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[NotWii]

I liked how the first game had more enemies that were really weak, so you really felt like a monster cutting through them like wheat

NMH2 threw too many strongmen at you, which are cool enemies, but take a while to wear down :/

 

[John Harker]

Man, #7

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Ryuji?

. Now THAT was a super epic battle. Certainly had a particular "feel" to that fight that I kinda felt was missing in NMH2 so far. Really felt good. And it was just the right amount of difficulty too. And can you always resurrect yourself? I did it in 3 times during that fight, never noticed one could before

 

[Threi]

Just finished it....


GAF, you are fucking insane. The sequel is a much better game, and out of the two I prefer it (I still love the original though)

I think you need to go back and view how the original concluded...unless, you probably wanted a sequel to end with a stupid twist just like the original?

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although there could have...having sylvia, henry, and shinobu killed off for real would be REALLY cool

I do admit there are things the original does better, but the sequel is a better overall package, I am baffled at how anyone could think otherwise.


P.S.

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batt jr form 2 is a cheap bitch.

*edit*

wth @

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shinobu not reappearing...didn't she say Sylvia had a promise to uphold for her? what was that about?

 

[Nicktals]

Man, #7

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Ryuji?

. Now THAT was a super epic battle. Certainly had a particular "feel" to that fight that I kinda felt was missing in NMH2 so far. Really felt good. And it was just the right amount of difficulty too. And can you always resurrect yourself? I did it in 3 times during that fight, never noticed one could before

Nah, there appears to be some sort of limit. The most I've had is 5, I think cosmicblizzard said around 5-6...

But I've also had it where I couldn't revive on the 3rd try, so there may be some percent chance involved.

 

[Threi]

Oh, and I finally realized that in the

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Sylvia

cutscenes on the phone, she's describing the bosses. So boss character development is there beforehand, just in a completely different form than the first game (although I really do miss hearing "SHPEEED BUSTERRRRR" followed by "Fuck you, you little prick!") I actually failed to connect the dots during my first playthrough..

exactly this. those cutscenes were actually pretty cool if you pay attention to what she is saying, I thought it was one of the best aspects of the game.

I also noticed that each time she was wearing a different bra and panties...heh.


*edit* reading the spoilered posts now that I beat it...

yeah...booth conversations >>>>>>>>>>>> sylvia phone calls...sorry dudes.

*edit #2* forgot to list my top 3 bosses:

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3. Alice
2. Ryuji (the actual fight)
1. Matt Helms (the beginning of the fight is creepy as hell, the moment it hits you that you don't have an open field to fight and run away...love it.)

 

[Caj814]

For those that beat the game and was wondering more about Rank 2.Take a look at this to see EXACTLY what was being burnt!

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http://i49.tinypic.com/p60zo.jpg

It definitely fills in ton of extra backstory.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

I too have now beaten NMH2!

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I was disappointing that Sylvia saved Travis at the end instead of Shinobu. Was so ready for the ninja catch in mid air. Then the kind of abrupt ending. I do like how they framed the story with Sylvia on the phone tho.

And ya, 2nd form of the final boss was stupid. Wound up having to use a complete bull shit tactic that abused the AI (running in to get him to attack, running out, then run slash after he wiffed).

Also, why is there only one Henry level? It was so kick ass!

Also WAT at Caj's pic.

 

[EzLink]

For those that beat the game and was wondering more about Rank 2.Take a look at this to see EXACTLY what was being burnt!

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http://i49.tinypic.com/p60zo.jpg

It definitely fills in ton of extra backstory.

Maybe its because I played through that part of the game stoned but could you be a little more specific with what is in that picture exactly and what you mean by something "being burnt"?

 

[Jenga]

For those that beat the game and was wondering more about Rank 2.Take a look at this to see EXACTLY what was being burnt!

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http://i49.tinypic.com/p60zo.jpg

It definitely fills in ton of extra backstory.

I'M CALLING IT

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the kid in the photo is the next protagonist in NMH3. Or at least an assassin!

 

[Poyunch]

Maybe its because I played through that part of the game stoned but could you be a little more specific with what is in that picture exactly and what you mean by something "being burnt"?

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During the monologue Alice was burning a bunch of papers while speaking with Travis. I forgot much of the speech outside of the assassins being envious of Travis.

Anyway the girl in the pictures looks like Margaret.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

I'M CALLING IT

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the kid in the photo is the next protagonist in NMH3. Or at least an assassin!

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I was thinking that it was the kid in the haunted house.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Well I finished the rank 8 and 9 battles.

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lol @ two halves of destroyman. Also: @ Shinobu trying to hook up with Travis. Isn't Shinobu like 15 or 16?

 

[somedevil]

Maybe its because I played through that part of the game stoned but could you be a little more specific with what is in that picture exactly and what you mean by something "being burnt"?

The idea is she is an ascetic and she been focused on nothing but fighting. She is burning it all in way to cleanse herself of her past, but really she is in denial because she is burning is what she desires to go back too. Thats why wants to fight travis to find a way to return to what she lost.

Thats how I see it.

 

[Poyunch]

Well I finished the rank 8 and 9 battles.

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lol @ two halves of destroyman. Also: @ Shinobu trying to hook up with Travis. Isn't Shinobu like 15 or 16?

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Shinobu was 18 in the original and this game takes place three years after the events of the first game.

 

[Caj814]

Maybe its because I played through that part of the game stoned but could you be a little more specific with what is in that picture exactly and what you mean by something "being burnt"?

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Before the fight you see Alice burning a bunch of photos.
These photos were of her and Margaret(they were most likely best friends or sisters)
her with a man and child(her husband and son perhaps?Could the son also have been the ghost boy you see after the Matt Helms fight?)
and what looks like a burnt structure(the house where you fight Matt Helms?)

 

[Jenga]

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I was thinking that it was the kid in the haunted house.

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well, then at least I would be technically right about the assassin part

 

[Crash Station]

For those that beat the game and was wondering more about Rank 2.Take a look at this to see EXACTLY what was being burnt!

Spoiler

http://i49.tinypic.com/p60zo.jpg

It definitely fills in ton of extra backstory.

Holy shit! That's some crazy attention to detail. I love it when people find little stuff like that.

 

[EzLink]

Wow, that would totally be awesome if

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haunted house guy+ghost kid+alice+margaret used to all be one big happy family

Really nice touch

Shame that I find this tiny little insignificant detail to be more exciting than the ending :/

 

[EscapingJail]

For those that beat the game and was wondering more about Rank 2.Take a look at this to see EXACTLY what was being burnt!

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http://i49.tinypic.com/p60zo.jpg

It definitely fills in ton of extra backstory.

WOWOWOWOW

Thank you so much for this.

 

[FrostuTheNinja]

Beat it earlier today.

My heart went into my throat during the

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silver platter

scene.

Thanks for the anger, Grasshopper!

 

[Tenbatsu]

Still not available here

 

[Femmeworth]

Yeah, that's really what tears me up. The music is so much better (and better placed). Margerets theme just makes that fight. Anybody know where I can get the OST without just listening to that youtube link all the time?

There are game rips out that are as good as we are going to get for now.

 

[quadrax1s]

I was enjoying this game until the 10th (?) ranked battle. The jumping mechanics are just horrible...

 

[Mayor Haggar]

So is there NO way you can access or read the UAA Assassins Files after you beat the game? It seems kinda weird they give you an invisible collectible.

 

[NotWii]

Anyone curious who composed the boss themes?
Here's a spoileriffic list

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12 - Cloe Walsh
Akira Yamaoka - Alice Moonlight
Akira Yamaoka 2 - Matt Helms
Akira Yamaoka 3 (couldn't figure this one, sorry. same as 2 and 4, though)
Akira Yamaoka 4 - Ryuji
DarkSide Hondalady - Henry (or Mimmy, if you wanna go by Boss theme)
Hagio - Dr. Letz Shake
Hagio Take 2 - Margaret
Hondalady - Captain Vladimir
Missile Chewbacca - Jasper Batt Jr. 2
Missile Chewbacca 2 - Jasper Batt Jr.
Neutrino - Jasper Batt Jr. 3
Neutrino 2 - New Destroymen
Neutrino Fukuda Mix - Kimmy Howell
Riot - Skelter Helter
TakuYoshioka - Nathan Copeland
TakuYoshioka 2 - Million Gunman
Watanabe - Santa Death Parade

Wonder if Masafumi Takada was too busy to do NMH2, or he was kicked off the project for some reason

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Now that I had more time to think about it, I'm pretty certain that Margaret is the coolest boss ever made. And her theme?

Catchy as hell

 

[Snapshot King]

Just finished it....


GAF, you are fucking insane. The sequel is a much better game, and out of the two I prefer it (I still love the original though)

NMH1 had better bosses overall and MUCH, MUCH better final bosses.

 

[Mayor Haggar]

NMH1 had better bosses overall and MUCH, MUCH better final bosses.

Overall, 2 is still the better game.

But not by a whole lot though.

 

[Snapshot King]

I don't know Haggar. Not sure if you read my earlier posts, but everything to do with Rank 1 and the ending was AWFUL. Terrible. Soured me on the game.

 

[Papercuts]

Overall, 2 is still the better game.

But not by a whole lot though.

2 is better as a game, but I'd also say NMH was not exactly that far above average as a hack and slash. What made NMH1 so special was the charm and overall attitude, which 2 changed so much that it lost a lot of what I liked about 1. It's not horrible and did improve in key spots, but overall I am not liking it nearly as much around rank 8. The stuff I hear about the endgame doesn't sound promising either, because the first ended on a great note.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

I don't know Haggar. Not sure if you read my earlier posts, but everything to do with Rank 1 and the ending was AWFUL. Terrible. Soured me on the game.

So because you sucked at the game, it blows? Like Margaret would sing...You're a goddamn pussy!

 

[BorkBork]

Desperate Struggle is a better game. NMH was a better and more memorable experience.

 

[Mayor Haggar]

I don't know Haggar. Not sure if you read my earlier posts, but everything to do with Rank 1 and the ending was AWFUL. Terrible. Soured me on the game.

Yeah, disappointing too especially since Rank 3 and 2 were so awesome. Guess that's what happens when Suda is just an executive director, rather than full-fledged.

At least

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Boss Rush

mode resembles what a NMH fighter would look like.

Edit: Also, I base this on the fact this is first game Grasshopper has ever made that's a sequel, so I bet the first day they started design work they were like:

"Uh...what do we do?"

And that kinda mentality stuck for most of the subsequent production.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

Desperate Struggle is a better game. NMH was a better and more memorable experience.

Because it came first. It was our first taste of the NMH universe, so of course it sticks with you. Even then, it's not like 2 is a soulless game. It's got more attitude than any game since...well NMH!

Anyway NMH2>NMH, it all the key areas, that needed improvement. Story is subjective. I'd say the first game's was better, but more memorable? Not for me.

 

[Snapshot King]

So because you sucked at the game, it blows? Like Margaret would sing...You're a goddamn pussy!

What are you talking about? I beat ranks 5 through 1 on my first attempts. It's not that they were too hard, or too easy. Hell, 5 through 2 were great. I just hated everything about Rank 1.

 

[G.O.O.]

I don't know Haggar. Not sure if you read my earlier posts, but everything to do with Rank 1 and the ending was AWFUL. Terrible. Soured me on the game.

As I said above, I'm sure that rank 1 and the ending are intentionnally bad, as even Henry seems to acknowledge it.

For those that beat the game and was wondering more about Rank 2.Take a look at this to see EXACTLY what was being burnt!
http://i49.tinypic.com/p60zo.jpg

It definitely fills in ton of extra backstory.

WHAT THE DAMN FUCKING HELL

 

[Snapshot King]

As I said above, I'm sure that rank 1 and the ending are intentionnally bad, as even Henry seems to acknowledge it.

Intentionally terrible or not, still terrible.

 

[NotWii]

For those that beat the game and was wondering more about Rank 2.Take a look at this to see EXACTLY what was being burnt!

Spoiler

http://i49.tinypic.com/p60zo.jpg

It definitely fills in ton of extra backstory.

Somehow missed this post :/

Well I think that explains Rank 2's motivation for joining the UAA...

 

[Snapshot King]

Somehow missed this post :/

Well I think that explains Rank 2's motivation for joining the UAA...

Am I the only one whose head those pictures are flying straight over? She's sisters with Margeret? So what?

 

[G.O.O.]

Intentionally terrible or not, still terrible.

Yep. But you can tell yourself that the real ending is

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Travis getting downward fucking dog, which works very well with the after-credits sequence

Am I the only one whose head those pictures are flying straight over? She's sisters with Margeret? So what?

You didn't play many grasshopper games, did you ?

 

[Mayor Haggar]

NM

 

[Snapshot King]

You didn't play many grasshopper games, did you ?

Just the NMH1 and 2. Why? You saying that throwaway photo is symptomatic of a deep and meta relationship criss crossing all over the NMH megaverse?

 

[MiniDitka]

I tried ripping Alice's theme(made 2 versions) but I'm not sure how good they sound so I would appreciate it if someone could download either one and tell me if it sounds ok.

Abrupt end - http://www.mediafire.com/?jwwnxj3ldzw

Fade out - http://www.mediafire.com/?morkdmuynfa

 

[G.O.O.]

Just the NMH1 and 2. Why? You saying that throwaway photo is symptomatic of a deep and meta relationship criss crossing all over the NMH megaverse?

You just have to ask the good questions about it. It's here for a reason, where a lot of other games would just throw it here and say "oh, btw, it was a family".

 

[Dascu]

I get the feeling the appreciation for the story, the assassins and the music will improve on subsequent playthroughs. Some people here are looking at NMH1 with rose-tinted glasses.

 

[RocketDarkness]

Man, Death Match mode is a ton of fun. I did discover one surprising thing while playing it, however. The Bloodberry fucking ROCKS. Times of 7 or 8 minutes per boss fight got slashed into pieces. Most of Travis's matches I can win in under 4 minutes, with a few exceptions. The most surprising one for me was dropping

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Matt Helms

in 2:30. He was one of the harder bosses the first time round, and here I tear him apart utterly.

 

[MNC]

Hey come on, he spoilered the picture for a reason, if you discuss it, spoiler that as well.


...

Time to head out of this thread till EU release. Bye!

 

[VistraNorrez]

GAF, you are fucking insane. The sequel is a much better game, and out of the two I prefer it (I still love the original though)

I think you need to go back and view how the original concluded...unless, you probably wanted a sequel to end with a stupid twist just like the original?

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although there could have...having sylvia, henry, and shinobu killed off for real would be REALLY cool

And one shouldn't forget, the initial plot mover in part 1 is that Travis wants to get laid (revenge comes into it later). This one is all about revenge (getting laid comes into it later), so it has a more serious tone. There doesn't need to be some major crazy twist this time around. The story takes itself just to seriously to drop any major bombs, especially when Suda has said this is the last game starring Travis Touchdown.

NMH1 had better bosses overall and MUCH, MUCH better final bosses.

Henry is a cool character, but his boss fight is nothing special. It's pretty cheap, just dodge endlessly and dark step, or attack when he lets his guard down. And avoid that damn instant kill.

Playing through part 1 again (new game+ on mild. I'm one away from max health and strength.), and noticing more changes and observations. 2 has blue attack arrows instead of the yellow-orange ones (opposing design). In 2 you can't charge your beam while holding down lock-on (z-button). If you hold z while normally walking you can't run. It does suck having to drive around to get to missions, but exploring for money patches, cards, and lovikov balls is kind of fun. Bosses overall so far (just beat Destroyman) seem easier.

 

[kinggroin]

2 is better as a game, but I'd also say NMH was not exactly that far above average as a hack and slash. What made NMH1 so special was the charm and overall attitude, which 2 changed so much that it lost a lot of what I liked about 1. It's not horrible and did improve in key spots, but overall I am not liking it nearly as much ...

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Dascu]

Hagio Take 2/Philistine, Handalady, Neutrino 2, Neutrino Fukuda Mix and Missile Chewbacca 2 are all great boss themes. Fuck those who say the OST is shit compared to NMH1. It's not quite as nice, but still pretty fucking good.