Admiral Woofington
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unless there's a benefit to pre-ordering, like something to help you in game, then no reason to.
No Man's Sky pre-orders start March 3rd, $59.99
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MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I always expected $60 for how long the game has been talked up, how many E3s it has been to, how much hype it had produced, how hard Sony was pushing it and how long it has been in development. It was on the cover of GAME INFORMER ffs. Some serious lack of foresight and reasoning in this thread.
Can't you preload pre-ordered games on the PS4?
You are automatically transported to the center of the universe.
Guardian Monkey
Member
It may procedurally generate bad sales numbers if they dont explain what the hell the game is.
Maintenance
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C'mon GAF, still 4 pages to go.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
100% this.
I remember the love this game got when the reveal trailer was well...reveal. It was the indie darling that couldn't do any wrong.
Now some folks aren't happy that it's going to cost $60.
I'll be honest and admit that when this game was first announced I thought it looked like a digital only $20-$30 game. After all the hype it got and repeated showings in several Sony shows, plus the rumor that it may come to PSVR I quickly changed my tune and was expecting this to cost $60.
I'll be getting this day one.
I won't even bother trying to understand why some gaffers can be so silly. This feeling of entitlement that a certain game HAS to cost X because it doesn't fit this or that criteria is just so silly.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Shouldn't the price be procedurally generated as well
like maybe you get lucky and you get it for $15
or maybe $100, that's part of the fun
like maybe you get lucky and you get it for $15
or maybe $100, that's part of the fun
dickroach
Member
THE WITNESS IS HOW MUCH?
Guardian Monkey
Member
If they explained the game a bit more maybe some would be justified. It just seems repetitive also what about sounds generating new worlds is one thing what about sound effects.
In a universe where everything sounds the same.
MarineMountie
Member
We know what the game is.
You explore planets, mine planets, find materials for upgrades of your ship, suit, weapons, etc..., space battles, economy, make your way to the center of the universe, wait for that magical moment when you run into another player and just play the game.
That is what it is. Not sure why its hard to understand. If you dont like what it is, dont buy it. They will sell to their target audience and that is a huge audience in this age of gaming.
not only that plenty of folks would be willing to plop down ~$90 for the game plus season pass
Icyflamez96
Member
They have told a lot... Including the fact that the sound effects and music is procedurally generated.
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Fixed.
Kssio_Aug
Member
It's all of this plus a comparison with the prices in the market. Expensive games to develop are charged 60 dollars and usually that's enough to cover their bases. People are used to pay a max of 60 dollars to a standard version of any game, and still there is a debate if that standard price should not be smaller. It's more a common sense thing rather than making the math looking for the exact values to see how much it is worth.
Like I said, I don't know how much costed to NMS team to develop their game, so I may be wrong to imagine that they're charging too much! Maybe they're not, maybe they've made the math and believe that charging 60 will cover the costs of development and give them reasonable profit for their work.
They're indeed in their rights for charging 60 dollars, I think no one can deny it. However... from my understanding it wasn't a big budget development, and neither it has a big team to share the profits. That said, I may be totally wrong, but I believe they could charge less, sell more, and reach a reasonable amount of profit to their pockets anyway.
And, if I find it hard to justify 60 dollars for games with expensive developments, I find much harder to pay 60 dollars in a small budget product. That said, I won't be paying 60 dollars... if the impressions are good enough, I'll get it later at a discounted price.
The "game has enough content" argument is not less dumb / stupid as the development cost or size of the team argument either to be honest. Just because the game supposedly delivers "infinity" things to see, it doesn't mean the experience will be more varied as any other game out there... there's a chace that after a couple of hours paying it you already saw "everything" the game had to offer you, even though you still have an infinity amount of variations of that same content. That said, it's not intelligent either to say that a game worth 60 dollars (or more) cause it offers a hell lot of debatable content.
In resume: they may charge whatever they think it's worth it, and we, as consumers, buy the game using the same logic. I will be using 60 dollars somewhere else.
I'm fine with $60. Although I've been following the game, watching videos/interviews and exploring a virtual galaxy is pretty much my crack.
There was a rumour that was the case, it was never confirmed though. This thread explains the situation and has posts from the Destructiod journo involved.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1132154
There was a rumour that was the case, it was never confirmed though. This thread explains the situation and has posts from the Destructiod journo involved.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1132154
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Bwhaha $90 you know darn well its $110 for most games.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Can we even really call it legitimate concern anyway?
5/5
AusRoachman
Member
As much as I am excited for no mans sky I am not completely sold on it (especially at that price).
But any developer can charge whatever they feel there product is worth, I will just hold off until I am sold on it.
I love the original reveal (it rates up as one of the best game reveals ever), so I still have massive hype. But subsequent videos have not shown me anything that I feel will keep me hooked.
Still it has not been shown for a long time and they may have made massive strides. So I cant wait to see the final reviews e.t.c as that is what will sell me.
But any developer can charge whatever they feel there product is worth, I will just hold off until I am sold on it.
I love the original reveal (it rates up as one of the best game reveals ever), so I still have massive hype. But subsequent videos have not shown me anything that I feel will keep me hooked.
Still it has not been shown for a long time and they may have made massive strides. So I cant wait to see the final reviews e.t.c as that is what will sell me.
Or in Uncharted 4, Final Fantasy XV, Persona 5, Dark Souls III, Last Guardian, Horizon, etc?. Not all AAA are shoot-people-from-a-first-person-viewpoint / climb-all-of-the-towers simulator.
Damn even the new Ratchet game is cheaper.
A game purchase is an investment; good games hold values over several decades and can blow up in their prices. To do so they need to be a) good and b) worth their launch price
What a game should have to be worth 60 American dollars in my opinion
- Campaign for sologamers with online integration, 20-30 hours would be nice
- Multiplayer of course with lots of customization
- Open-world with a lot of collectibles, sidequests, NPCs and please polished as possible
- Licensed music I know from radio
- Being able to make choices that matter and affect the game (Do I really want to eat this alien creature or make it my slave)
- A smart dialogue system that respects my time (Fallout 4)
- Should be fun 5 years later as well
- 90+% on Metacritic since when I know that people liked this game a lot I enjoy it more while playing
- Since this 2016: a second-screen application that keeps me informed all the time and presents me the info I need to make my way through vast videogame worlds
- A clever crafting system that allows me to build an entire ghosttown
There, game designers; is that so hard? I just wrote a must-have checklist that you can take and follow in less than 10 minutes. Wanna get rich? Well, maybe get off your high fucking horses and do what I wrote up there
What a game should have to be worth 60 American dollars in my opinion
- Campaign for sologamers with online integration, 20-30 hours would be nice
- Multiplayer of course with lots of customization
- Open-world with a lot of collectibles, sidequests, NPCs and please polished as possible
- Licensed music I know from radio
- Being able to make choices that matter and affect the game (Do I really want to eat this alien creature or make it my slave)
- A smart dialogue system that respects my time (Fallout 4)
- Should be fun 5 years later as well
- 90+% on Metacritic since when I know that people liked this game a lot I enjoy it more while playing
- Since this 2016: a second-screen application that keeps me informed all the time and presents me the info I need to make my way through vast videogame worlds
- A clever crafting system that allows me to build an entire ghosttown
There, game designers; is that so hard? I just wrote a must-have checklist that you can take and follow in less than 10 minutes. Wanna get rich? Well, maybe get off your high fucking horses and do what I wrote up there
I'm curious what Ratchet's price tag has to do with No Man's Sky. What kind of comparison are you drawing here?
dickroach
Member
what? that's so weird.
all of my favorite games have their own (really awesome) music.
edit: I totally took this post wrong. welp.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Considering ratchet is a reboot in the sense as well i fully understand why they only charged $40. New experiences all around they wanna charge $60 cool get it or dont. The whining and reasoning is hilarious
That we know what we are buying with Ratchet, but with NMS, is no clear what the game really is. The secrecy for this game is ridiculous. Meanwhile with other games you know what you are buying. Yes of course, if in two days they uncover what really is NMS, i'm willing to buy it day one, but the game is a mystery. I made a mistake with the witness. Beautiful game, but not my kind of game.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Explain this some more. Why is no mans sky being excluded from this.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Nibel, this criteria checklist was great. It got a really good laugh outta me.
Some people really have these type of high standards in order to pay $60 for a game...maybe. Then we wonder why publishers try to stick it to us with crummy season passes.
we've been shown and told quite a lot about the game, no idea where this "we have no information about this game" bs comes from
What is this "secrecy" you're referring to? They've shown the game numerous times. Did you skip E3 2015?
Like I posted before, if you want a good idea of what NMS will offer, then you could play the (cheaper) smaller sized Elite: Dangerous on PC/XB1 right now.
Kssio_Aug
Member
It okay that you want to pay 60 dollars. However, people have different opinions, different ways to value or look at things, and that doesn't mean they're being dumb and you are not.
Icyflamez96
Member
Ted Price's reasoning on the $40 price tag for R&C was "The original game was $40 and since this is a throwback to the original game why not have the same price too" or something like that.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Good thing i didn't call someone dumb?
Makes sense to me they could've charged 60 honestly
The argument being put forward by people in this thread about different development budgets is akin to saying
"Deadpool movie tickets should cost less than Gods of Egypt because it was made for a quarter of the budget of Gods of Egypt"
How do people not see how stupid this argument is? Development budget (or in the case of my metaphor production budget) does not create value. Only the actual quality of the final product determines value and that value is subjective and personal.
If you dont think a game is of a $60 value to you or that a movie is not of a $13 ticket value to you then dont buy/see it or pick it up when its available at a cheaper price down the road. But the arrogance and ignorance that must be be present to deem yourself the more appropriate arbiter of a product's worth than the people who mad it is just mindboggling to me. They made it so they get to decide how much they think it is worth you get to choose whether or not to buy it. So stop it with all the delusions of self importance and either buy the game or don't.
"Deadpool movie tickets should cost less than Gods of Egypt because it was made for a quarter of the budget of Gods of Egypt"
How do people not see how stupid this argument is? Development budget (or in the case of my metaphor production budget) does not create value. Only the actual quality of the final product determines value and that value is subjective and personal.
If you dont think a game is of a $60 value to you or that a movie is not of a $13 ticket value to you then dont buy/see it or pick it up when its available at a cheaper price down the road. But the arrogance and ignorance that must be be present to deem yourself the more appropriate arbiter of a product's worth than the people who mad it is just mindboggling to me. They made it so they get to decide how much they think it is worth you get to choose whether or not to buy it. So stop it with all the delusions of self importance and either buy the game or don't.
Because it's their way of saying they won't pay full price for an indie game.
Modern AAA games have marketing $ to fit their pricing, as they know that in most cases they cannot charge more than $60 (which is why they came up with Collector eds, and DLC, and what not). They also will sell many, many millions of units generally, which NMS probably can't hope to do (I hope it would though, obviously).
Back a few years, it did not matter if a game had a budget of $50.000 and was made by one person. If it was retail, it was $60, period (or whatever the price was back then).
And if you were interested in it, you didn't think twice about how long it was going to last you either.
It's almost like people are trying to justify not being interested in a game beyond a certain price.
That's fine, everyone has their own level of interest in a game vs price (and insane sales over the years with digital, cf Steam sales and the likes, did not help), but trying to rationalize one's (dis)interest in a game by saying it's "too indie for its price" is just ridiculous imo.
I can't help thinking about two of my favorite games of all times, The Faery Tale Adventure and Frontier Elite II on Amiga... Two products of love, sweat and long hours poured by -1- person each into games that were sold full price (I remember TFA actually being sold for a higher price than most).
Nowadays, their dev equivalents are treated as borderline Hobo scam artists it sounds like at times... /smh
what is the purpose of the game? Oh yeah going to the center of the galaxy. Cool plot.
The same kind of demo, the only thing that change is the planet.
I repeat I have no problem paying 60 dollars for a game that I know for sure how is going to work plot wise, game play wise, etc.
Icyflamez96
Member
I'm very surprised they didn't. It's not like it was any cheaper for them to make, still a new game from the ground up with a lot of new stuff/changes. If anything it's more likely that it's probably one of the more expensive R&C games to date in terms of production.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Sigh it would be the end of the month now wouldn't it. What day of the week is that?Probably means nothing, but I "preordered" on Amazon last year when they had a placeholder up. About a week ago, I checked and the release Date said December 30. Now says June 21st:
Yea the game looks absolutely beautiful would have definitely paid $60. I got my preorder tho and im ready
Kssio_Aug
Member
Corrected "they're being dumb, and you're not". I'm not calling you dumb, sorry for that.
Saying that the "whining" is hilarious was my point though. The guy made a point with Ratchet, but that's barely a whining, it's just his opinion about that situation. It may not sound logical to some, but it actually seems logical to me somehow... I believe more in the Ratchet and Clank content than in what has been shown in NMS.
A Tuesday afaik
lol, it says Tuesday right there before the Date. Amazon don't mess around.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
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Come on hello games confirm this!!! Give me a collectors edition with a 100 page artbook a universe steel book case and a model of one of the ships(this one is pushing it lol)
Probably means nothing, but I "preordered" on Amazon last year when they had a placeholder up. About a week ago, I checked and the release Date said December 30. Now says June 21st:
I don't know if I could handle another E3 presentation haha
More_Badass
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Not everything needs to have a physical tangible benefit
There's the satisfaction of supporting a developer you like or a game you've been following. Slacker-backing a Kickstarter you missed.
I wouldn't mind anothe 65DOS concert. I rather enjoyed that.
Normally I day one and buy anything pretty unique and original at full price. At $60 I'll pass unless there's some serious stuff we haven't seen. From what I've seen and know of the game I can't see myself spending over $40 for it. Hopefully I'm wrong and they can convince me of that. Everyone I know will definitely turn away at that price point.