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No Man's Sky dev says 8K visuals on PS5 Pro version "completely reset my world view", believing 8K will be much more mainstream by the PS6 era
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
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The computational power to run 8K is staggering compared to 4K60, which is already staggering compared to the plethora of 1080p games we're seeing on the PS5.
Effectively you need a 4080 to run PS4 titles at 4K60 - see God Of War Ragnarok benchmarks, 4K ultra native. Which seems bonkers to require such a powerful GPU to run an average looking title.
Nevertheless, perhaps we should first focus on 4K60 for all titles before jumping the gun to 8K. And then aim for 4K120 once 4K60 is easily reached.
Ultimately I would like to play all my games at 4K90 or 4K120. Once you go to 90-120FPS, it's difficult to go to 60FPS.
Space Marine 2 feels like a slideshow at 60FPS. Now I can't get 120FPS at 4K, but I can get 75-90FPS with G-Sync and it feels butter smooth.
Effectively you need a 4080 to run PS4 titles at 4K60 - see God Of War Ragnarok benchmarks, 4K ultra native. Which seems bonkers to require such a powerful GPU to run an average looking title.
Nevertheless, perhaps we should first focus on 4K60 for all titles before jumping the gun to 8K. And then aim for 4K120 once 4K60 is easily reached.
Ultimately I would like to play all my games at 4K90 or 4K120. Once you go to 90-120FPS, it's difficult to go to 60FPS.
Space Marine 2 feels like a slideshow at 60FPS. Now I can't get 120FPS at 4K, but I can get 75-90FPS with G-Sync and it feels butter smooth.
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darrylgorn
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Not while 1080p content streaming is still the norm.
midnightAI
Member
The only thing stopping it from being mainstream is cost, which is nothing unusual. When 4K first came out it was really expensive and it only really took off once the prices came down to acceptable levels for the mass public (I'd say maybe when a decent size TV was sub $1000, heck, maybe only truly started selling massively when it was $500 for 32" and up)
midnightAI
Member
Isn't that the point of upscalers like PSSR though? 'If' PS6 can do 4K60 native then upscaled it can do 8K60
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Unlikely, Imo. Nobody's buying 8k TV's. Aside from the lack of TV and film content that nobody wants to make in 8k, hardly any games are native 4k as it is.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
That and a total lack of content. The massive cost and inconvenience of working in 8k makes it very unattractive at the moment.
It's a really hard sell, what would you even use to deliver 8k video content to consumers? Even if Blu Ray could handle the playback, the disc couldn't hold a movie. Stream it? Oh my lol.
I don't see how 8k happens for consumers tbh. And without that wider appeal, I don't see enough people wanting to buy an 8k screen to play (massively upscaled) games.
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Because we can open the same Steam and look at the statistics, for October 2024.
And we see - Primary Display Resolution
1920 x 1080 56.98%+1.25%, So we're in 2025 and most players are still playing in 1080p.
2560 x 1440 20.00% -1.73% - 20% - plays 2K.
I just don't see 8K suddenly becoming mainstream in a matter of years.
And we see - Primary Display Resolution
1920 x 1080 56.98%+1.25%, So we're in 2025 and most players are still playing in 1080p.
2560 x 1440 20.00% -1.73% - 20% - plays 2K.
I just don't see 8K suddenly becoming mainstream in a matter of years.
midnightAI
Member
We also had similar arguments towards 4K
It was gaming that made me buy a 4K TV, it's possible gaming could make me buy an 8K TV if it becomes affordable enough. I'm not saying it's going to happen quickly, but it probably will happen at some point.
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DenchDeckard
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Give me an 8k OLED with all the features of an LG TV for the same price with the same input lag and everything else and Ill consider it for my next purchase.
But I need 4k to look as good as it would on my current TV and 8k to be able to support 120FPS etc.
If not, nah mate. Waste of time.
But I need 4k to look as good as it would on my current TV and 8k to be able to support 120FPS etc.
If not, nah mate. Waste of time.
Edellus
Member
Maybe.
I haven't seen what 8k looks like yet. But, to me, 4k on a 55'' TV 2.5 meters away is more than enough. But I would guess many people said the same thing about 1080p back in the day.
As they say, I'd have to see it myself. But I reckon I won't own an 8k TV for many years still. My TV is from 6 years ago and it can't do 4k and HDR at the same time, and definitely not VRR. I've got some updating to do, true, but cost is a limiting factor and those features are my priority before 8k.
I haven't seen what 8k looks like yet. But, to me, 4k on a 55'' TV 2.5 meters away is more than enough. But I would guess many people said the same thing about 1080p back in the day.
As they say, I'd have to see it myself. But I reckon I won't own an 8k TV for many years still. My TV is from 6 years ago and it can't do 4k and HDR at the same time, and definitely not VRR. I've got some updating to do, true, but cost is a limiting factor and those features are my priority before 8k.
Well, basically nothing has changed, Sony showed the first 4K TV (Sony XBR-84X900) in 2012, 12 years have passed and people still haven't switched to 4K, only slowly started to crawl to 2K =)
midnightAI
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Globally maybe, but I don't know a single person who doesn't own a 4K TV, including my mum who is over 80 and knows zero about technology.
Yes, they have now become available to the average user, but how many years did it take? And again, yes, we have accessible 4K, but we still play in 1080, sometimes in 2K (if we're lucky), but usually it's just stupid upscale and good if not from 720p. I'm even afraid to imagine how many years will pass before we can natively play in 4K, and I won't even mention 8K.
Jack Videogames
Member
I always thought resolution should go before high fps, unless you were playing competitive games. Until I got an ultrawide 1400p 165hz monitor. Now I can't go back to 60fps - it feels like 30fps felt then.
LordOcidax
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The 8K label is the easy way to sell the game to PS5 Pro owners, he is just doing his job as a sales man.
midnightAI
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Isnt that exactly what I said though? I never said it would happen quickly because cost is a major factor when purchasing a TV and currently (like 4K was) they are way too expensive. You even say that most don't even have access to 4k content, yet 4K is pretty much standard now when buying a new TV simply because they are reasonably cheap.
Little Mac
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If Sony pushes this bullshit, I’m going back to being a full time Nintendo Bro. 4K60 hasn’t really been explored yet on consoles.
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Sorry, I probably didn't express it well, I wrote Yes, that is, I agree with you. Unfortunately, at the moment, the 4K logo and especially 8K is nothing more than a marketing ploy. It is clear that Sony, as a TV manufacturer, will promote 8K in every possible way =)
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
8k is just not happening and it's obvious at this point. These brands have been trying to market these TVs for like 5 years already. No one cares.
midnightAI
Member
Oh, yeh, definitely, we are a good few years away from mass adoption, but I think it will happen within the next 10yrs, but I also think personally, if Sony make PS6 or PS7 heavily lean on 8K, upscaled from 4K, then I can see adoption happening a bit quicker so long as prices for 8K TV's come down
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
same as 4k television at the beginning,
you will not be able to buy a 4k television in the F U T U R E as all tv's will be 8k
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I can't wait for the 1TB download for AAA 8k game.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
'4K' streaming often has a worse bitrate than 1080p Blurays too.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Except 8K TVs have been out there and marketed for like half a decade already. 4k TVs didn't take this long to take off.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Doesn’t their games visual style make higher resolutions much more viable?
PS5 Pro is struggling to hit 4k PSSR never mind native 4k so mass adoption is never going to happen especially as 8k TV’s are a niche of a niche and will be for at least the next 10 years.
PS5 Pro is struggling to hit 4k PSSR never mind native 4k so mass adoption is never going to happen especially as 8k TV’s are a niche of a niche and will be for at least the next 10 years.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
If PS4 port on PC was optimized well, even my old 1080ti could run it at 4K 60fps with maxed out settings (I had 1080ti for two years till 2019 and it was fairly easy to run PS4 games at 4K).
God of War Ragnarok runs at 1080p 30fps on the base PS4 (1.8TF Radeon 7850/7870), yet it needs 6TF (3x times stronger) GPU to run at minimum settings and 720p and 52TF 4080S to run over fps at 4K native / DLAA. Cant you see what's the problem here? Developers no longer optimise PS4 ports, because they know they can bruteforce poor performance, especially if they add support for DLSS and FG (my RTX4080S runs god of war ragnarok at around 100-120fps with the help of DLSS and FG).
It is true that 4K is not yet standard, but even if you play on a 4K display, you will not see how true 4K resolution should look like in your games because TAA blurs details to the point where even TAA native looks like an upscaled image.
I'm playing games on a 2560x1440 monitor and I can easily tell the difference between 1440p native TAA and 2880p (DSR) downsampled to 1440p. There's a lot more fine detail in the textures and no shimmering.
People playing on 4K displays will also see image picture quality when games run at 6-8K internally, without having to buy an 8K display. For example, Calisto Protocol runs at 6K on the PS5Pro (reconstructed, but still) and people have noticed a sharper and more detailed image even on their 4K displays.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
yes it did.. first 4k tellies where not even ruining in 60 fps
same as flat panels
16:9
it all took time
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Totally, but like I said the problem is in serving 8k content actually justifying the purchase. While I also bought my tv based on it's gaming performance, most people don't. And to get the price down on tv's to the point where as you say it becomes affordable enough it needs to be mass market. And while gaming is big, it's not big enough to drive a change in mass produced tvs. For that you need tv and film to able to take advantage of the screen. Your desire to buy a screen when it becomes affordable means that wide adoption needs to have taken place so that production volume is huge.
So to get people onside you need content that people will feel like they want. And while there's an enthusiast market who prioritise picture quality over everything else, even they are a small group. Yes you can buy a 4k Blu Ray Player, yes some films get released in that format. But a blu ray player isn't a device that most homes have now. But lets say a good amount of those people want to buy 8k screens to watch their favourite films and lets say the studios want to do the transfers to sell to this niche within a niche market, lets even say their existing blu ray player could deal with 8k films (no idea).
Each film would need to come on about 6 discs and you'd have to change the disc every 20 minutes!
So that means streaming! But for the last decade+ those people have been saying that streaming isn't good enough. And that was when we were talking about 4k (or lower)! Now how good is streamed 8k? How's your internet connection? How good are Netflix's servers?
I'm not saying it's impossible that 8k becomes a standard that reaches wide adoption one day, but I don't see how we overcome the hurdles mentioned there any time soon. It wouldn't surprise me to see 8k appearing on the next round of consoles' boxes. But I don't see it particularly likely that there'll be any content that actually justifies that.
eerik9000
Member
I'll quote myself here from an older thread:
In short: the broadcast and production industry have *always* expected 8K to become more relevant by the end of 2020s decade.
Little Chicken
Member
These consoles are still releasing 900p games, it's not going to happen, unless it's with a bad-looking game like NMS.
Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
lol 8K isn't gonna be here next gen. it wasn't here on PS4, it's not on PS5, and it's not gonna be on PS6.
PC gamers don't even bother with 8K so that should tell you something. Shit, most even don't care about 4K.
Even if these consoles could do 8K doesn't mean they should. Focus on 4K with higher FPS and pushing graphics quality. More raytracing would be better than a sharper image that 99% of people won't even notice.
PC gamers don't even bother with 8K so that should tell you something. Shit, most even don't care about 4K.
Even if these consoles could do 8K doesn't mean they should. Focus on 4K with higher FPS and pushing graphics quality. More raytracing would be better than a sharper image that 99% of people won't even notice.
Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
i wanted a 4K tv for so long then when i finally got one i realised... it doesn't look any better than my 1080p lol. i'm talking about image clarity. Even though I got a much larger display the distance I sit at means there's basically no difference.
Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
but.... but.... 8 > 4. let's slap 8K on the box and fool people (again).
i wish they'd focus on FPS. sell us 120-144 over 60fps. sell me 240 next gen. and then 360 the gen after.
at least then there will be some noticeable difference.
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GHG
Gold Member
You still going to be saying this when Nvidia talk a lot about 8k during the 5090 unveiling?
Makoto-Yuki
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