CuNi
Member
For 4k, there is DLSS on NVIDIA, which does a tremendous job at upscaling and it will only get better in the future.
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For 4k, there is DLSS on NVIDIA, which does a tremendous job at upscaling and it will only get better in the future.
BluRayHiDef
Banned
There's no guarantee that every game will support DLSS.
CuNi
Member
We can be sure that the big games will, and those will be the ones really hitting GPUs.
DLSS is here to stay and it will only get introduced to more and more games.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Right. By the time games that require more vram than 3080 have to run properly... they would run 15 fps anyway. And it will be years. Like.. at least 3 but probably more since ps5 and xbox one x dont have that much more vram since it's shared.
Look at 1080. It's still good
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llien
Member
In other words, for 4k there is upscaling.
Except this time 4k is base for consoles, for 4k there is pretty much any GPU faster than 2080sup.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I doubt many games will run pure 4k but will use checkerboarding etc. DLSS is superior.
But new cards can do native 4k no problem for now of course
llien
Member
Which game supports both checkboarding and TAA + Some NN, so that we can compare?
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I think god of war on ps4 pro and Death Stranding on ps4 pro but I am not sure. On pc no game has checkerboarding. Only TAA or other
Kenpachii
Member
They pulled this garbage off already a few times now, i have zero faith in them releasing a higher gb version directly out of the gate. They probably wait for the 4000 series for that or maybe next year. Who knows with them.
Hostile_18
Banned
How much would you guys pay for a 2080ti these days? Is the performance massively below the 3080 for 4k 60fps gaming? (Hdmi 2.0). Given the stock shortages thought maybe I could get a good deal on that card, is it worth it in 2020?
Bolivar687
Banned
October: "3080 is the flagship, 3090 is just for a very small niche"
November: "AMD can't compete, because they have nothing to go up against the 3090"
November: "AMD can't compete, because they have nothing to go up against the 3090"
pr0cs
Member
I was really close at pulling a trigger at 675USD for a used card with 2 year warranty, just felt high considering how close it was to 'official' 3080 prices so I chickened out. He sold it 2-3 days later so people are buying them at around that price.
I kinda feel bad for those people who paid retail on 2080TIs, it has to hurt bad to basically take a bath on their resale value. I suppose the price of the 3080 murdered the used market for all cards though.
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Rbk_3
Member
Hard to feel too sorry for them. New Generation of GPUs come out every other fall. It was known that Ampre was coming.
Ascend
Member
It's not a Titan replacement if certain features that are normally supported on Titan cards are deliberately disabled.
Rikkori
Member
$500 or less, depending on warranty. Still better than a 3070 but with no warranty it's meh to pay an equivalent sum.
If NV had called it a Titan then they could sell it for more money. That they chose not to tells us everything we need to know.
Also as Ascend says they disabled features that are usually found on Titan cards which they would not have done if it was designed to be the next titan.
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BluRayHiDef
Banned
The RTX 3090 is a rebranded 3080Ti.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Exactly. It is the replacement for the 2080Ti, not the Titan. It is overpriced based on its performance and makes the supposed 20GB cards awkward to price. They would need to cover the cost of 10 more GB or expensive ram and get no real performance gains in games. Maybe they work as a product with binned chips only and suped up coolers for 1100.
pawel86ck
Banned
regawdless
Banned
I gave up on the hunt for these cards. I have orders with unknown delivery dates and will simply wait until one gets actually send out.
I don't have it in me anymore to keep looking for drops, to be there during the exact 5 seconds until everything is gone.
I don't have it in me anymore to keep looking for drops, to be there during the exact 5 seconds until everything is gone.
sertopico
Member
Middle/End october we will get a restock. Just be patient people!
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Holy cow, 15GB VRAM at 4K with texture pack. I wonder if it's real usage or just allocation
wow that framerate. I think I was getting like 50fps on 2070 in the demo.
Btw - is this game worth playing now?
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Armorian
Banned
Yep, there will be Ampere Titan for ~3k probably (with 48GB of VRAM). 3090 doesn't have Titan drivers even...
I think it's fairly good with all the DLCs that added to the story (Ardyn especially). Better than XIII series for sure.
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SantaC
Member
He is not wrong that samsung 8nm isnt as good as TSMC 7nm
Ulysses 31
Member
Some funky things must be happening on her end.
Afterburner reports around ~10GB RAM usage and ~6GB VRAM usage in that area at 4K and that was with 8x MSAA.
Dr.D00p
Member
Well, even a broken watch is right twice a day...
Hostile_18
Banned
What is the best choice between a 2080ti or 3070 for 4k 60 gaming? I see the 3070 had the edge for FPS but the 2080ti has 11gb of VRAM everyone is concerned about.
Nydus
Member
Wait for benchmarks. I have the feeling that the 3070 won't be as fast as advertised. ~5% behind the 2080 Ti? But you can't go wrong with either one, despite the vram drama.
McHuj
Member
theres a rumored 16 GB 3070. No idea on release date.
I personally wouldn’t be buying the 20 series anymore. I think we’ll be seeing better gains over time with driver updates in the 30 series.
Armorian
Banned
Yeah I think in 4K 2080ti will be faster in many games, and 8GB of RAM is a joke in 2020....
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Except it won't be. The vram fear has been overblown. Benchmarks are already showing this to be true. Not to mention the performance of the 3080 which has only 10gb. 3070 will be better.
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notseqi
Member
Holy cow, 15GB VRAM at 4K with texture pack
Hory shet, dat CPU utilization.
Whole game fits in RAM, which is nice. I'd like to know more about how it works, if you need CPU-unpacking for textures. Would still be faster if done on GDDR (I imagine) but a deeper explanation would be cool.Some funky things must be happening on her end.
Afterburner reports around ~10GB RAM usage and ~6GB VRAM usage in that area at 4K and that was with 8x MSAA.
notseqi
Member
Holy cow, 15GB VRAM at 4K with texture pack
'..., the RTX just _bruteforcing_ it's way through this game.'
People sound immensely stupid using that word in this way, oh god.
Patrick S.
Banned
I'm looking at my Amazon wishlist, seeing if I should throw out some of the 3080 models. The Gigabyte Eagle is apparently cheaply made and doesn't overclock, right? I guess I'm unwatching that one. What about the PNY? Is PNY a good brand? Any experience with their tech support in case something goes wrong? I kinda want an Asus, MSI or EVGA, but I guess those are the ones everyone will want, and they'll be much harder to get.
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nemiroff
Gold Member
Some funky things must be happening on her end.
Afterburner reports around ~10GB RAM usage and ~6GB VRAM usage in that area at 4K and that was with 8x MSAA.
It's easy to miss because it's not properly explained; Third party software is used to load the entire game into VRAM instead of using the system SSD/HDD drive. Don't really know why bother with that, but yeah..
ZywyPL
Banned
That's what happens when you buy 8-32 threaded CPUs for games made with not more than 4 in mind, most of them are just sitting at idle. I'm curious to see how all those recent i9/R9 CPUs will age withing the next 3-5 years, once the support for PS4/XB1 ends and games will be made solely with PS5/XSX in mind, and finally start requiring at very least 8 threads.
notseqi
Member
In that example it's still low when stuff happens on screen. Seldom >60% on a core, never on more than one core. Skipped through the vid a bit though, not sure if this holds up for every second.
Armorian
Banned
Even in games chosen by Nvidia to showcase best case scenario 2080ti wins sometimes...
I can max out 8GB of VRAM in my 2060S by choosing CiRC textures in Crysis remaster in... 2560x1080. People will have to lower texture quality on 3070 in the future when they won't have to on 2080ti.
Ascend
Member
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
780 ti was twice as fast as 580... ok ? lol
He is comparing super expensive ti cards to non ti or a generation to 2 generations ago and saying that now we didn't get improvement as fast compared to 2080 ti? like what? I don't understand.
3080 vs 2080 is what should be compared. ant that's almost twice as fast depending on the game (at 4k).
It should be also noted that 700usd card is faster than 2 years ago 1200usd card. Not twice as fast of course but cmon.
Also. He is complaining that 3090 is 1500usd. But 3080 is the real card here and it's 700usd... and their cards been 700usd for few generations... and even 500usd in 2010 with inflation is 600usd now. So the cards are staying at the same level.
But nvidia started introducing those super expensive Titans, TI or whatever and people cling to that to and show it's a bad deal. of course it is. It's an apple move.
If it's so easy to improve form generation to generation, why is AMD not doing it? Why are they usually catching up generation later?
One thing we can agree on is that a fucking gpu should not be even 700usd. That's a price of more than a 1 new console
He is comparing super expensive ti cards to non ti or a generation to 2 generations ago and saying that now we didn't get improvement as fast compared to 2080 ti? like what? I don't understand.
3080 vs 2080 is what should be compared. ant that's almost twice as fast depending on the game (at 4k).
It should be also noted that 700usd card is faster than 2 years ago 1200usd card. Not twice as fast of course but cmon.
Also. He is complaining that 3090 is 1500usd. But 3080 is the real card here and it's 700usd... and their cards been 700usd for few generations... and even 500usd in 2010 with inflation is 600usd now. So the cards are staying at the same level.
But nvidia started introducing those super expensive Titans, TI or whatever and people cling to that to and show it's a bad deal. of course it is. It's an apple move.
If it's so easy to improve form generation to generation, why is AMD not doing it? Why are they usually catching up generation later?
One thing we can agree on is that a fucking gpu should not be even 700usd. That's a price of more than a 1 new console
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nemiroff
Gold Member
Recipe for VRAM discussions:
Pluck some randomly connected thoughts
Squeeze them into a ball of approximate notions
Write "truth" on it
Send it onto the internets
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Ulysses 31
Member
MSI Ventus 3X 3090 is pretty quiet. Played Metro Exodus for over an hour with GPU% in the 90s most of the time and I couldn't hear the card where as the 2080 TI was very audible.
Also when I boot up, the GPU fans spin up to 100% for a few sec, with this 3090 it's still pretty quiet.
Also when I boot up, the GPU fans spin up to 100% for a few sec, with this 3090 it's still pretty quiet.
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regawdless
Banned
Thanks for the impression. I've one Ventus 3080 OC ordered, hope that it'll arrive soon.
Nydus
Member
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regawdless
Banned
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Jayjayhd34
Member
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Nydus
Member
Wohoo my FE just got delivered at home. Fortunately the wife was at home.
I just got notification that my TUF is ready for Store-Pickup It went from "unknown" to "ready for pick up". Good times!
Now i have to decide which of the two i keep. a nice problem to have
I just got notification that my TUF is ready for Store-Pickup
It went from "unknown" to "ready for pick up". Good times! Now i have to decide which of the two i keep. a nice problem to have