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[SnakeSlashRO]

but not knowing the law IS a valid excuse... if you're a cop.

just ask the supreme court.

Yeah apparently it is.

 

[NobleGundam]

Gotta have that balanced breakfast first

 

[The Faceless Master]

Not siding with the cop, but, isnt it illegal to sleep in your car in random parking lots?

Isnt that reason alone to ask this guy to at least prove that he is staying in the hotel?

how are you not siding when you jump thru hoops and create a clearly implausible scenario based on the video of an awake individual eating oatmeal?

 

[akira28]

Annoying cop and I would be mad too but I can't understand most of the comments here either. Just getting rid of police would solve a lot of problems? You think racism will disappear then and violence against minorities will vanish? And I hope nobody saying this has to rely on police in the future. I don't have any specific solution to this problem but I guess demonizing every police officer (and there are certainly also good police officers) won't do the job. It's good that the media is so awarevif this problem but it shouldn't result in a war between police and citizens.

I'm having a really hard time imaging an instance where I would seriously have to rely on the police. The one time I did need help, they left me stranded in the middle of nowhere, not even calling a tow. Get robbed? First thing police will tell you are the chances against finding what was stolen and telling you your best chances are via insurance replacement. Someone actually threatening you with violence? The police need to be there, on the scene, or you're cooked. And depending on what you look like, you might be the actual target. (And the police may be the ones threatening you with the violence.) What are some other instances where I might need to rely on the police?

and they're right. No one said get rid of the police. Someone did say in response to someone else's reductio ad absurdum argument that getting rid of the police might actually solve more than we might think.

 

[R3TRO]

I remember I was sitting in my car in a parking lot talking on the phone and this happened to me. The cop walked up to my drivers window with her hand on her gun and told me to step out of my car and stand next to my trunk.

 

[_Nemo]

The fact that he stood there for 7 mins knocking on his window says a lot about how much free time he has on his hands. Dumbass literally has nothing else to do.

 

[Dice]

It's harassment. If he was being detained, this behavior would have been counted as not complying, and they would be able to force him to give them his info. Because they had no information on which to establish a detainment, they did not do that. They figure if they can harass a guy into giving them information "willingly" then it's not illegal, but it's actually harassment and they just aren't getting punished for it because they are the ones who enforce harassment laws.

 

[Enzom21]

Not siding with the cop, but, isnt it illegal to sleep in your car in random parking lots?

Isnt that reason alone to ask this guy to at least prove that he is staying in the hotel?

He was sleeping in his car? Did we watch the same video?

face it, even the detractors know that "better cops" is not a real solution and see 'no cops' as a more likely scenario.

I doubt that poster thinks our current LEOs are bad so to him, any criticism of police means "let's get rid of cops."

 

[water_wendi]

Not siding with the cop, but, isnt it illegal to sleep in your car in random parking lots?

Isnt that reason alone to ask this guy to at least prove that he is staying in the hotel?

Sounds like a motel lot so it would be private property. If the motel had called the police about someone sleeping in their lot (and i would get that because they are a business that sells places for people to sleep) then the cop probably would have said that and, more importantly, been completely justified afaik.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

He's lucky it was all-American oatmeal and not grits, could have been a wrap otherwise

 

[GameGuru59]

Not siding with the cop, but, isnt it illegal to sleep in your car in random parking lots?

Isnt that reason alone to ask this guy to at least prove that he is staying in the hotel?

They could have gone straight to the desk and ask the manager whose on duty if he was a guest, or if the manager wanted him there. Once they finally talked to the manager, there was no indication the manager wanted him off so they should have moved on at that point.

 

[NullPointer]

"We have an individual producing too much melanin in progress, please advise"

And if they're sexually active that could be interpreted as an intent to distribute.

 

[Messofanego]

if an officer in my state asks for an id, i have to show it. even if i have done nothing or he has no suspicion.

"If the person is not reasonably suspected of committing a crime, they are not required to provide identification, even in states with stop and identify statutes.

The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and requires any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

So, you don't have to show id unless if they have probable cause that you're suspected of committing a crime. No matter if you're in a stop and identify state. That's just one minute of me googling.

 

[KalBalboa]

YouTube version yet?

 

[LizardKing]

idd, you are right. i don't have to show my id. but i have to say my full name, bithdate and my adress if they ask. if i don't or they think i may lie they will bring me to the station or bring me to my adress and verify the data that i gave.

Also false.

"Stop and identify" statutes are statute laws in the United States that authorize police to legally obtain the identification of someone whom they reasonably suspect has committed a crime. If the person is not reasonably suspected of committing a crime, they are not required to provide identification, even in states with stop and identify statutes.

They can require it in a Terry stop but in a Terry stop.....

Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968) established that it is constitutionally permissible for police to temporarily detain a person based on reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed

They need reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed.

Edit: Whoops beaten.

 

[akira28]

Sounds like a motel lot so it would be private property. If the motel had called the police about someone sleeping in their lot (and i would get that because they are a business that sells places for people to sleep) then the cop probably would have said that and, more importantly, been completely justified afaik.

Way back when, when I didn't have a data plan on my phone, I would go by motels and use their free wi-fi to use web and get emails, etc. Police have a policy to check parked cars with drivers because those drivers might have drugs or prostitutes in their cars. That's what I was told. I know its part of some bullshit "broken windows" policy, mixed with profiling. And that the police can get away with just about anything as long as they have a plausible explanation, and know that people are afraid of their authority already.

but I know I don't hit the McD's dollar menu and park among the 40 other cars in the parking lot, on the way home after a late shift anymore. sitting on private property as a black man is suspicious activity. Of course you can introduce the unknown and less likely factor of the police actually being called by motel employees, but again, that's extremely unlikely. If anyone wants to argue it bring it.

 

[Jenenser]

He was sleeping in his car? Did we watch the same video?


I doubt that poster thinks our current LEOs are bad so to him, any criticism of police means "let's get rid of cops."

not true. the current american policeforce is in no way free of any critcism.
but i seriously get agravated if people judge a whole group by their blackest sheep. (and yes, the racial pun is intendet so you see where my problem lies)
i refuse to portray every one that is black as a gettothug. i do the same for cops. (or every other group, as i learned long enough that u can't judge a whole group by its most negative picture.)
else I for example would still be judged as a nazi (most negative german portrayal there is)

fuck i remember a thread on this board where a black cop was so destroyed because of all the shit that is/was going on that he had a mental breakdown. all he was trying to do was helping people. as a thanks he gets shat on by everyone without him doing anything wrong.

Also false.

im german, we have other laws.

 

[bobawesome]

I'm calling fake on this whole thing.

Nobody would willingly eat oatmeal.

 

[Enzom21]

not true. the current american policeforce is in no way free of any critcism.
but i seriously get agravated if people judge a whole group by their blackest sheep. (and yes, the racial pun is intendet so you see where my problem lies)

Are you seriously comparing being a cop to being black?

Edit: You live in Germany? What the fuck do you know about dealing with American cops?

 

[Derwind]

ITT: To avoid your rights being abused, comply when your rights are abused.

 

[Messofanego]

im german, we have other laws.

It says here that Germany is one of the only countries in the world that has obligation of identification, or you get fined 5000 Euros (welp, so dumb). It was introduced by Nazis towards Jews...

But we're talking about USA here, so all your previous points regarding obligation were pointless.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

This is great. Would have ended differently without a phone probably.

 

[EatinOlives]

nope. so it seems ive lit a fire. so let me ask this, do all of you who quoted me deny every request a cop makes every time you have come in contact with one? maybe not to extent of the dude in the video, but when a cop pulls you over and asks for an ID, do you tell him no? just for the sake of not violating your rights? I must have skipped the part in life where everyone else was taught to not talk to the police because fuck them. i understand that they are under the spotlight due to recent events, but whats also seemed to surface a lot more is people behind a camera acting like assholes in front of police. maybe its just me, but whenever i come in contact with police i act like a normal person. and my skin is brown, for whatever thats worth because judging by some of the posts here it seems like that is one of justifications for videos like this.

He wasn't "pulled over". He was sitting in his parked car in the lot of the hotel, eating. The cop randomly shows up, flashes a light on him, and demands to see his ID, what room he's staying at in this hotel, etc. etc. The cop isn't telling him why he's asking those questions because they both know what he's doing is illegal. Both the cops leave him along after they talked to the front desk guy most likely because he actually was staying there. So he's literally doing nothing wrong, but is approached and harassed because he was sitting in a parked car in a hotel he's staying at while black.

And to answer your question, yes the general rule of thumb is that you don't talk to the police. This is the part in life you skipped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

 

[Jenenser]

Are you seriously comparing being a cop to being black?

Edit: You live in Germany? What the fuck do you know about dealing with American cops?

well, probably more about the cops in germany as we have a thread every day about them on this board?

and no i am saying brushing a whole group with the same brush is wrong. be it ethnisity, religion, job or age. it doesn't matter. its just taking the easy route without aplying any critical thinking.

It says here that Germany is one of the only countries in the world that has obligation of identification, or you get fined 5000 Euros (welp, so dumb). It was introduced by Nazis towards Jews...

But we're talking about USA here, so all your previous points regarding obligation were pointless.

im just saying that its the law here and no one seen a reason to change it. but our cops aren't even nearly as intrusive as the american ones.

and yes, i already had problems and confrontations with german cops. (they picked me up with about 4 grams of weed for example)
the difference is, they handled me respectfuly (even after they found the weed) and i didn't even had a process because of it. (a judge can decide that if you have less than 6 grams with you, its for private consum and no other problem will follow. the charges where dropped)

 

[akira28]

not true. the current american policeforce is in no way free of any critcism.
but i seriously get agravated if people judge a whole group by their blackest sheep. (and yes, the racial pun is intendet so you see where my problem lies)

fuck i remember a thread on this board where a black cop was so destroyed because of all the shit that is/was going on that he had a mental breakdown. all he was trying to do was helping people. as a thanks he gets shat on by everyone without him doing anything wrong.


im german, we have other laws.

you know what a black cop told me? be careful for my life, and never trust a police officer to be there to help me. So how should I "judge" the whole group? Altruistically and optimistically with the ideas of the smiling "Officer Friendly" character from childhood? (I'd still probably trust McGruff) Or realistically? Treat every officer like a prince until I meet a bad cop? Or realize that an unacceptable percentage of police are outright horrible, and a larger percentage than that are bad to mediocre and probably shouldn't be police?

the system is fundamentally flawed and too expensive and wide spread for anyone to want to speak up and take the issue on. Even the fucking President can only creep around the corners of the issue, and generally refer to "incidents of the past" that "we all know about". And he's the fucking President, already elected, but can't even speak plainly. From slave catchers to city watchmen to organized and deputized officers, there has always been a problem that went on ignored because a large part of policing had to do with 'judging whole groups' and, most importantly, having a body to hold accountable in court. And it goes on ignored, because that's not only part of the business, it is the business. Copping or grabbing people and proving they did it. And only today we're paying attention to all the wrong and all the lies told? After how many years? And you're worried about people being unfair to the police?

 

[MHWilliams]

not true. the current american policeforce is in no way free of any critcism.
but i seriously get agravated if people judge a whole group by their blackest sheep. (and yes, the racial pun is intendet so you see where my problem lies)
i refuse to portray every one that is black as a gettothug. i do the same for cops. (or every other group, as i learned long enough that u can't judge a whole group by its most negative picture.)
else I for example would still be judged as a nazi (most negative german portrayal there is)

fuck i remember a thread on this board where a black cop was so destroyed because of all the shit that is/was going on that he had a mental breakdown. all he was trying to do was helping people. as a thanks he gets shat on by everyone without him doing anything wrong.

Via another black former officer. How timely.

On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

That's a theory from my friend K.L. Williams, who has trained thousands of officers around the country in use of force. Based on what I experienced as a black man serving in the St. Louis Police Department for five years, I agree with him. I worked with men and women who became cops for all the right reasons — they really wanted to help make their communities better. And I worked with people like the president of my police academy class, who sent out an email after President Obama won the 2008 election that included the statement, "I can't believe I live in a country full of ni**er lovers!!!!!!!!" He patrolled the streets in St. Louis in a number of black communities with the authority to act under the color of law.

That remaining 70 percent of officers are highly susceptible to the culture in a given department. In the absence of any real effort to challenge department cultures, they become part of the problem. If their command ranks are racist or allow institutional racism to persist, or if a number of officers in their department are racist, they may end up doing terrible things.

It is not only white officers who abuse their authority. The effect of institutional racism is such that no matter what color the officer abusing the citizen is, in the vast majority of those cases of abuse that citizen will be black or brown. That is what is allowed.

 

[J10]

well, probably more about the cops in germany as we have a thread every day about them on this board?

and no i am saying brushing a whole group with the same brush is wrong. be it ethnisity, religion, job or age. it doesn't matter. its just taking the easy route without aplying any critical thinking.

It's not wrong in this case. American law enforcement is garbage. That's a fact supported by evidence - studies and statistics compiled across decades. The institution is corrupt and anybody who joins it is complicit in that corruption.

 

[akira28]

well, probably more about the cops in germany as we have a thread every day about them on this board?

and no i am saying brushing a whole group with the same brush is wrong. be it ethnisity, religion, job or age. it doesn't matter. its just taking the easy route without aplying any critical thinking.

lol, you mean like applying a platitude about general fairness to all facets of life, but especially the police this time? easy route without applying critical thinking you said?

 

[Jenenser]

And you're worried about people being unfair to the police?

i am worried that people stop critical thinking. nothing less. nothing more. i try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

 

[akira28]

kudos

while you're excusing bad actors with the benefits of your doubt, people are facing some real shit, thanks to you and others like you not wanting to "think mean thoughts."

 

[zeemumu]

It's the knocking of the tell-tale cop

 

[Warm Machine]

Hate be this guy, but a Motel parking lot is private property. We don't know if the cops simply spotted this guy and rolled up or that motel phoned the cops thinking someone was loitering. A hotel parking lot is a pretty sweet place to crash.

It stands to reason that if you have a room at the motel you are unlikely to be hanging out in your car. The video also has no time stamp on it so it could be 7:00pm or 5:00am or anywhere in between. Yeah, all being well the guy is totally within his rights and the cops didn't handle this very well.

I totally understand why you wouldn't give the cops your room number lest they pass the info on to another unit and decide to bust into it later and kick the shit out of you on suspicion of weapons or something.

The cop here was a total D-bag. He could have ended the whole thing faster himself simply be stating his intentions instead of waiting for the guy in the car to state his. I don't get why the whole reasoning is so damn secretive. If it is loitering do you actually need an arrest or just to get the guy off the property? Seems like this cop was fishing for an arrest to make himself feel good.

 

[water_wendi]

Way back when, when I didn't have a data plan on my phone, I would go by motels and use their free wi-fi to use web and get emails, etc. Police have a policy to check parked cars with drivers because those drivers might have drugs or prostitutes in their cars. That's what I was told. I know its part of some bullshit "broken windows" policy, mixed with profiling. And that the police can get away with just about anything as long as they have a plausible explanation, and know that people are afraid of their authority already.

This could have been the case here but its doubtful because the cop didnt say this.

but I know I don't hit the McD's dollar menu and park among the 40 other cars in the parking lot, on the way home after a late shift anymore. sitting on private property as a black man is suspicious activity. Of course you can introduce the unknown and less likely factor of the police actually being called by motel employees, but again, that's extremely unlikely. If anyone wants to argue it bring it.

Yea shit like that is everywhere.

 

[NobleGundam]

I'm calling fake on this whole thing.

Nobody would willingly eat oatmeal with raisins.

Fixed

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

but not knowing the law IS a valid excuse... if you're a cop.

just ask the supreme court.

Well, shit.

 

[commedieu]

Hate be this guy, but a Motel parking lot is private property. We don't know if the cops simply spotted this guy and rolled up or that motel phoned the cops thinking someone was loitering. A hotel parking lot is a pretty sweet place to crash.

It stands to reason that if you have a room at the motel you are unlikely to be hanging out in your car. The video also has no time stamp on it so it could be 7:00pm or 5:00am or anywhere in between. Yeah, all being well the guy is totally within his rights and the cops didn't handle this very well.

I totally understand why you wouldn't give the cops your room number lest they pass the info on to another unit and decide to bust into it later and kick the shit out of you on suspicion of weapons or something.

The cop here was a total D-bag. He could have ended the whole thing faster himself simply be stating his intentions instead of waiting for the guy in the car to state his. I don't get why the whole reasoning is so damn secretive. If it is loitering do you actually need an arrest or just to get the guy off the property? Seems like this cop was fishing for an arrest to make himself feel good.

We know for a fact he didn't break any laws, as he wasn't arrested or detained. The last paragraph of your post is dead on, and the only thing of real value. The guy had nothing to do with the cops lack of any reasoning or law to arrest/detain/question. Nothing the guy did had anything to do with the cop being a total D-bag. Instead of just pasting the last paragraph, yep, had to be that guy that is painting a scenario where its understandable for the outcome of your last paragraph.

No need for painting mate. If there was a violation, you best believe he would have been dragged out of that car.

 

[akira28]

Hate be this guy, but a Motel parking lot is private property. We don't know if the cops simply spotted this guy and rolled up or that motel phoned the cops thinking someone was loitering. A hotel parking lot is a pretty sweet place to crash.

It stands to reason that if you have a room at the motel you are unlikely to be hanging out in your car. The video also has no time stamp on it so it could be 7:00pm or 5:00am or anywhere in between. Yeah, all being well the guy is totally within his rights and the cops didn't handle this very well.

I totally understand why you wouldn't give the cops your room number lest they pass the info on to another unit and decide to bust into it later and kick the shit out of you on suspicion of weapons or something.

The cop here was a total D-bag. He could have ended the whole thing faster himself simply be stating his intentions instead of waiting for the guy in the car to state his. I don't get why the whole reasoning is so damn secretive. If it is loitering do you actually need an arrest or just to get the guy off the property? Seems like this cop was fishing for an arrest to make himself feel good.

As someone who has spent time sharing motel rooms on the road, lots of times the only place you get privacy is the car. So it doesn't stand to reason at all.

 

[Jenenser]

It's not wrong in this case. American law enforcement is garbage. That's a fact supported by evidence - studies and statistics compiled across decades. The institution is corrupt and anybody who joins it is complicit in that corruption.

well than, what would be the solution to the problems?

 

[Warm Machine]

As someone who has spent time sharing motel rooms on the road, lots of times the only place you get privacy is the car. So it doesn't stand to reason at all.

How do you know he is sharing a motel room again?

 

[akira28]

How do you know he is sharing a motel room again?

Is that a question for you to ask? Or for the policeman to ask, unsolicited?

 

[jett]

This cop must've been on a tight-ass deadline to deliver his quota.

 

[adamsappel]

Good on that citizen for asserting his rights.

 

[overcast]

Holy shit he keeps knocking, it's a method I would use when I argued with my brothers when I was 9.

 

[J10]

well than, what would be the solution to the problems?

There is none. Stay the fuck away from cops until you hopefully die of natural causes. Go to work, pay your taxes, come home to your family, and pray you don't fit a description along the way.

 

[nib95]

That was pretty funny. Can't believe the officer childishly just kept knocking on his window for what seemed like forever lol.

 

[John Kowalski]

So this oatmeal thing sounds pretty good.

 

[hobblygobbly]

Lol this is bizarre and I'm sceptical about it, calling BS on this for now.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

Lol this is bizarre and I'm sceptical about it, calling BS on this for now.

On what part, exactly? It would be pretty impressive to fake this entire thing...

 

[akira28]

That was pretty funny. Can't believe the officer childishly just kept knocking on his window for what seemed like forever lol.

it's literally all he had. That and his self respect. If he had gone through the trouble of asking the black man, and having been ignored, walked away with his tail between his legs, he could never look himself in the mirror again. His very essence as an officer of the law was being challenged here. So all he could do was annoy the shit out of the driver, hoping to get any kind of reaction.

So this oatmeal thing sounds pretty good.

cinnamon, butter, brown sugar, sliced apples, and raisins so plump and moist you may as well call them elder grapes.

 

[Warm Machine]

Is that a question for you to ask? Or for the policeman to ask, unsolicited?

You invented the reason outside the context of the video we saw. Just like the cops annoying the poor guy has an unknown reason attached to it that is also outside the context of the video. Shit we will never know since we don't have all the facts about the hows and whys of the incident. We actually don't even have an ending to this video.

I want to believe the guy is being harassed without reason as much as I want to believe that the cops had an actual reason to be there. If it were me there I'd hope that the cops would do a WAY better job at explaining to me what was going on, like maybe starting with "Do you realize you are loitering on private property?" Instead of the show me who you are and I'll then I'll tell you why I'm antagonizing you.

I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt here.