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NYT: Refugees and immigrants being detained at US airports right now.

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Boke1879

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In all seriousness where is Hillary right now?
Did she stop speaking out against Trump?

Honestly, why should she say anything right now? It's best to let others lead. Especially since whenever she's brought up people say she just needs to stfu.

We have plenty of people that can speak out. Trump and the GOP don't need her as a boogeyman right now. If anything she needs to "silently" lend her support.
 

GK86

Homeland Security Fail
Outside Brooklyn Federal courthouse:

DaVf1Us.jpg
 

Beartruck

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There's huge outrage on GAF about this but lets be honest at least 50% of America if not more are quite happy with what Trump is doing.

Approval rating 36% and dropping. Also, only 49% of voters voted for him, and less than half the country voted. Vast majority are pissed.
 
Really sad when you put it like that. Both that about a quarter of the population are fine with this, and that such a small percentage decided this for everyone. How do we call this country a democracy with a straight face anymore?

And you just know that Trump and the GOP will be working their asses off to make sure the odds remain in their favor

Yup I live about 15 miles south of the Pennsylvania state line and sometimes I feel my vote doesn't matter in Maryland :(
 

Somnid

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There's huge outrage on GAF about this but lets be honest at least 50% of America if not more are quite happy with what Trump is doing.

Roughly a quarter of Americans explicitly approve of Trump. It's assumed that the rest either don't care, don't care enough to vote, or do not like Trump.
 
Not that I am a fan of Reagan, but his distrust of the evil empire is something that we should never have forgotten. It was always Republicans who were more cautious about Russia until this election, including Romney who said in 2012 that Russia was still our greatest enemy, something Obama disagreed with.

On this one issue they were right, which is why it is all the more amusing that Republicans are bending backwards now.
He also gave that Farewell Address where, whether he lived up to it or not during his Presidency, he talked quite eloquently about the "shining city on a hill."

I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.
Hilariously sad in light of current Republican rhetoric on immigration. Moore was right when he declared the Republicans no longer the "party of Reagan" but the "party of Trump."
 

kmax

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There's huge outrage on GAF about this but lets be honest at least 50% of America if not more are quite happy with what Trump is doing.

Which is a mystery to me. How can the leader of the free world be so god damn terrible? Might as well change its name to The Facist States of America at this point.

What needs to be done is to resist and fight. Do not let evil win. Fight evil. Stand up for your fellow brothers and sisters.
 

Garlador

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Good evening, America. Allow me first to apologise for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition, the totality of television.

I enjoy them as much as anyone. But in the spirit of commemoration, I thought we could take some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?

Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well, certainly, there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable. But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. They were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now president, Donald Trump. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.

Last night, we sought to end that silence. Last night, we stormed the JKF airport to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than three hundred years ago, our founding fathers rebelled against the injustice of despots and kings. Our hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words; they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I would suggest that you allow the days and months to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me, day in and day out, from sea to shining sea, and together we shall give them a presidential term that shall never, ever be forgot.

A little twist on an old speech.
 
The people who sat back & didn't vote this past November will not let that happen again in the 2020 election. I guarantee it.

I certainly hope this is true. At least, for this election, it's well known that many sat at home and decided not to vote at all.

My hope is that those who DO vote next time around, do not vote for Trump.
 

y2dvd

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So apparently Obama stopped refugees from Iraq in 2011 and that's totally the same thing and I'm a hypocrite. According to someone on Facebook.

Why are his supporters so quick to bring up shit from the past that has nothing to do with the present? It happens every time.

I am down to protest. Been at the Chinese new years celebration all day but damn this shit is pitiful.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I don't think I've ever been genuinely ashamed of America before. Disagreed with policy? Definitely. Embarrassed at times? Occasionally. But I went to college to study American government because I truly believed in the potential good that can be done by us collectively. Now it makes me sick to my stomach to even look at my degree. This whole thing is just...un-American. *sigh*
 

Violater

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Might do more harm than good coming from "crooked Hilary"

I would lay low if I were her. He's made true on all his promises so far...if he actually had her jailed...holy shit

Honestly, why should she say anything right now? It's best to let others lead. Especially since whenever she's brought up people say she just needs to stfu.

We have plenty of people that can speak out. Trump and the GOP don't need her as a boogeyman right now. If anything she needs to "silently" lend her support.

If that's the case then I hope we never see her again run for office.
 
Why are his supporters so quick to bring up shit from the past that has nothing to do with the present? It happens every time.

I am down to protest. Been at the Chinese new years celebration all day but damn this shit is pitiful.

Had this argument twice with guys on other forums. It doesnt hold up and easy to shut down.
 
I hate to say it, but that is not any better than Trump's attacks on news organizations.

False equivalency. Fox News does not even hide that it's conservative propaganda. Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly and their ilk commonly spread falsehoods - whether about Democrats, or abortion, or anything rational and decent they want to pick a fight with.

CNN and MSNBC and others, the ones Trump is attacking, don't routinely publish false stories or false facts. CNN was called "fake news" for reporting something that literally happened, while Fox News was happy to largely ignore, and then belittle, the Women's March.

There's nothing wrong with saying that Fox News should be held more accountable as a news source, or else be dismantled. Granted, it's for-profit news, so that's the first problem.

There's huge outrage on GAF about this but lets be honest at least 50% of America if not more are quite happy with what Trump is doing.

I don't know if it's that high. I mean, he has a 35-40% approval rating. Nearly half of American voters didn't even vote. We can say that a solid 20% of the country is fine with him, because they're the loons and trolls and racists and uneducated. A lot of other people are probably being like "meh, doesn't affect me and I don't care" or "I'm not sure about this..."
 

TheStruggler

Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
good job america!

also its amazing to see cnn reporters taking trump supporters to school using facts and they either side step, bring up obama or have nothing to counter and make shit up.
 

jmizzal

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This ban affects ANYONE who was BORN in any of the 7 countries. EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT NATIONALS OR CITIZENS.
Thats cuz some of those countries he has business ties to

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-muslim-ban-excludes-countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956

"Friday’s executive order, signed at the Pentagon, suspends the issuing of U.S. visas or travel permits to people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

Not a single American was killed on U.S. soil by citizens from any of those countries between 1975 and 2015, according to statistics tallied by the conservative-leaning Cato Institute."
 

GK86

Homeland Security Fail
GK86 do you know where else protests are being held in NYC? Is it just there and JFK?

The JFK protest is closed since they aren't letting anyone use the AirTrain. It seems like people are going to the Brooklyn courthouse now.
 
So I'm sitting at a restaurant, filled with many different people it's a diverse crowd tonight, and I'm checking GAF while waiting on the food.

I look around and I know 95% or more of these people have no idea what is going down right now. I feel like I'm in a movie where you know some shit going down with the government but no one else has a clue. Like the zombies (Republicans) are going to take over and you want to warn all these people but your afraid that the police would escort you to an insane asylum if you speak up.

So fucked up.
 

Coffinhal

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Just read that on Twitter (quickly translated with Google from French)

The most complicated matter now: explaining to the destitute people of the Rust Belt why the riding elites mobilize themselves to defend the immigrants. Because that is Trump's goal, to prove that the elites have nothing to do with Americans and prefer foreigners. Put yourself in the shoes of a Trump voter who sees mobilization at JFK: it just confirms his rhetoric. The ban is to endorse the national divide, to create an irreconcilable people. Nothing to do with Syria, Iraq or anything else. In the playbook of the little autocrat Trump ticks for the moment all the boxes. And the efficiency with which it arrives has enough to frighten

So true, it confirms their bias about un-patriotic liberals.
 
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