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Now that the PS4 has already outsold the Wii U, where does Nintendo go from here?

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Nintendo tries again next time.

The only question I have is when is next time?

At its current pace I can't see that being any more than 3 years.
 
Iwata became president in 2002, not 2004, and before that he was the head of "Planning" and was supposedly a key figure in the design of the GameCube.

NOA was largely responsible for hooking up with Silicon Graphics and the N64 (not the decision to use carts). That relationship gave birth to the ArtX graphics card in the GameCube, which was the only real strength of the GameCube, and pretty much carried the system. NOA also hooked up with a lot of the Western developers who made the N64 worth owning. The N64 was all about Mario and Zelda, but it was also the Halo box (back when such a thing was called Goldeneye) and had a lock on the developers who would go on to make Grand Theft Auto.

NCL decided that NOA needed to be "managed", so they made Iwata the head of "Planning" in 2000, and he took over third party relations (and subsequently killed them) and made sure that the GameCube reflected Nintendo's flawed ideals. Yamauchi, not Iwata, was directly responsible for the selling of Rare, but NOA were the ones who brought Rare into the fold. Yamauchi might have kept them around if he had been listening to NOA instead of Iwata.


The DS, as a strategy to counter to the PSP, supposedly came from Yamauchi himself, as did the idea of dual screens.

Waggle was in the pipeline as a late-life GameCube add-on, and AFAIK it was Iwata's decision to keep it in reserve and use it for a GameCube relaunch (which was his idea, and became the Wii). Waggle's origins don't lie with Iwata, but it's successful implementation does.

Sad thing is NOA is a shell of it's former self. Giving the current NOA management team more power and independence will result in less localized games from NCL (Do people really want to live through the Xenoblade fiasco again?) and more money spent on getting year old ports with pointless tacked on gimmicks.
 
I want to see a new Nintendo console in Fall 2015 with Zelda as a launch title. Zelda can skip the Wii U entirely, I don't care. The Wii U is a poorly thought out sinking ship and Nintendo needs to move on as soon as possible.

I can't stress enough just how much this is NOT going to happen. People need to stop suggesting it. From a business perspective it is totally unfeasible. In abandoning a console 3 years into its life-cycle you are tarnishing your brand beyond repair. How can you convince consumers to invest in a 300-600 dollar machine down the line when the precedent has been set for dropping all support for their products a couple of years in? How about the stock holders? Do you think they're going to jump on Nintendo's bandwagon again if they pulled a stunt like this? Then there's the cost and development time for a new console, which you will then pitch to a market that could in no conceivable way be colder towards your brand.

What are they going to do? Reimburse Wii U owners? What you are suggesting is essentially corporate suicide. The Wii U isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Get used to it.
 
In abandoning a console 3 years into its life-cycle you are tarnishing your brand beyond repair.

Continuing to support the Wii U is tarnishing your brand beyond repair.

Atleast putting out a new product with new vision shows a willingness to change, adapt, and respond to the market in a timely fashion.
 

HooYaH

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Nintendo tries again next time.

The only question I have is when is next time?

At its current pace I can't see that being any more than 3 years.

I do wonder if Nintendo will approach their next handheld as a merger between the portable and console experience. Instead of the console is mirroring to the gamepad, what if the handheld mirrors to the television? With this approach, Nintendo devs relies only on one platform instead of splitting their development.
 

Bgamer90

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Heh, yeah Nintendo needs to release a new console in 2015!

I mean, it isn't like there's many things that Nintendo has done already to discourage people from buying their consoles...

Yep -- cut support during the same time that many people will have a PS4 or Xbox One alongside those systems getting amazing games (the 3rd year of a gen is usually amazing). Do all of that plus anger people who bought a Wii U (even more). Smart.

Anyway, all that Nintendo can do at this point is hope that the core Nintendo games do well, rebrand the system (new logos & ads), and make a new Wii U model that cuts the cost of the gamepad by as much as possible to get the system price down ($200 or less would be ideal at this point). It's in a really bad spot but introducing its successor just a year from now would be crazy from a business standpoint. They would be in the same predicament as Sega due to all of the various systems (Wii U, Wii U 2, 3DS, 2DS).
 

Mik317

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Continuing to support the Wii U is tarnishing your brand beyond repair.

Atleast putting out a new product with new vision shows a willingness to change, adapt, and respond to the market in a timely fashion.

You act like they can just pull a system out of their ass .

That shit takes at the very least 2 years and judging by the lack of software for the Wii's last 2 years....not sure why people think dropping the Wii U and shitting out a new system as fast as possible is the best idea...shit it may not even be possible.
 

MYE

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Continuing to support the Wii U is tarnishing your brand beyond repair.

Atleast putting out a new product with new vision shows a willingness to change, adapt, and respond to the market in a timely fashion.

Supporting a platform isn't tarnishing anything. Dropping it over a year after release however, is.
Its the dumbest thing they could do so I at least take comfort in knowing this idea only floats around in the weird side of some game forums
 
You act like they can just pull a system out of their ass .

That shit takes at the very least 2 years and judging by the lack of software for the Wii's last 2 years....not sure why people think dropping the Wii U and shitting out a new system as fast as possible is the best idea...shit it may not even be possible.

There's also no indication that Nintendo would be able to support it. The biggest problem with Wii U is a lack of software. How is making a more powerful console going to help Nintendo support this platform when they had difficulty moving to the level of hardware of the Wii U, not to mention potentially different architectures?

If the idea is that third parties will magically jump on board something more powerful, I reject that premise.
 
Heh, yeah Nintendo needs to release a new console in 2015!

I mean, it isn't like there's many things that Nintendo has done already to discourage people from buying their consoles...

Yep -- cut support during the same time that many people will have a PS4 or Xbox One alongside those systems getting amazing games (the 3rd year of a gen is usually amazing). Do all of that plus anger people who bought a Wii U (even more). Smart.
Very smart :p
 
Continuing to support the Wii U is tarnishing your brand beyond repair.

Atleast putting out a new product with new vision shows a willingness to change, adapt, and respond to the market in a timely fashion.

So you've basically disregarded my entire argument then. What a productive way to conduct a discussion.
 
Just like the gamecube, even if they have their hardware ready, no way in hell that they'll be able to get their software ready in time. Unless they're willing to pay stacks of money for ports or move all WiiU software to it which would be a giant gamble that could crush them.

They can't do it. It's far too risky for them, they'll grit their teeth and bear it until the next gen comes. Riding it out is their only option.
 

Mik317

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There's also no indication that Nintendo would be able to support it. The biggest problem with Wii U is a lack of software. How is making a more powerful console going to help Nintendo support this platform when they had difficulty moving to the level of hardware of the Wii U, not to mention potentially different architectures?

If the idea is that third parties will magically jump on board something more powerful, I reject that premise.

....I agree, Did you quote me by mistake?

That's exactly why shitting out a new system super fast is a bad idea.
 
It's too late. Nintendo will have to be content to be a niche product that will cater to their own fanbase. Nobody is going to switch from Xbox or Playstation to Nintendo, especially since most or all games are including online elements in some way. Can you imagine going from PSN or LIVE to whatever Nintendo has for an online service? That would be like going back to the horse and buggy.

If Nintendo hits lighting in the bottle twice they can compete with the casual audience in hand, but I doubt that could ever happen again. Casuals moved to tablets.
 
Supporting a platform isn't tarnishing anything. Dropping it over a year after release however, is.
Its the dumbest thing they could do so I at least take comfort in knowing this idea only floats around in the weird side of some game forums

I expect it to have a slightly truncated lifespan.

It's not likely to get to a GCN five year. They ain't killing it yet though. They need to see if Kart and Smash are going to cause any sign of life. But year three I expect to be hearing news of a new Nintendo console, and year 4 is when it will release. U games will probably be cancelled en masse and moved to that new platform.
 
If they had all the Wii VC games on the Wii U VC I'd probably have a Wii U. But they have a shell of a list of those games that were available on the Wii.
 

NateDrake

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Nintendo tries again next time.

The only question I have is when is next time?

At its current pace I can't see that being any more than 3 years.

4 years. MS killed the Xbox after 4yrs and if the Wii U continues to struggle, I see Nintendo doing the same. A new Nintendo home console by late 2016 is the earliest possibility.
 

Bgamer90

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It's too late. Nintendo will have to be content to be a niche product that will cater to their own fanbase. Nobody is going to switch from Xbox or Playstation to Nintendo, especially since most or all games are including online elements in some way. Can you imagine going from PSN or LIVE to whatever Nintendo has for an online service? That would be like going back to the horse and buggy.

Sadly, I think this is true. They just waited too long to get into online gaming trends. Now they don't have a huge userbase and therefore as you already said, it would be pretty silly to go from PSN and/or XBL to Nintendo Online.

They still need to change their outdated account/digital purchase system too.
 
4 years. MS killed the Xbox after 4yrs and if the Wii U continues to struggle, I see Nintendo doing the same. A new Nintendo home console by late 2016 is the earliest possibility.

The problem I have with this is where in the world are the games for this going to come out? Will the online infrastructure be ready on time? Will 3rd parties not even bother with ports because of the WiiU's early software sales? Nintendo isn't equipped with enough people.

I mean releasing in 2016 means that they have to start development of games right now, and as far as I know they haven't even finished moving into their new building yet.

EDIT: I also realize that pulling Twilight Princess might seem like an attractive option, but Nintendo wants to go a different, unified architecture in their next devices (ARM?) so I don't think that will work.
 
4 years. MS killed the Xbox after 4yrs and if the Wii U continues to struggle, I see Nintendo doing the same. A new Nintendo home console by late 2016 is the earliest possibility.
Three years from now would be four years.

Around the time I expect to see a new Nintendo platform on shelves.
 

Aostia

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Waiting a month to open the topic was hard, I see..wii success still hurts..

Btw, they need to find a way to sell the console at a profit and propose games for the fans in order to stop losses of money and fate from the crowd

this console must be exploited to regain trust from the old potential fans to prepare a more financially solid project with
the next home hw
 

NateDrake

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The problem I have with this is where in the world are the games for this going to come out? Will the online infrastructure be ready on time? Will 3rd parties not even bother with ports because of the WiiU's early software sales? Nintendo isn't equipped with enough people.

I mean releasing in 2016 means that they have to start development of games right now, and as far as I know they haven't even finished moving into their new building yet.

Like I said, 2016 is the earliest possibility. I think 2017 is the most likely scenario, but part of it also will depend on the 3DS' successors release date. They won't release two new platforms in one year as software development would likely be too much for them to handle.
 
Three years from now would be four years.

Around the time I expect to see a new Nintendo platform on shelves.

I agree. Gives the 3DS a 6 year life and the Wii U a 4 year life. These two lifecycles coincide almost serendipitously...

Like I said, 2016 is the earliest possibility. I think 2017 is the most likely scenario, but part of it also will depend on the 3DS' successors release date. They won't release two new platforms in one year as software development would likely be too much for them to handle.

Unless the two platforms are actually the same.
 
Nintendo caught lightning in a bottle with the Wii. I don't see that happening again. 3 of last 4 home systems they've released have been greatly outsold by Sony systems.

I honestly think they should focus on handheld which they do very well. They need to change something when it comes to home consoles. I don't know what. The Nintendo name in the home console market seems snakebitten to me.
 
I would agree with 2017 for launch of both their 9th gen devices so they can push the whole unified experience and connectivity feature.

Makes too much sense at this point.
 
I honestly think instead of getting rid of one of their hardware revenue streams (since that's reportedly where Nintendo makes their money) they'll consolidate their software. Two platforms that literally play the same games, one at higher fidelity, but transferable between the two.
 

Log4Girlz

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I would agree with 2017 for launch of both their 9th gen devices so they can push the whole unified experience and connectivity feature.

Makes too much sense at this point.

A year too late. They cannot wait eons to release new hardware.

I honestly think instead of getting rid of one of their hardware revenue streams (since that's reportedly where Nintendo makes their money) they'll consolidate their software. Two platforms that literally play the same games, one at higher fidelity, but transferable between the two.

I've been saying something similar quite a bit, the only difference being that the console could still play "console games" but take handheld games and up the IQ, lighting etc.
 

Spaghetti

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we'll see what happens after their portable and home console development wings merge into one

obvious choice would be one machine, but they'll either fuck it up or do something brilliantly different
 
I don't have a problem with the WiiU itself as long as it is kept $100 or more cheaper than the other consoles.

The one thing I wish they would do differently is invest a lot more into dev studios to make exclusive games that appeal to a wider audience. Most of their big franchise games are great games but just relying on Mario and Zelda isn't going to sell systems. They need a wide variety of exclusive quality games including ones that are aimed more towards adults.

If people see all these great games that can only be played on a WiiU and the fact that it's at least $100 cheaper, preferably $200 cheaper than a PS4 then the fact that it isn't the powerhouse that the other 2 consoles are starts to be less relevant.

That's pretty much a pipe dream tho because Nintendo seems to only only care about making the next Mario / Zelda / Mario Kart etc instead of branching out and having a wide variety of exclusive games.


For the record I recently purchased a WiiU and have no desire to purchase a PS4 or Xbone any time in the near future. I bought a WiiU for the Nintendo franchises, everything else I prefer playing on PC.
 

Anth0ny

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The problem I have with this is where in the world are the games for this going to come out? Will the online infrastructure be ready on time? Will 3rd parties not even bother with ports because of the WiiU's early software sales? Nintendo isn't equipped with enough people.

I mean releasing in 2016 means that they have to start development of games right now, and as far as I know they haven't even finished moving into their new building yet.

EDIT: I also realize that pulling Twilight Princess might seem like an attractive option, but Nintendo wants to go a different, unified architecture in their next devices (ARM?) so I don't think that will work.

They should be busting their asses to get a new console ready for Holiday 2016. Every team should be moving on from Wii U as soon as they finish their game, either to 3DS or the next console. I can't fathom why they would even think about putting another Mario or Retro game on a system that is doomed to sell no more than 15 million units. Total waste of resources at this point, barring a miracle.

The way I see it right now, 2015 is going to be like Wii's 2011. Zelda as the big game, and maybe a Kirby and some other smaller games sprinkled here and there. Maybe SMT x FE and Yarn Yoshi?

What the fuck would they have for 2016? That's a Wii 2012 year right there. Absolutely nothing for the entire year besides... Mario Party? I guess we got the Operation Rainfall games but sales-wise they were non-factors. That's when you put out the new console.
With a new EAD Tokyo Mario at launch ^_^

Xbox -> Xbox 360 was a 4 year cycle. Wii U will sell less than Xbox. It needs to happen. The questions you ask are definitely valid, and it won't be easy, but I think it's a better strategy than trying to drag the Wii U's corpse for an additional year.

Nintendo caught lightning in a bottle with the Wii. I don't see that happening again. 3 of last 4 home systems they've released have been greatly outsold by Sony systems.

I honestly think they should focus on handheld which they do very well. They need to change something when it comes to home consoles. I don't know what. The Nintendo name in the home console market seems snakebitten to me.

They need third parties. The downfall started when the third parties left them (N64), and barring a fucking industry altering phenomenon like motion controls and the Wii, they aren't going to be massively successful trying to sell a console that doesn't have GTA, sports games, the best version of COD, the best version of Ass Creed, etc.
 
Honestly? Nintendo needs to change the way they look at the industry.

Games are becoming less and less about the box that's under the TV and more about what games and services you can deliver. But Nintendo is still stuck in the 90's. They are a generation behind in their graphical rendering tech and 2 generations behind in their online offerings.

So what do they do?

First: Nintendo has to realise that Nintendo is Disney and Mario is Mickey mouse! The Nintendo name and IP's goes beyond just video games and have actual cultural significance that can not be matched by any other company. Because they did it better and earlier then anyone else. The longer Nintendo IP's continue to languish on a Nintendo Box that no one cares about. Or continuing in a shrinking and changing "dedicated' handheld market. The less people will care about them.

Second: Due to their unique position, Nintendo can stop worrying about putting out a box. Yes this means having their IP's grace other companies platforms. I know when people talk about Nintendo going third-party, they have flashbacks to the train wreck that was Sega. But Sega was no Nintendo. And nether is Sony or Microsoft for that matter! Stop wasting time and resources on new hardware when existing platforms will allow them to realise their creative vision without having to put a new box and more importantly, maintain a platform.

Let someone else do the dirty work Nintendo! Let someone else invest in, build a box and maintain the network. Nintendo needs to just concentrate on doing what it does best. MAKE GREAT GAMES. And get those games out to as many people on as many platforms as possible! Why should Nintendo care how people are playing their software? As long as people are buying a it from them.

Nintendo, if you devise some new ingenious way to interact with games? Then sale a unique controller for someone else's box on the power of your name. In theory, the WiiU pad could have been made to work on the PS4, and Sony would have bent over backwards, forwards, and sideways to make it happen. Nintendo You're the only ones that do get away with it because your Disney!

Hell even Sony realizes that"Playstation" has to mean something other then the box other our TV going forwards. Playstation Now will expand their platform outside their Box to Google's and Apple's platforms! Playstation, at its Best is a great platform where people got to play games. Nintendo at their best is a great game studio and entertains people.

Or to put it another way. Sony and Microsoft, at their best are the Movie theater chains. Nintendo at their best are the Movie studio that puts out the quality block busters every summer. Sony, Nintendo, Apple, Google will build the seats. Nintendo should just look to fill those seats.

Nintendo has to do what they did decades ago. Don't be afraid to change their business model! Then they went from a Toy maker/card company to a video game company. At that time, Nintendo Had to build a box because the video game console that they needed to fulfill their game's vision didn't exist. So they had to make it themselves. That is No longer the case! The industry has completely moved away from exotic hardware and unique architectures. All the Consoles and PC platform are more alike then ever!

Take advantage of the vanilla nature's of PC's and consoles Nintendo! Bring your unique vision to as many people as possible. You fill those seats. Let someone else maintain the building.
 

aTTckr

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The whole Nintendo should release some of their backlog on mobile is old, I know. However if they would release an old Mario/Zelda for phones and tablets, they can fill those games with ads that something like "you like this handheld version of this, why don't you go out and buy the real thing (3d world/WW HD) on our new home console, the wii u". This could help create new demand for the wii u, especially with the casual/ less informed customers.
 

Megaman765

Neo Member
Hey maybe the Wii U will pull a 3DS on us? The 3DS had an awful start but later it has one of the biggest libraries of awesome games around and seemed to help its sales. Or that could be because of Pokemon. I sure hope they buff their library drasticly because the only reason I'm playing my Wii U right now is Super Mario 3D world and Monster Hunter 3 ultimate. About a year in and I'm only playing two games :/
 

Chindogg

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Honestly? Nintendo needs to change the way they look at the industry.

Games are becoming less and less about the box that's under the TV and more about what games and services you can deliver. But Nintendo is still stuck in the 90's. They are a generation behind in their graphical rendering tech and 2 generations behind in their online offerings.

So what do they do?

First: Nintendo has to realise that Nintendo is Disney and Mario is Mickey mouse! The Nintendo name and IP's goes beyond just video games and have actual cultural significance that can not be matched by any other company. Because they did it better and earlier then anyone else. The longer Nintendo IP's continue to languish on a Nintendo Box that no one cares about. Or continuing in a shrinking and changing "dedicated' handheld market. The less people will care about them.

Second: Due to their unique position, Nintendo can stop worrying about putting out a box. Yes this means having their IP's grace other companies platforms. I know when people talk about Nintendo going third-party, they have flashbacks to the train wreck that was Sega. But Sega was no Nintendo. And nether is Sony or Microsoft for that matter! Stop wasting time and resources on new hardware when existing platforms will allow them to realise their creative vision without having to put a new box and more importantly, maintain a platform.

Let someone else do the dirty work Nintendo! Let someone else invest in, build a box and maintain the network. Nintendo needs to just concentrate on doing what it does best. MAKE GREAT GAMES. And get those games out to as many people on as many platforms as possible! Why should Nintendo care how people are playing their software? As long as people are buying a it from them.

Nintendo, if you devise some new ingenious way to interact with games? Then sale a unique controller for someone else's box on the power of your name. In theory, the WiiU pad could have been made to work on the PS4, and Sony would have bent over backwards, forwards, and sideways to make it happen. Nintendo You're the only ones that do get away with it because your Disney!

Hell even Sony realizes that"Playstation" has to mean something other then the box other our TV going forwards. Playstation Now will expand their platform outside their Box to Google's and Apple's platforms! Playstation, at its Best is a great platform where people got to play games. Nintendo at their best is a great game studio and entertains people.

Or to put it another way. Sony and Microsoft, at their best are the Movie theater chains. Nintendo at their best are the Movie studio that puts out the quality block busters every summer. Sony, Nintendo, Apple, Google will build the seats. Nintendo should just look to fill those seats.

Nintendo has to do what they did decades ago. Don't be afraid to change their business model! Then they went from a Toy maker/card company to a video game company. At that time, Nintendo Had to build a box because the video game console that they needed to fulfill their game's vision didn't exist. So they had to make it themselves. That is No longer the case! The industry has completely moved away from exotic hardware and unique architectures. All the Consoles and PC platform are more alike then ever!

Take advantage of the vanilla nature's of PC's and consoles Nintendo! Bring your unique vision to as many people as possible. You fill those seats. Let someone else maintain the building.

This has to be the longest Nintendo should go 3rd party post ever. It even managed to include some specific port begging as well!

Kudos to you sir.

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Log4Girlz

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The whole Nintendo should release some of their backlog on mobile is old, I know. However if they would release an old Mario/Zelda for phones and tablets, they can fill those games with ads that something like "you like this handheld version of this, why don't you go out and buy the real thing (3d world/WW HD) on our new home console, the wii u". This could help create new demand for the wii u, especially with the casual/ less informed customers.

Nintendo either goes full mobile or not at all, when it comes to releasing whole games.
 
Do a apple, just reinvent the wiiu, thinner tablet, console box is slightly smaller. Build the sensor bar into the front or something

new name, lower price
 
Imagine the Ambassador Program for current Wii U owners if Nintendo really is secretly planning a more powerful console for next year :p
 

Log4Girlz

Member
That's why you need third-party support. Nintendo doesn't have enough studios to release high quality games every month.

“I’ve been told that Sony won over Nintendo by surrounding itself with software companies, and I will admit that situation was there in the past. However, times have changed, and it’s no longer a race to see how many useless companies you can get on your side.” said Yamauchi."
 

Griss

Member
Holy shit, next few months are going to be fucking rough for Wii-U owners. That can't be all there is, right?

It's so bad that I've bought Pikmin 3 and I'm holding it back for a time in the year when there's been a two month drought and I have that thirst. I have plenty to play right now, so it makes sense to keep a good Wii U game back, like a squirrel storing a nut for a long, cold, 3rd party-less winter.
 

Kimppis

Member
Discussing the reality that the Wii U is struggling and also the possibility of it ultimately failing does not equate to "Nintendo is Doomed!" I don't remember the last time I saw somebody say Nintendo was doomed outside of those defending Nintendo and claiming others are saying it, or as an obvious jest. I wish people would stop using it as a way to arbitrarily dismiss the problems Nintendo is facing with the Wii U, as some kind of extremist viewpoint.

Yeah, and it's gonna be hard for them them to stay (or become?) relevant in home consoles in the future. They invented the Wii, so I guess everything is possible, though. You can argue that the Wii U is just part of the trend N64 -> GC -> Wii U, where the OG Wii was just an expection. Hardcore Nintendo crowd is probably even smaller than during the Gamecube and the Wii U sales have kinda proved that.

Nintendo might have massive amount of cash in the bank, but that doesn't magically mean that they can develop a succesful home system again. It doesn't matter, if nobody buys their hardware. But I suppose it means that they can afford a few failures.
 
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