NoA: "there are more great games on Nintendo platforms than anywhere else!"
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Mass_Pincup
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No it didn't, I think Storm Kyleis put it in case Rayman Legends wasn't counted.
goldsoundz
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They aren't lying if PC isn't included. WiiU has some great games, and A Link Between Worlds alone makes 3DS worth owning. Nintendo hasn't waved the white flag.
The only reason to own a PS4 or Xbox One at the moment is if you have a crummy PC.
The only reason to own a PS4 or Xbox One at the moment is if you have a crummy PC.
Beelzebufo
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I just realized Virtue's Last Reward is on there, and I've never even heard of that game! I can't believe Nintendo is blatantly lying to their customers like this.
Melchiah
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Yeah, that's exactly what my parents tend to do for my girlfriend's gift, as they don't know what to buy for her. I'd wager gift cards and digital gifts are becoming more common these days, although no-one is going to give just those for someone, there has to be a tangible gift as well. That's what chocolate is for though.
deltatheta
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Sorry, I didn't explain it very well.
The original graphic is considering games that have these criteria:
- On a next-gen platform.
- Retail release.
- Metascore of 85 or higher
- User score of 8.5 or higher
If you eliminate the user score qualification, the numbers change to
32 on Nintendo vs 21 not on Nintendo.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Lol. Ok.
deltatheta
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ForsakenLotus
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Just look at Metacritic. It's not that difficult. You seem very contrarian here.
HUELEN10
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Mass_Pincup
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HUELEN10
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Hey, even big names can be out of touch with reality after all. Nintendo prior has stated everything is their competition, and whatnot; take of it as you will.
PR speak can be confusing at times, I'm not the biggest fan myself.
ForsakenLotus
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Nintendo is not a primary rival of Sony/Microsoft because their main target audiences don't overlap. Nintendo makes family friendly games while the other two focus more on the teenager to young adult market. That's why they aren't rivals in the context of this discussions and many others. It's also one of the reasons why Sony and Microsoft are much more probe to exaggerated and biased user reviews.
User reviews should not be a criteria. Don't want to count digital, I understand that. And maybe Nintendo still has more games that qualify. But user reviews undermine the discussion.
deltatheta
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Yeah, I did a comparison eliminating user reviews a couple posts above.
You actually have remove both the user reviews and retail/non-retail criteria for the numbers to come out unfavorably for Nintendo.
Phoenician_Viking
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So only review scores that support your opinion should count. Pathetic.
Solid Samus
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No, that's what he's arguing against. That user scores shouldn't be discounted on the basis of assumed bias. Bias is inherent in all reviews, press and users alike.
The people actually arguing certain scores shouldn't count are also the ones who seem to take umbrage with this ad.
Beelzebufo
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Wait, you're saying they had a motive behind setting limitations? I looked into it more, and if you include scores of 50 or above, things get really stacked against Nintendo. Can't believe people are defending them on this one.
Everyone knows that the gaming press scores the best games 5/10.
Everyone knows that user scores are all biased. Except for, uh, nintendo because user scores are rated mature and nintendo is for kiddies (I honestly don't know how to respond to all of the goalpost movements on display here)
Phoenician_Viking
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Yes it is. "Professional journalism don't count only people vote do because they support my opinion". It is what he said.
Look up where I commented in this thread. I don't care about the ad one way or another. It's an ad. I am just laughing at some people here whom are bending over backwards to make a marketing ad, a reality.sörine;144225136 said:
GloriousBagel
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No shit it doesn't, this is an ad lol
I don't see much laughing, just you calling other posters pathetic.
Sony, Google, Apple and Nintendo all collect, source and promote user scores. It's built into all their stores, how volatile can they be?
Beelzebufo
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What do you mean? The only people who did any work at all were the people who set the criteria in the add. The statement is true, but not because of anyone in this thread.
prag16
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Yeah as if you have no horse in this race. Gimme a break. Your posting history betrays you.
SneakyStephan
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Sony/MS: if you want good marketing
Nintendo: if you want good games
Nintendo: if you want good games
prag16
Banned
I also am gonna need to see more proof that Nintendo games are somehow the only ones not trolled in user scores. They're sure as hell trolled relentlessly everywhere else on the internet... People cite Sony vs. MS fanboy warzzz as the reason those games are trolled, but many (most?) of the affected games are multiplats. So what then? You think people are rating the same games 0 and 10 on the different platforms? Proof?
Maybe nintendo used user scores because it cares more about what gamers think...
Even if they were going to go by exclusive to platforms only if they were to win out by one game or two using some mathematic Magic we'd all go into arguments about how nintendo has been on the market longer therefore it had more time to make more games...
It's an ad. Designed to make nintendo look good. It works. Inflated user scores or not, there's inflated pro scores as well. I'm happy they took the opinions of the fans and not the opinions of the guys who thought zombiu was a boring cod clone with not enough pew pew pew moments....
Even if they were going to go by exclusive to platforms only if they were to win out by one game or two using some mathematic Magic we'd all go into arguments about how nintendo has been on the market longer therefore it had more time to make more games...
It's an ad. Designed to make nintendo look good. It works. Inflated user scores or not, there's inflated pro scores as well. I'm happy they took the opinions of the fans and not the opinions of the guys who thought zombiu was a boring cod clone with not enough pew pew pew moments....
That's now what he's talking about. The fanboyism that leads to people bashing anything that's not for their preferred console happens a lot more between Xbox and Playstation since they're so similar. Forza vs Gran Turismo probably created a lot of 0/10s on metacritic lol.
Even within a console you have Battlefield vs CoD which is a neverending fight.
Outtrigger888
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Considering almost all the games on the list are developed or published by Nintendo, it's pretty impressive. Nintendo is also hitting every genre. it's amazing one company can pretty much support a home console and hand held and still put out quality. Nintendos not fucking around.
The Maverick
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I would say that in terms of posters who have managed to dodge a ban but continue to incessantly troll the board, you are far and away the worst. You toe the line just enough to see another day. It's a talent, I'm sure.
Nintendo tries to appeal to everyone with each game, which is reflected in their high user score averages. There's something about Nintendo's design philosophy that makes all of their games fire the same synapses in the brain. Mario Kart and Smash Bros are in completely different genres, but they are equally approachable and fun. Nintendo's consistency makes it easy for people to confidently purchase a game of any genre and know that it will probably be enjoyable.
The overall perception of the PS4 and XBO is that they have plenty of great games- it's just that gamers don't always agree on which ones.
I looked at the top 10 games that people bought alongside a PS4 and Wii U on Amazon, and noted how many were first party:
Wii U
SNMB/Luigi U bundle: 7 of 10
3D World/NintendoLand bundle: 6 of 10
MK8/NintendoLand bundle: 6 of 10
32GB Deluxe: 9 of 10
Zelda Windwaker bundle: 9 of 10
PS4
White Destiny bundle: 2 of 10
Plain PS4: 1 of 10
GTAV/Last of Us bundle: 1 of 10
Dualshock 4 bundle: 0 of 10
Battlefield launch bundle: 2 of 10
500GB Last of Us bundle: 1 of 10
Instead of Sony published games, PS4 owners were most commonly buying Far Cry, Minecraft, Assassin's Creed, Destiny, Call of Duty, GTAV, Fifa, Middle Earth, Madden, and Need for Speed. Wii U owners were buying the games listed in the Nintendo graphic, no surprise, due to the reasons I listed above.
What I'm trying to say is that Metacritic user scores are more harsh on PS4 games because there is more trial and error because each game varies so much in design, making each PS4 software purchase a bit more risky than a tried and true Nintendo game.
The overall perception of the PS4 and XBO is that they have plenty of great games- it's just that gamers don't always agree on which ones.
I looked at the top 10 games that people bought alongside a PS4 and Wii U on Amazon, and noted how many were first party:
Wii U
SNMB/Luigi U bundle: 7 of 10
3D World/NintendoLand bundle: 6 of 10
MK8/NintendoLand bundle: 6 of 10
32GB Deluxe: 9 of 10
Zelda Windwaker bundle: 9 of 10
PS4
White Destiny bundle: 2 of 10
Plain PS4: 1 of 10
GTAV/Last of Us bundle: 1 of 10
Dualshock 4 bundle: 0 of 10
Battlefield launch bundle: 2 of 10
500GB Last of Us bundle: 1 of 10
Instead of Sony published games, PS4 owners were most commonly buying Far Cry, Minecraft, Assassin's Creed, Destiny, Call of Duty, GTAV, Fifa, Middle Earth, Madden, and Need for Speed. Wii U owners were buying the games listed in the Nintendo graphic, no surprise, due to the reasons I listed above.
What I'm trying to say is that Metacritic user scores are more harsh on PS4 games because there is more trial and error because each game varies so much in design, making each PS4 software purchase a bit more risky than a tried and true Nintendo game.
I was actually almost directly quoting (or parodying, I guess) a user who made that actual argument (paying for online on PC) in a recent pc thread but there are a lot more egregious and transparent people in this very thread than myself. But sure, I'm the worst. Have a wonderful day, and thank you for your lovely contribution! (In other words, I don't feel as though parodying a dumb argument is worth getting anyone's panties into a bunch)
I'm spinning just trying to parse the post above me, stating that sony takes risks (on risky multi platform releases like, uh, battlefield too?) which is why user scores are lower. There really isn't a need to move goalposts.
Come on you troll constantly and are an uber defender of Nintendo. And the guy above was praising Nintendo quality and consistency compared to 3rd party games but if someone isn't explicitly praising Nintendo or trolling Sony/ms your defense sensors go off.
Oppo
Member
wow.
I take this ad with about the same level of gravity that I assign to the hamburger truck near me that has Galaxy's Best Burgers on the side.
the user score thing is funny though. that's like having testimonial quotes on a movie commercial from YouTube comments. "ITS GREAT" - Random848572
I take this ad with about the same level of gravity that I assign to the hamburger truck near me that has Galaxy's Best Burgers on the side.
the user score thing is funny though. that's like having testimonial quotes on a movie commercial from YouTube comments. "ITS GREAT" - Random848572
Psycho_Mantis
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Right. This is what I was saying as well. I mean they clearly added the user score thing requirement to make it seem like WiiU has more "quality" games.
Thats what PR is though. Just something to change perception.
User scores and youtube videos are way most important than website reviews. We know all that companies like ubi or ea (there are other 3rd party) pay a lot of big websites in order to receive a high score.
This fact makes tons of reviews worthless.
Between my Steam collection and a Wii U library, this isn't true. The XB1/PS4 have no games if you owned a last gen system. Aside for Sunset Overdrive there isn't a whole lot to miss out on. The only platform they'd be missing is Steam.
Melchiah
Member
I agree, but the thing is, as the PS4 has only two games with +85 user score, and the XB1 none, there's clearly something amiss with the Metacritic system.
And NeoGAF usually mocks PR every time they bend the truth to suit their product.
Captain Europe
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It's the truth.
Or there's something amiss with the games themselves.
Melchiah
Member
Realistically speaking, do you really think XB1 has no +85 score deserving game so far, or that PS4 only has two that deserved a higher score?
Isn't he the guy that said "I'll worry about not having third party games on Nintendo when third party games are actually good" or some shit?