No fucks given: Black man continues to eat oatmeal as cop repeatedly knocks on window

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Annoying cop and I would be mad too but I can't understand most of the comments here either. Just getting rid of police would solve a lot of problems? You think racism will disappear then and violence against minorities will vanish? And I hope nobody saying this has to rely on police in the future. I don't have any specific solution to this problem but I guess demonizing every police officer (and there are certainly also good police officers) won't do the job. It's good that the media is so awarevif this problem but it shouldn't result in a war between police and citizens.

I don't actually think that sentiment was a major factor of what people have been saying. At most it was one person who even suggested that some things would be better if the cops weren't around.

Most of the comments are actually about how cops shouldn't abuse their power, which isn't quite as interesting a focus as a call for complete anarchy, right?
 
On what part, exactly? It would be pretty impressive to fake this entire thing...

he survived to upload the video.
/really dark joke, but i couldn't stop myself. sry and if i crossed a line goodbye my friends, was nice knowing you

cinnamon, butter, brown sugar, sliced apples, and raisins so plump and moist you may as well call them elder grapes.

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You invented the reason outside the context of the video we saw. Just like the cops annoying the poor guy has an unknown reason attached to it that is also outside the context of the video. Shit we will never know since we don't have all the facts about the hows and whys of the incident. We actually don't even have an ending to this video.

I want to believe the guy is being harassed without reason as much as I want to believe that the cops had an actual reason to be there. If it were me there I'd hope that the cops would do a WAY better job at explaining to me what was going on, like maybe starting with "Do you realize you are loitering on private property?" Instead of the show me who you are and I'll then I'll tell you why I'm antagonizing you.

I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt here.

Sounds like something I'd get some help with. Cognitive dissonance of that kind leads to all sorts of different complexes. Are you implying that you imagine yourself as some kind of impartial judge?

I invented the situation, just like the officer does? Well yeah I can accuse him of legally hanging out in his car. Yes sometimes people do illegal things in parked cars. The problem is you can not just go up to people and accuse them of things, or interdict them and fish for offenses and claim to be living in a free nation. I don't need the benefit of the doubt or to give any, I'm the guy in the car. I already live under those conditions.
 
Sounds like something I'd get some help with. Cognitive dissonance of that kind leads to all sorts of different complexes. Are you implying that you imagine yourself as some kind of impartial judge?

I invented the situation, just like the officer does? Well yeah I can accuse him of legally hanging out in his car. Yes sometimes people do illegal things in parked cars. The problem is you can not just go up to people and accuse them of things, or interdict them and fish for offenses and claim to be living in a free nation. I don't need the benefit of the doubt or to give any, I'm the guy in the car. I already live under those conditions.

You do realize that the guy being within his rights and the police believing they have cause to be there don't contradict anything right?

A person hanging out in their car on private property is illegal. I can't park my car in a mall parking lot at 2:00am and do whatever I want. If a cop comes up to me and tells me I'm not supposed to be there they are actually right and they are well within their rights to arrest me for it.
 
well, probably more about the cops in germany as we have a thread every day about them on this board?
Threads on GAF? Well then you must be a goddamn expert on our cops then.

and no i am saying brushing a whole group with the same brush is wrong. be it ethnisity, religion, job or age. it doesn't matter. its just taking the easy route without aplying any critical thinking.

A chosen profession isn't remotely the same as someone's ethnicity.
 
I'm having a really hard time imaging an instance where I would seriously have to rely on the police. The one time I did need help, they left me stranded in the middle of nowhere, not even calling a tow. Get robbed? First thing police will tell you are the chances against finding what was stolen and telling you your best chances are via insurance replacement. Someone actually threatening you with violence? The police need to be there, on the scene, or you're cooked. And depending on what you look like, you might be the actual target. (And the police may be the ones threatening you with the violence.) What are some other instances where I might need to rely on the police?

and they're right. No one said get rid of the police. Someone did say in response to someone else's reductio ad absurdum argument that getting rid of the police might actually solve more than we might think.

That's not what I'm saying. I don't think that anyone actually said "get rid of the police". You said that getting rid of the police would solve those police violence problems. Yeah, but the problem is not the police itself, these racist scumbags working as officers are the problem and just by getting rid of the police (and I know that this does not literally mean to get rid them) you're not getting rid of these people. There will always be violence against minorities as long as those people exist whether there is a police or not. This is no excuse for police violence though. I'm just trying to say that this problem goes much deeper. There are so many people downplaying the violence of racist officers...I mean thus is just sad.

If you can't think of any specific use of the police - good for you. But there are plenty of people who need their help, even minorities. Once the police helped me in a very personal and shitty situation and I'm really thankful that they didn'screw me up for that. There are good officers out there, which does not mean to forget about the racist ones, but generalising is not useful either.

Apart from that: is there any serious debate going on in the US about changing something concerning the training of the police or something general concerning that problem? I could bet that there isn't but maybe some attempts?
 
You invented the reason outside the context of the video we saw. Just like the cops annoying the poor guy has an unknown reason attached to it that is also outside the context of the video. Shit we will never know since we don't have all the facts about the hows and whys of the incident. We actually don't even have an ending to this video.

I want to believe the guy is being harassed without reason as much as I want to believe that the cops had an actual reason to be there. If it were me there I'd hope that the cops would do a WAY better job at explaining to me what was going on, like maybe starting with "Do you realize you are loitering on private property?" Instead of the show me who you are and I'll then I'll tell you why I'm antagonizing you.

I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt here.

So even though the man declared that he was staying at the motel, and the cop refused to declare anything with respect to his intentions, it's only fair to treat them with equal benefit of the doubt?

The most logical conclusion is that we assume good faith in the civilian, and assume bad faith in the cop, because the cop was unwilling to relay important information to the civilian.
 
That's not what I'm saying. I don't think that anyone actually said "get rid of the police". You said that getting rid of the police would solve those police violence problems. Yeah, but the problem is not the police itself, these racist scumbags working as officers are the problem and just by getting rid of the police (and I know that this does not literally mean to get rid them) you're not getting rid of these people. There will always be violence against minorities as long as those people exist whether there is a police or not. This is no excuse for police violence though. I'm just trying to say that this problem goes much deeper. There are so many people downplaying the violence of racist officers...I mean thus is just sad.

If you can't think of any specific use of the police - good for you. But there are plenty of people who need their help, even minorities. Once the police helped me in a very personal and shitty situation and I'm really thankful that they didn'screw me up for that. There are good officers out there, which does not mean to forget about the racist ones, but generalising is not useful either.

Apart from that: is there any serious debate going on in the US about changing something concerning the training of the police or something general concerning that problem? I could bet that there isn't but maybe some attempts?
Don't forget the "good" cops who protect, excuse or turn a blind eye to the actions of the bad cops. Getting rid of bad cops isn't as easy as you think. It is especially hard when a large number of citizens don't care about the people being abused by cops.
 
Apart from that: is there any serious debate going on in the US about changing something concerning the training of the police or something general concerning that problem? I could bet that there isn't but maybe some attempts?

this thread is the most serious debate going on in this country right now.

Plus a lot of black folks are buying more guns and getting into community self-defense.
 
So even though the man declared that he was staying at the motel, and the cop refused to declare anything with respect to his intentions, it's only fair to treat them with equal benefit of the doubt?

The most logical conclusion is that we assume good faith in the civilian, and assume bad faith in the cop, because the cop was unwilling to relay important information to the civilian.

Part 1. The video doesn't give intention of the cops because they are way too stupid to relay that information. That doesn't mean they didn't have intention it just means they are really bad communicators.

Part 2. I totally agree.
 
Part 1. The video doesn't give intention of the cops because they are way too stupid to relay that information. That doesn't mean they didn't have intention it just means they are really bad communicators.

Part 2. I totally agree.

Where are you getting this information? What indicates to you that it was stupidity and not dishonesty? You talk about pulling things from midair, but then you speculate that the cop is just not smart.
 
There's no stop-and-identify laws in Virginia. He was in the clear.



Who said anything about getting rid of cops? There's a wide gulf between that and "You have to do everything a police officer says."

To be clear, even if there was a stop-and-identify law in VA, he still would not have had to display ID.

Being black is not reasonable suspicion.
Anymore.

One thing the guy did wrong was not ask name and badge number, which LEOs are typically required to give when on duty.
 
Where are you getting this information? What indicates to you that it was stupidity and not dishonesty? You talk about pulling things from midair, but then you speculate that the cop is just not smart.

Sure, lets go around and around. I personally think the cop is stupid for not simply stating why he was antagonizing the guy in the car. The whole matter could have been resolved in 3 minutes had the cop stated why they were there.
 
Sure, lets go around and around. I personally think the cop is stupid for not simply stating why he was antagonizing the guy in the car. The whole matter could have been resolved in 3 minutes had the cop stated why they were there.

I bet 911 call from hotel clerk "black man sitting outside in his car, does not look like a guest." -Reasonable suspicion of trespassing?
 
Don't forget the "good" cops who protect, excuse or turn a blind eye to the actions of the bad cops. Getting rid of bad cops isn't as easy as you think. It is especially hard when a large number of citizens don't care about the people being abused by cops.

Yeah, I know. Maybe there won't be a change ever at all because of this large number of citizens not caring. Mankind never changes which sucks badly.
 
nope. so it seems ive lit a fire. so let me ask this, do all of you who quoted me deny every request a cop makes every time you have come in contact with one? maybe not to extent of the dude in the video, but when a cop pulls you over and asks for an ID, do you tell him no? just for the sake of not violating your rights? I must have skipped the part in life where everyone else was taught to not talk to the police because fuck them. i understand that they are under the spotlight due to recent events, but whats also seemed to surface a lot more is people behind a camera acting like assholes in front of police. maybe its just me, but whenever i come in contact with police i act like a normal person. and my skin is brown, for whatever thats worth because judging by some of the posts here it seems like that is one of justifications for videos like this.

How recent is recent to you exactly?
 
There's no real scenario where you can defend the cop here. A fucking 4 minute window knocking session is just a frustrated, angsty ass cop pulling some childish ass power play because he wasn't treated with the respect he frankly didn't deserve given the bullshit reason he decided to harass the man for.
 
Sure, lets go around and around. I personally think the cop is stupid for not simply stating why he was antagonizing the guy in the car. The whole matter could have been resolved in 3 minutes had the cop stated why they were there.

And how can you know it was stupidity and not dishonesty? I'd venture to say that there are more cops who are dishonest than ones who are flat-out not intelligent.
 
Sure, lets go around and around. I personally think the cop is stupid for not simply stating why he was antagonizing the guy in the car. The whole matter could have been resolved in 3 minutes had the cop stated why they were there.

The officer told him the reason that he was talking to him was because he was on the lot and he didn't know if he had a room or not
 
That's not what I'm saying. I don't think that anyone actually said "get rid of the police". You said that getting rid of the police would solve those police violence problems. Yeah, but the problem is not the police itself, these racist scumbags working as officers are the problem and just by getting rid of the police (and I know that this does not literally mean to get rid them) you're not getting rid of these people. There will always be violence against minorities as long as those people exist whether there is a police or not. This is no excuse for police violence though. I'm just trying to say that this problem goes much deeper. There are so many people downplaying the violence of racist officers...I mean thus is just sad.

If you can't think of any specific use of the police - good for you. But there are plenty of people who need their help, even minorities. Once the police helped me in a very personal and shitty situation and I'm really thankful that they didn'screw me up for that. There are good officers out there, which does not mean to forget about the racist ones, but generalising is not useful either.

Apart from that: is there any serious debate going on in the US about changing something concerning the training of the police or something general concerning that problem? I could bet that there isn't but maybe some attempts?

honestly, the problem isn't the racist scumbags. there will always be racist scumbags. the problem is the other people, the so called 'good cops' that protect these racist scumbags instead of getting rid of them.

and yet we can pull up all sorts of stories about the real and true good cops that get ostracized sidelined and forced out for doing the right thing #yesallpigs
 
nope. so it seems ive lit a fire. so let me ask this, do all of you who quoted me deny every request a cop makes every time you have come in contact with one? maybe not to extent of the dude in the video, but when a cop pulls you over and asks for an ID, do you tell him no? just for the sake of not violating your rights? I must have skipped the part in life where everyone else was taught to not talk to the police because fuck them. i understand that they are under the spotlight due to recent events, but whats also seemed to surface a lot more is people behind a camera acting like assholes in front of police. maybe its just me, but whenever i come in contact with police i act like a normal person. and my skin is brown, for whatever thats worth because judging by some of the posts here it seems like that is one of justifications for videos like this.

Dude, the guy in this video has almost certainly dealt with a cop profiling him at least a dozen times in the course of his life. The man has clearly had enough and did nothing wrong in being obstinate toward a cop that wanted to interrogate him for the "suspicious" action of sitting in a car in a parking lot while black.
There's nothing that makes black people angrier than being fucked with by police while we're minding our own and not causing anyone or anything a lick of trouble.
 
The rate at which these stories continue to pop up is insane. Are we going to see any meaningful law enforcement reform in our lifetimes? There should be zero tolerance for abuse of authority/harassment, and I'd go as far as saying that offenders should be prohibited from ever rejoining the force in any state. I know body cams are controversial, but between those and some kind of zero tolerance policy I would hope these power tripping assholes would think twice about their actions. I need to go find that Cincinnati cop thread in hopes that there's something positive happening somewhere.
 
is this type of behavior accepted by most people? pull out a camera and start acting like a fucking juvenile jack ass in front of cops? what is the purpose of with holding his id card? or answering which room hes staying in? could have probably be done with it in a few minutes if he had complied. instead he turns on a camera to record his bullshit so he can show world star how legit he is.

he was a paying customer in the parking lot of a hotel he was staying. He was doing nothing wrong and there really isn't a reason for the cop to approach him and request that information.
 
The rate at which these stories continue to pop up is insane. Are we going to see any meaningful law enforcement reform in our lifetimes? There should be zero tolerance for abuse of authority/harassment, and I'd go as far as saying that offenders should be prohibited from ever rejoining the force in any state. I know body cams are controversial, but between those and some kind of zero tolerance policy I would hope these power tripping assholes would think twice about their actions. I need to go find that Cincinnati cop thread in hopes that there's something positive happening somewhere.

As long as stupid ass juries get these shitbags off I don't see any legitimate change happening. If the cop busted the guy's window, beat the shit out of him and arrested him, unfortunately I don't think there's a jury in the country that would've sent his ass to jail. He was too obstinate and disrespectful. He said he was armed. Hes black. Suzy homemaker that spoke on her feelings being a trayvon juror would likewise have seen this dude as a threat that didn't identify himself and justified the cop's actions. Having the word of the law on your side isn't the same as having the law on your side. I applaud dude and I'm glad he's safe.
 
he was a paying customer in the parking lot of a hotel he was staying. He was doing nothing wrong and there really isn't a reason for the cop to approach him and request that information.

And the cop knew that, which is why he didn't do shiiiiiiiiiiiiit and just walked away holding his L.
 
Threads on GAF? Well then you must be a goddamn expert on our cops then.

A chosen profession isn't remotely the same as someone's ethnicity.

it isn't. but it doesn't matter.

brushing a whole group of people with the same stigma is. thats where my problem lies.

we are not talking about groups like the KKK or WaffenSS. if you become a cop you don't make an oath to bully the weak and kill minoritys.

the problem is ofc a job like that is a magnet for assholes and psychopaths. but thats another problem.

and btw. i am also not a programmer, am i not allowed to say a game is bad?
i am no musitian. am i not allowed to judge good or bad music?
the notion "you are not from here" is pretty stiupid when i've get more confrontation with stuff that american cops do than with the german ones.
 
The only reason to knock that long is if you're trying to provoke someone into attacking you.

That cop is a piece of shit.
 
it isn't. but it doesn't matter.

brushing a whole group of people with the same stigma is. thats where my problem lies.

we are not talking about groups like the KKK or WaffenSS. if you become a cop you don't make an oath to bully the weak and kill minoritys.

the problem is ofc a job like that is a magnet for assholes and psychopaths. but thats another problem.

and btw. i am also not a programmer, am i not allowed to say a game is bad?
i am no musitian. am i not allowed to judge good or bad music?
the notion "you are not from here" is pretty stiupid when i've get more confrontation with stuff that american cops do than with the german ones.

If you only read about a game, you're not allowed to judge its quality. Similarly, if you've not experienced American police, you can't really discuss American police.
 
Like a fucking boss, takes some balls to do that after everything that's happened. Good on him.
 
it isn't. but it doesn't matter.

brushing a whole group of people with the same stigma is. thats where my problem lies.

we are not talking about groups like the KKK or WaffenSS. if you become a cop you don't make an oath to bully the weak and kill minoritys.

the problem is ofc a job like that is a magnet for assholes and psychopaths. but thats another problem.

and btw. i am also not a programmer, am i not allowed to say a game is bad?
i am no musitian. am i not allowed to judge good or bad music?
the notion "you are not from here" is pretty stiupid when i've get more confrontation with stuff that american cops do than with the german ones.

We can paint police with a broad stroke because American law enforcement is a corrupt institution and people know what they are joining when they become police. If they don't want to be seen in the same light as the bad cops, they can either stop being cops or try to change the shitty law enforcement system.

I didn't say you couldn't discuss American cops. The problem is, you have been doing more than just discussing American cops haven't you?

You came in here telling people how they should or shouldn't behave when dealing with American cops. Don't act like you're some sort of authority on our cops when all you have done is read about them.
 
"You got any weapons?"

"Plenty. Dozens of them"

#dead

What a troll, it's beautiful. Cop going full douchebag.
 
If you only read about a game, you're not allowed to judge its quality. Similarly, if you've not experienced American police, you can't really discuss American police.

erm, thats not really how it works. we all judge the games we wanna buy trough seeing them/reading them. and we base the quality of the game on what we see and read. ofc its allowed to judge it. the only thing in question is if your judgement is right.

i was also never theistic, am i not alowwed to judge if there is a god or not?

and i say it again. i probably have more confrontation with american police than with the german one. as news of their misbehaviour and incompetence is there every day. (not only on this forum)

and i am not even defending the cop on 1 point in this thread as he didn't deescalate anything and handled it incompetent.

doesn't change the fact that i won't start calling them out for all beeing the same.
 
is this type of behavior accepted by most people? pull out a camera and start acting like a fucking juvenile jack ass in front of cops? what is the purpose of with holding his id card? or answering which room hes staying in? could have probably be done with it in a few minutes if he had complied. instead he turns on a camera to record his bullshit so he can show world star how legit he is.

You're not obligated to talk to a cop for any reason unless they are detaining you. Cops like to go on fishing trips in hopes of catching you slipping up so they have a reason to detain you. Best thing to do is be polite and say "Am I being detained?" "Am I free to go?" and don't say anything else.
 
erm, thats not really how it works. we all judge the games we wanna buy trough seeing them/reading them. and we base the quality of the game on what we see and read. ofc its allowed to judge it. the only thing in question is if your judgement is right.

i was also never theistic, am i not alowwed to judge if there is a god or not?

and i say it again. i probably have more confrontation with american police than with the german one. as news of their misbehaviour and incompetence is there every day. (not only on this forum)

and i am not even defending the cop on 1 point in this thread as he didn't deescalate anything and handled it incompetent.

doesn't change the fact that i won't start calling them out for all beeing the same.

Didn't you come into this thread and try to tell people what they should or shouldn't be doing when dealing with American cops?
Who gives a shit if you know more about American cops than you do about your own.
Don't tell people how to handle situations with cops in this country when you haven't dealt with them yourself.
 
Didn't you come into this thread and try to tell people what they should or shouldn't be doing when dealing with American cops?
Who gives a shit if you know more about American cops than you do about your own.
Don't tell people how to handle situations with cops in this country when you haven't dealt with them yourself.

know what, this is gettin stiupid and derailing. im out, lets finish this in pmform...
 
erm, thats not really how it works. we all judge the games we wanna buy trough seeing them/reading them. and we base the quality of the game on what we see and read. ofc its allowed to judge it. the only thing in question is if your judgement is right.

and i say it again. i probably have more confrontation with american police than with the german one. as news of their misbehaviour and incompetence is there every day. (not only on this forum)

and i am not even defending the cop on 1 point in this thread as he didn't deescalate anything and handled it incompetent.

doesn't change the fact that i won't start calling them out for all beeing the same.

this is why you've been barking up the wrong tree since you first posted in this thread. Because no one has done this. You're here trying to be the arbiter of fairness and guess what? That's completely useless. We don't need you, here, doing that. You can volunteer your time, sure. But coming in to act like a school mom to remind us all to be kind and that not all cops are corrupt or unqualified; because even though we have 200+ years of knowledge to draw on, to know the probability of unwanted attention or worse, you can't stand the sight of what you in Germany deem as 'unfair generalizations'. Thanks but that's not helpful to the discussion, the debate, or the issue. I'd say on your bike, but that's up to you. So instead I'll suggest that you make better use of your time.

i didn't tell anyone how to handle a situation.
i said i wouldn't paint a whole group with the same brush. thats it. but ofc, that isn't even allowed.

no one is stopping you dude. what's your 'great cause' here?
 
it's literally all he had. That and his self respect. If he had gone through the trouble of asking the black man, and having been ignored, walked away with his tail between his legs, he could never look himself in the mirror again. His very essence as an officer of the law was being challenged here. So all he could do was annoy the shit out of the driver, hoping to get any kind of reaction.


orrr, you know, he was trying to do his job.

smh at people cheering for this childishness.

"yeah, show 'em how it's done!" smh.
 
this is why you've been barking up the wrong tree since you first posted in this thread. Because no one has done this. You're here trying to be the arbiter of fairness and guess what? That's completely useless. We don't need you, here, doing that. You can volunteer your time, sure. But coming in to act like a school mom to remind us all to be kind and that not all cops are corrupt or unqualified; because even though we have 200+ years of knowledge to draw on, to know the probability of unwanted attention or worse, you can't stand the sight of what you in Germany deem as 'unfair generalizations'. Thanks but that's not helpful to the discussion, the debate, or the issue. I'd say on your bike, but that's up to you. So instead I'll suggest that you make better use of your time.
oh no one?
Fuck cops.

guess how close i am to the cops, pretty damned close, and I still say fuck cops. Be a good cop that's a part of a fucked up system and pretend you're not contributing to the problem, brehs. before they even come at me.

#allcopsarepigs isnt helpfull either. thats the thing u don't get.



so, i am alowed to talk in this thread but everything i say is ignored because you made up your mind on everything.
why even be on a discussionboard if you just wanna reinforce your own opinion/agenda...
 
"read the second part?" - Dr who

since you brought that up, yeah i stand by it. That's how I feel. And good cops who still support the blue wall are still part of the problem. but no one said all cops are pigs, so you're still barking up the wrong tree. But at least now we know what your beef is. The police really don't need you to stick up for them.
 
believe it or not, it's not the police officer's job to ask random black people why they're there.

oh please. knocking on the car window is now grounds to bring up the "oh he's black".

and no, i am not oblivious to the issues today, but every cop encounter is labeled racially-charged that it's ridiculous.
 
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