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No one gives a damn now

ProtoByte

Weeb Underling
Enthusiasm in core gaming is down, and the companies don't seem to realize it or don't care.

The reveal for the Switch 2 was the lowest effort a generational hardware reveal has ever been. One of of the top yt comments says the following:

That was the most "get off my back" energy I've ever seen in teaser

It would be something if this Wendy's Twitter account attitude was coming from Nintendo, but fans are just projecting that image onto them. To me, it comes off more like they're taking the Switch 2's success for granted.
"Here's some muddy ass footage of Mario Kart Not8, now piss off and get ready to preorder for maybe 3 new games of consequence and an avalanche of inferior ports"

Nintendo isn't alone here: Sony hasn't had a showcase in over 18 months, and their last was abysmal. State of Plays are contractual obligations on video. No one brings their A game to the content or the presentation. Third parties think that dripfeeding on Twitter and showing a 90 second trailer at one of Geoff Keighley's shill auctions does the trick.
Microsoft is able to put on a convincing effort for NotE3 because they've bought out half of the industry and dedicate most of their energy trying making things look better than they actually are.

And to that point, you might be thinking:
The presentations don't matter. It's about the games.
But this devil may care attitude to selling people on buying their games has also bled into the games themselves, and it's hard not to notice that this started as trade shows, expos and press conference became less of a concern.

Because we don't have regular conference dates, we're left for 5 or more years without having a clue what premiere studios are doing. We didn't know what Monolith Productions was doing for more than 4 years before they revealed Wonder Woman - and it's clear the lack of pressure got to them, as they'd barely started before the reveal which is why we haven't seen shit since.

It just seems like everyone is running on cruise control. Sequels are becoming lesser rehashes even when they take 4+ years to make with heavy asset reuse; new IP of significance is rare, and is either a pale imitation of old IP or looks fucking stupid; major publishers have swathes of their schedules filled by remasters and remakes, and dragging out old IP that was probably let go of for a reason; none of the platform holders are curating their stores; trailers are not as well put together as they were 10 years ago; top developers are more than happy going 5-8 years without releasing a game while collecting six figure salaries; and they increasingly don't give a festering fuck about making a game that sells if it isn't a Stockholm syndrome designed live service they can use to climb the corporate ranks.
And before any of you indie yahoos come in here telling us all about your "hidden gems", most of this stuff applies to that space too.

Who solves it, if anyone? Do we lay all our hopes on GTA6? Do we wait for Hermen Hulst to be dismissed, a major publisher like Ubisoft or Microsoft to crumble, Andrew Wilson to leave for Disney, and the half-century old guard of Nintendo to bow out? I think it's a mixture of all of this and more. This generation looks to be a total wipeout.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
Speak for yourself.

Maybe ditch some of the extreme cynicism first? What does GTA 6 do for your enjoyment of gaming that many other games couldn’t do for you?

Nobody gives a shit about the Switch 2 reveal
If the games on April 2nd blow people away. And you can be sure preorders will be strong.

More people are playing games today than ever before.
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
GTA games suck. The controls are bad and the mission structure rigid and outdated. All Rockstsar games have shit gameplay.

I know this isn’t what the thread is about, but I saw an occasion to shit on that overhyped and overrated franchise and took it.
 
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analog_future

Resident Crybaby
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Neofire

Member
Enthusiasm in core gaming is down, and the companies don't seem to realize it or don't care.

The reveal for the Switch 2 was the lowest effort a generational hardware reveal has ever been. One of of the top yt comments says the following:



It would be something if this Wendy's Twitter account attitude was coming from Nintendo, but fans are just projecting that image onto them. To me, it comes off more like they're taking the Switch 2's success for granted.
"Here's some muddy ass footage of Mario Kart Not8, now piss off and get ready to preorder for maybe 3 new games of consequence and an avalanche of inferior ports"

Nintendo isn't alone here: Sony hasn't had a showcase in over 18 months, and their last was abysmal. State of Plays are contractual obligations on video. No one brings their A game to the content or the presentation. Third parties think that dripfeeding on Twitter and showing a 90 second trailer at one of Geoff Keighley's shill auctions does the trick.
Microsoft is able to put on a convincing effort for NotE3 because they've bought out half of the industry and dedicate most of their energy trying making things look better than they actually are.

And to that point, you might be thinking:
The presentations don't matter. It's about the games.
But this devil may care attitude to selling people on buying their games has also bled into the games themselves, and it's hard not to notice that this started as trade shows, expos and press conference became less of a concern.

Because we don't have regular conference dates, we're left for 5 or more years without having a clue what premiere studios are doing. We didn't know what Monolith Productions was doing for more than 4 years before they revealed Wonder Woman - and it's clear the lack of pressure got to them, as they'd barely started before the reveal which is why we haven't seen shit since.

It just seems like everyone is running on cruise control. Sequels are becoming lesser rehashes even when they take 4+ years to make with heavy asset reuse; new IP of significance is rare, and is either a pale imitation of old IP or looks fucking stupid; major publishers have swathes of their schedules filled by remasters and remakes, and dragging out old IP that was probably let go of for a reason; none of the platform holders are curating their stores; trailers are not as well put together as they were 10 years ago; top developers are more than happy going 5-8 years without releasing a game while collecting six figure salaries; and they increasingly don't give a festering fuck about making a game that sells if it isn't a Stockholm syndrome designed live service they can use to climb the corporate ranks.
And before any of you indie yahoos come in here telling us all about your "hidden gems", most of this stuff applies to that space too.

Who solves it, if anyone? Do we lay all our hopes on GTA6? Do we wait for Hermen Hulst to be dismissed, a major publisher like Ubisoft or Microsoft to crumble, Andrew Wilson to leave for Disney, and the half-century old guard of Nintendo to bow out? I think it's a mixture of all of this and more. This generation looks to be a total wipeout.
I'm glad someone else pointed out the obvious with Nintendo's 8 year plus half ass switch 2 reveal. Once we know the specs then I'll know just how much that half ass effort they actually went through with.
 

SweetTooth

Gold Member
Nintendo fans have lot to be excited about, soon they will transition to sub HD gaming, some party chat, in 2035 they will transition to 1440p and stable 60fps, in 2042 they will move away from stereo audio to 3D and by some miracles they might get a 1080p VR headset.

All that playing the same rehashed and fan favorite Mario and Zeldas!! Wohoooo
 
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Klosshufvud

Member
I think the biggest issue is that the big three no longer drive the medium as they used to. Constant barrage of exclusives, extremely competitive prices and experimental hardware that allowed some unique games to be made. New IPs were the norm and a single season could have upwards a dozen heavy hitters. None of that is true anymore.

Competition has died down and instead the big three are more concerned with exploiting the everliving shit out of their current playerbases until the well is dry. Third parties are also not so inclined to take risks without any of the big three offsetting costs via contracts. The death of big events removed the only times each and every publisher had to individually perform.
 
Speak for yourself.
100% this! All I can say I’m sorry you are having miserable time with gaming.🤷‍♂️
The reasoning for everything wrong will always take place in every location but the mirror.

For anyone down on this hobby, I am sorry that you are not enjoying video games from every single region on earth, and I would suggest trying out another hobby. I'm not saying leave, just saying try something else out for a change.
 

64gigabyteram

Reverse groomer.
And before any of you indie yahoos come in here telling us all about your "hidden gems", most of this stuff applies to that space too.
ah yes because the indie scene is known for rehashing old IP over and over again just like AAA. Indies only make live service slop meant to get your money, totally. LMAO

How about you start your own studio and fix the gaming industry yourself?

or like I said before, just quit the hobby and find something more fun for you.
 
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GTA games suck. The controls are bad and the mission structure rigid and outdated. All Rockstsar games have shit gameplay.

I know this isn’t what the thread is about, but I saw an occasion to shit on that overhyped and overrated franchise and took it.

And I thought I was alone in this world :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

I did like the story though in the GTA4 at least :messenger_winking:
 

nial

Gold Member
Sony hasn't had a showcase in over 18 months, and their last was abysmal. State of Plays are contractual obligations on video. No one brings their A game to the content or the presentation.
What are you even talking about? Every SOP last year ended with the reveals of tentpole games such as DS2, Astro Bot and Ghost of Yotei.
If you want to be bitter about everything, then more power to you, but I don't get why you would think that anyone would care about this shit.
 
What kind of deranged take is this even? Nintendo released a fucking teaser showing off the console, giving media dates for more info, and THIS is the conclusion you come to? First people are going feral because there was no info except for leaked spec lists and accessory manufacturers.

People are acting starved like they've experienced a game drought from the Gamecube days. How are you possibly current and wanting? There are so many awesome games to play.
 

Hollowpoint5557

A Fucking Idiot
Everything you said can apply to pretty much everything right now. Movies, music, consoles, GPUs... lots of companies/industries just coast by on the "good enough" mentality. Very few try to innovate and push their industry forward and those that do are usually rewarded for it.
 
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Xellos

Member
The Switch 2 teaser was pretty weak but Nintendo did announce a more substantial presentation in April. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
GTA games suck. The controls are bad and the mission structure rigid and outdated. All Rockstsar games have shit gameplay.

I know this isn’t what the thread is about, but I saw an occasion to shit on that overhyped and overrated franchise and took it.
This mostly why I'm waaaaaaaay more hype for MHWilds over GTA VI.
 

reinking

Gold Member
Sony released a PS5 Pro and Nintendo officially announced the new Switch 2. Was it the most exciting Switch 2 announcement? No, but we know it is officially coming this year. We have seen the introduction of handheld PCs that are starting to get the attention of mainstream media. There have been some great games this generation but nobody wants to talk about those. It seems to me, for whatever reason this generation, people only want to focus on the failures.
 

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Said it before indie developers or people with creative ideas are saving gaming and bigger(?) games that are good are few and far between. Many are taking notice of how creatively bankrupt games are and either stop playing or play older games.

Switch 2 reveal is boring because there is no price and also no games to pique your interest...which I care more about the games then the console.

For all your GTAs I'll take an Astral Chain or a Metaphor any day of the week.
 

nnytk

Member
Society has changed. How we deal with information and media has changed, drastically. I also miss E3, big marketing stunts and bold advertising by Sony and Nintendo.

But that stuff doesn't fit the needs of the current audience or times we are in.

Doesn't mean gaming is in a bad spot, heck, the great games just keep on coming. I'm not complaining.
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Yeah this gen sucks for first-party console stuff, but who cares when there's still so many good games coming out.

2024, at least for me, was great. Many awesome releases and some I wasn't even expecting. 2025 looks very good to me as well, with stuff like KCD2 or the new DOOM among others.
 
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Guilty_AI

Gold Member
Videogames were never meant to be as mainstream as they are today. It has a lot more similar with books and board games than cinema.

What you're witnessing is merely the fallout of multiple major companies putting their cards onto that mainstream public. Its no coincidence that all recent success stories, big and small, came from devs who invested in a core public with matching budget and sales expectations.
 
"core" gamers used to be the only game customers, but since then the "casuals" have flooded into the hobby and game makers don't care about dedicated gamers any longer. Even a lot of the "players" these days no longer concern themselves with good games, only bottom lines for corporations.

This is no longer a hobby of wonder and fun and innovation, just dollars, specs and political activism.
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I'm glad someone else pointed out the obvious with Nintendo's 8 year plus half ass switch 2 reveal. Once we know the specs then I'll know just how much that half ass effort they actually went through with.
No evidence of DLSS or 4k capabilities based off the terrible looking visuals of MK9 ...game didn't even have anti fucking aliasing! Let that sink in...

The rumored specs of the Switch are not impressive either ...I'm expecting this console to be a big disappointment due to Nintendo's greed and arrogance (charging $60 for games like DKCR and $70 for Tears of the Kingdom-a very disappointing game on multiple levels for me).

I agree with the OP ...we've been noticing and talking about this problem for years over in the "Graphical Fidelity" thread. Look at how these companies are treating their fans? Sony just released the most expensive console ever, a whopping $300 more than PS5, and they havn't even updated/patched half of their OWN PS5 exclusives!! That's disgusting treatment of customers by any standards! Nintendo, I hardly expect them to be any different.

Why? Because these companies know gaming sales are at an all time high and are more than happy to coast, cost save where they can, exploit the market however they can. Look how long the Cross Gen period has gone on for....Switch 2's cross gen period will be just as bad.

These two things are just a fraction of the fuckery that goes on in this industry.
 

RAIDEN1

Member
The best era of gaming was between the launch of the GameCube, and Xbox One...(or the twilight years of the 360) you had kick ass titles like Luigi's mansion, F-Zero GX, Metal Gear 4, decent James Bond games, Split Second, Blur, follow ups to Outrun, Afterburner, more competition in the tennis and football/soccer genres, Deus Ex alive and kicking, as well as Motorstorm......since then the variety is just not there..
 

SHA

Member
I'm more in love with gaming than ever. Been playing since the late 80's, and it's never been a better time to enjoy this fantastic hobby than now.

Btw, I have never played a GAAS game.
I've been playing since the early 90's, I missed a lot and took long breaks cause it's life but you're right, I'm consistent more than ever and the games keeps on coming.
 
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