Stripper13
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XiaNaphryz said:I just said all that.
My bad
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NPD Sales Results For November 2010 [Update 6: PSP, PS2, Move Games]
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My bad
EmCeeGramr
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I wonder what would happen if Sony meetings discussing sales and earnings were like NPD-Age posts.
"So, Gran Turismo 5 looks like it underperformed, and the PS3 did terribly for the November month."
"UH, of course it did, we didn't have any games and didn't market GT5 right and we really haven't sold as many PS3s this generation as we sold PS2s last generation so of course our games will sell less."
"...Yes, yes those are all true. So what?"
"SO, the bad sales don't really count and I'm a crazy person"
"So, Gran Turismo 5 looks like it underperformed, and the PS3 did terribly for the November month."
"UH, of course it did, we didn't have any games and didn't market GT5 right and we really haven't sold as many PS3s this generation as we sold PS2s last generation so of course our games will sell less."
"...Yes, yes those are all true. So what?"
"SO, the bad sales don't really count and I'm a crazy person"
Lion Heart
Banned
PSGames said:
Huh? This part is wrong on so many levels. For one thing, GT5 sales are on par with their predecessors AT LEAST relative to its time on shelves. Second, look at my post above, look how bad GoW sold in March 2005. Compare that to GoW3. Third, PS3 first party besides GT, has NEVER been mega blockbusters. If someone wants to get hard data to compare PS3 First party to past gens, I think it would favour the PS3.
EmCeeGramr
Member
truespeed you do realize a former turn 10 employee responded to your post right
soundscream
Member
EmCeeGramr said:
AranhaHunter
Banned
I just have to say that the DS is such a motherfucking beast that even when the 360 outsell the PS3 by a factor of ~2.5, outsells the Wii in November.......and the DS still beats it, and it's such a common thing that no one even talks about it.
goldenpp72
Member
AranhaHunter said:
It's like talking about how helpful air is really, nothing really beats the ds. the wii and 360 combined might be higher than DS WW, lol.
Shurs said:
This is really a valid point IMHO. On black Friday I got a copy of Fable 3 and NFS: Hot Persuit ONLY because they were for $35 each. I would never get them at full price. I believe that I was not alone as I got the very last copy of Fable 3 and there was only 2 left of NFS at the Target I went to.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
EmCeeGramr said:
shhhhhhhhh
let it go on, more fun that way.
Dreams-Visions
Member
some people don't know when to stop digging. they dig until they've buried themselves.EmCeeGramr said:
it's sad when you see it happening.
Ogrekiller
Member
T Ghost said:
To be fair even if GT5 was being sold for $35 people would still feel justified in calling it bomba.
Dreams-Visions
Member
how big was the PS2 install base by 2005?shinnn said:
DrForester
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old one of mine from E3, but it seems appropriate.
Lion Heart said:
Yeah, and that's true for Microsoft with Halo as well. GT5 is exceeding expectations in Europe, doing poorer in Japan, and seems to be doing about as well as GT4 did in a similar time frame in the US.
Only Nintendo can truly boast of having multiple mega blockbusters.
Sony's numbers this month, while poor, aren't anywhere near the disaster levels some people are crowing about. 25% down YoY, but I recall last year's PS3 Black Friday bundles being insane and this year they were very ho-hum. PS3's numbers just look particularly poor in comparison to the 360's outstanding numbers in the US.
But even so, Sony certainly doesn't need to cut the price until fall of next year. They're still on track to hit 15 million sales world wide this year, which is much higher than the 360 will do even with absolutely stellar US sales.
bigtroyjon
Member
Lion Heart said:
The first game in a franchise is pretty much a worthless comparison to a heavily hyped sequel. GOW 3 would be a far better example to use. First game on the new platform. How did that game do?
PistolGrip
sex vacation in Guam
these numbers are horrendous for SONY... holy cow.
Expect new (slimmer?) hardware and price cut next year or else they can kiss second place good bye.
Expect new (slimmer?) hardware and price cut next year or else they can kiss second place good bye.
nextgeneration
Member
Dreams-Visions said:
~27.68 mil
goldenpp72
Member
Letters said:This has been a fun NPD thread to slowly catch up to, so much damage control from every side. :lol
simple and uncreative
Needs a kinect shopped on top of the truck
Lion Heart
Banned
PSGames said:
Oh absolutely, their image in NA is not that great. $199 would make it competitive with 360 but they would bleed like crazy, I doubt they will ever be at parity in price.
Dreams-Visions
Member
very interesting.nextgeneration said:
Castle Doctrine
Member
GT5 should have been released at the end of 2009 anyway. It took way too long to develop, to then only get review scores that were less than expected. In the meantime people were playing all sorts of quality racing games. Then when it's finally about to be released, it's botched and delayed again. The amount of times Sony has shot themselves in the foot this gen is ridiculous. Their feet look like swiss cheese.
nextgeneration
Member
Zoe said:
With the main difference being the ps3's installed base = 14.25 mil vs ps2's installed base = 27.68 mil.
Shurs said:
The argument that things went wrong.
You make it seem like it was a total uphill battle from the start. I agree with the things you listed, just seems that if you are going to make a nice comprehensive looking list like that then for objectivity's sake that you should list the reasons it should have performed better than it did.
Hawk269
Member
At this point in the ballgame, no matter what Sony tries to do, MS can counter it.
Sony tries to do a price drop, MS can counter with a bigger cut and still make more of a profit on the system.
The 360 has such a massive attachement ratio that no 3rd party in their right mind would make a game exclusive for the PS3 knowing they can make a fortune with a 360 version as well.
Kinect launched and sparked the casuals while the Move Sony just released and did not much with it.
At this time, I don't see what Sony can do other than drop the price so low that they lose major money on each system, I am talking like $149.99 or so. Even with that MS can still counter with the 4gig unit.
Blown away by the 360 numbers though...still impressive after 5 years and with Kinect, I think they really can survive a while longer without a new console.
Sony tries to do a price drop, MS can counter with a bigger cut and still make more of a profit on the system.
The 360 has such a massive attachement ratio that no 3rd party in their right mind would make a game exclusive for the PS3 knowing they can make a fortune with a 360 version as well.
Kinect launched and sparked the casuals while the Move Sony just released and did not much with it.
At this time, I don't see what Sony can do other than drop the price so low that they lose major money on each system, I am talking like $149.99 or so. Even with that MS can still counter with the 4gig unit.
Blown away by the 360 numbers though...still impressive after 5 years and with Kinect, I think they really can survive a while longer without a new console.
Pureauthor
Member
Y'know, after all's said and done with the crazies like Truespeed, I hope we still get more numbers throughout the day/weekend.
Dreams-Visions
Member
lowering the price isn't an option, as it wouldn't work anyway. they've done price drops. the competition simply drops theirs in kind.Hawk269 said:
Bay Maximus
Banned
clashfan said:
This is how it's done folks. I tip my hat to you, dear sir. Well done.
