DenchDeckard
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We have no idea what these are going to cost yet, but I get it. theres a large portion of you that hope whatever is coming will be a disaster.
Now that Lisa Su's video dropped today, I can share what I know about next gen "Xbox" since last June.
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We have no idea what these are going to cost yet, but I get it. theres a large portion of you that hope whatever is coming will be a disaster.
GHG
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Nobody has really stated or thought about this, but the biggest tell for what these devices are will be whether microsoft/xbox still require developers to make "xbox" versions of games going forwards or if they will simply allow developers to just make PC versions of games and call it a day.
If its the latter it actually makes things a lot more simple for them going forwards in terms of support, especially on a long term basis.
If its the latter it actually makes things a lot more simple for them going forwards in terms of support, especially on a long term basis.
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DeltaPolarBear
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Since the alternative is losing ALL their customer base, merely losing a lot of them is technically an improvement.
However, that depends on how much money they waste to get it, and we both agree that it is a lost cause.
No one is saying Xbox is doing something BAD, we are just saying:
1. It is far more expensive to buy than fans like to imagine
and
2. In the end they will fail and lose money.
If you think it benefits you then go ahead and enjoy. That's assuming you could stomach the price tag.
Definitely. Play Anywhere is just a stopgap, the goal is just have the PC version. The "mini-xbox on a chip" is clever, had already been done before, but is an expensive solution for backwards capability that would have to be retired. After which the Xbox compatibility ends but hopefully, enough time has passed that people let it go.
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vaibhavpisal
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Who wants cheap consoles?
Console users are all middle aged, they can pay more to get good quality hardware.
RetroGamingUK
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Of course we do, these OEMs won't make a penny from software sales, so the hardware must be sold at a profit, just like any other OEM PC.
Microsoft are clearly done with the subsidised hardware model.
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RetroGamingUK
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You'll be paying more for one of these "Xbox's" than you will for a PS6 with the same specs.
Look at Microsoft Surface prices, Microsoft make money on software on Windows, but Surfaces are priced as to not piss off laptop OEMs
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jm89
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If were are looking at from a sales perspective it's not looking good.
Most likely expensive so alot of casuals will be lost.
Also xbox has given up on pushing the series consoles, when does this new one come out? 2027? They will be loosing a shit ton of mindshare and marketshare in the meanwhile. Whilst sony are still heavily pushing the ps5 as shown by the discounts this year.
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vaibhavpisal
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Will see.
PS 6 will be closed ecosystem like Switch 2.
So a slight premium for this xbox ($100 or so) is warranted.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Does this mean that third parties will build machines that have both this "legacy" Xbox APU on board in addition (!) to say an x86 AMD CPU, or will the APU integrate the hw backwards compat from MS and just be one single main processing unit?
buenoblue
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Microsoft are charging £500/$600 for a 5 year old series x which by today's standards is pretty mid/low end performance. These new machines are gonna be like £800 and be a basically locked down gimped PC. Xbox is fucked lol.
Get fucking rid of Phil Spenser, get rid of gamepass, build a decent console and keep your games exclusive. sheesh.
Get fucking rid of Phil Spenser, get rid of gamepass, build a decent console and keep your games exclusive. sheesh.
The_Observer
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It's crazy that every day we get a retarded news from either Sony or Microsoft. But Microsoft is still winning in the retardation race, but only by an inch. They just don't know what they are doing.
jm89
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This dude i swear
Wasn't your ass tripping over to tell everyone how series s was so great?
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RetroGamingUK
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Were I a cost of living crisis.
A £100 difference would be the death knell for this device when it comes to the mass market.
Apart from Xbox Series users who are heavily invested in digital and Gamepass I don't know who this is for.
It's a very small market, maybe 10 million.
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PropellerEar
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clappedcheeks
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The walled garden is the reason these console manufacturers are able to subsidise hardware and why the video game industry exists. On top of that the cut they get allows more investment into the ecosystem, that being the hardware and software that takes a massive investment to create. Quite frankly it's the reason gaming has blown up the way it has over the last 20 years and the emergence of AAA games is because of what Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony have contributed because of their walled gardens. PC has been the beneficiary of that too as PC gaming was a different beast before the emergence of the modern console market.
What you're wishing for is essentially a market completely controlled by Microsoft. Do you think MS will not turn the screw and fuck over consumers once they have the market to themselves? They are not a charity, they're in it for profit as all publicly traded companies are.
You all go on about needing MS around to keep Sony from monopolising the market but have no qualms when it's MS.
Astray
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Almost certainly not gonna be to this device.
Let me elaborate: You have something like 30-35m Xbox Series devices in the wild, right? That means to a dev there is some worth to making the effort to ensure that your game runs well on these devices specifically. You have Xbox certification that you need to pass too for any patches etc.
Valve, Epic etc don't have a set hardware configuration to target, they provide no dev kits for you to validate your game, they have no certification process (if a game doesnt work for you, then you have the refund button).
That means the optimization for PC can vary greatly even when it's the same studio doing things.
The other thing you need to consider is the idea (at least as I understand it) has AMD tying their mobile roadmap to MS's designs, well AMD updates their mobile chips and APUs on a scale that's much faster than consoles typically do (2-4 years vs 7-8), and you have OEMs doing the actual building of devices, meaning AMD and said OEMs are gonna be releasing new devices every 2-4 years. Do you see the fragmentation of userbase spec that's going to happen here? You will eventually get to a situation where one game doesn't work on a 2026 Xbox, but works great on the 2028-2029 Xbox.
This fragmentation of experience is not something a console player wants, but it's basically impossible to promise the same level of optimization and reliability to the nu-Xbox userbase than it used to be in past gens. The tools and environment just aren't there anymore.
DeltaPolarBear
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Oh dear.
You don't seem to realize that MS currently loses $200 for ever Xbox sold. So it is naive to think that you will only be paying an extra $100.
DavidGzz
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If a PC with multiple storefronts is "gimped" what is a PC with one store front that is also "locked down"(Playstation)? Extra gimped? Also, screw exclusives. Anti-consumer trash that has kept Bloodborne gimped af for more than a decade.
PropellerEar
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Hello Tommy blue balls!
DenchDeckard
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Can you guys tell me what these new devices cost and what's coming out please?
How much more than a ps5 pro are they and how much more powerful?
Is Microsoft developing a new console or is it just these hybrid devices from leading manufacturers?
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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This seems like a legitimate question. If they're effectively a third party publisher now, and the Windows space is already theirs, why aren't they just telling their Xbox audience "we're done here, please move on"? What is so valuable to them in keeping a couple million people on Xbox hardware specifically?
DenchDeckard
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Because there is currently millions of users who have a catalogue of content that they want to keep having access to.
PC doesn't currently offer every game I own on the xbox eco system.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Yeah sure, but what does Microsoft gain from this? Especially considering the high costs associated with developing this APU solution and everything that comes with it.
Astray
Member
If MS kills Valve's burgeoning Linux-based OS efforts through strangling their marketshare, then Valve will have no option but to accept being beholden to Windows and reliant on it.
A Valve that is Windows-centric is a much easier target for Microsoft than a Valve that managed to get a decent portion of its users' spending on Linux (because not only does MS have to explicitly support Linux to be able to monetize these users via Gamepass).
O onQ123 is right, this is actually a cold war between Valve and Microsoft. And to that end, Microsoft is fundamentally repurposing the Xbox brand to protect Windows (notice how Sarah Bond explicitly mentions Windows in her video).
PlayStaytion
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But they made the ps5 the most profitable PlayStation console, you're basically playing with consumers values and this will get us to nowhere. remember when SH2 Remake being hated before it's release and after it's release being loved, that's right, PlayStation consumers wants evidence and they absolutely deserve it a %100.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
How about memory? How about the physical library? Amd can't provide that.
Astray
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Maintaining Windows hegemony over the PC market is essential to Microsoft in so many ways.
Windows is still the bedrock of all their other revenue (and a major source of it in itself too).
DeltaPolarBear
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In theory if they just cut the customers off cold turkey, they would lose the Gamepass money. Currently the highest tier Xbox Gamepass grants PC Gamepass licenses too. MS wants the highest paying customers to transfer to PC intact. The customers don't WANT to move, and MS is spending money trying to convince them.
The physical library is not a priority for Microsoft. Out of the three companies Microsoft cares for physical media the least. It is no surprise to anyone.
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vaibhavpisal
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Its a small merket I agree, mainly cause it wouldn't be marketed or produced in same quantities as PS6.
As for system itself, I think it will be a good one.
Compare Switch 2 with steam deck or rog ally. Those pc handhelds still have high value and very appealing.
PS5 pro doesn't seem to be heavily subsidised.
It remains to be seen how things shake up.
RetroGamingUK
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DeltaPolarBear
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PS5Pro doesn't run Steam. PS5 Pro is still expecting to make Sony money by making you buy games for it. This is not true for the Xbox Hybrid. You are not understanding what you are getting into.
Currently, Xbox hardware is sold at a loss. The next machine sold at a profit means both the profit margin AND the loss no longer existing. A different poster estimate Series S that is currently sold at $300 would likely be sold at $600 if it was to be for profit with no expected game income later.
DenchDeckard
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Retaining the customers they already have and also, just maybe......Gaining customers who want to play old Xbox games etc?
vaibhavpisal
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VolticArchangel
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The profile of this user on GAF is 20 years old, almost, with more than 10K posts.
So, not a new user and I havent seen him active, in many threads recently, so it's possible he went to Era after the exodus.
Can someone check his credentials, track record if he's leaked anything in the past or maybe OP can verify his status with the staff or
EviLore
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So far, the OP sounds like the breifed version of the infamous discord leak of Xbox's future plans.
So, not a new user and I havent seen him active, in many threads recently, so it's possible he went to Era after the exodus.
Can someone check his credentials, track record if he's leaked anything in the past or maybe OP can verify his status with the staff or
EviLore
?So far, the OP sounds like the breifed version of the infamous discord leak of Xbox's future plans.
DeltaPolarBear
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Xbox Series as a whole is being extremely inefficient in terms of manufacturing. We don't know what went wrong, but Sony managed to keep the cost down with hardware but Microsoft failed to do the same. So MS is losing more money selling Xbox Series than you would expect.
Kvally
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RetroGamingUK
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Xbox Series already failed in that regard
DenchDeckard
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It's almost like a new product could be better than the last one. Crazy concept I know.
It could also be worse, but I am willing to see.
I went from a wii u to a switch.
demigod
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Ex microsoft employeeThe profile of this user on GAF is 20 years old, almost, with more than 10K posts.
So, not a new user and I havent seen him active, in many threads recently, so it's possible he went to Era after the exodus.
Can someone check his credentials, track record if he's leaked anything in the past or maybe OP can verify his status with the staff or
So far, the OP sounds like the breifed version of the infamous discord leak of Xbox's future plans.
Topher
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He was not calling it a "Cold War", but I'm not going to push the issue. Doesn't matter
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DenchDeckard
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Is this the new narrative that is being made. That Microsoft and Valve are now at war?
jm89
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DeltaPolarBear
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Depending on how serious you think it is that Steam OS run games better than Windows at the moment.
The way i see it i can't lose if Ms is forced to cur bloat from Windows.
Steve Holt
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Microsoft has never liked competition especially in the OS space, can imagine some of this effort is to combat the momentum being gained from Steam OS.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
They did nothing good for the industry.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Both are likely 2027, but I do know (and other people like
HeisenbergFX4
have mentioned it too) that Microsoft wants to get ahead of PS6 so 2026 could be possible, specially given they're releasing all their big titles next year (Halo CE Remake, Forza Horizon 6, Gears of War E-Day).MS/Sony vastly overstate the degree of customizations they make, most of the time it's re-adding features that AMD removed in recent architectures to enable backwards compatibility or removing features they don't use. In terms of actual CPU or GPU performance it's 99% AMD's work that matter.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
They did nothing good for the industry.
Only damages. Paid online, Gamepass training beggars and making games impossible to profit. Death of exclusives which is bad because exclusives were good.
Oh.... and their games suck ass.
So yeah. when they do what they are promising now and when it will result in a good outcome, then you can brag about that part. Not yet.
As for me - open console market is THE WORST that can happen to a console. It's no longer a console.
