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[Santiako]

The guy hes based of is jamacian tho, so the question is would sean count as black and would deejay since theyre not african.

You know there's black people outside of Africa right? Usain Bolt is Jamaican, is he not black?

 

[Mesoian]

The guy hes based of is jamacian tho, so the question is would sean count as black and would deejay since theyre not african.

 

[jon bones]

i still say dudley is Indian-Asian descent.

it fits it with the whole british motiff and history. physical features as well.

hey man if we're playing the Imaginary Character Race Draft i would love to take Dudley first overall but the dude is black

 

[zedreamcast]

That's not his hair. He's wearing a hat/helmet.

So his children are wearing the exact same helmet and his helmet just happens to form into a perfect moustace???

 

[Palculator]

The guy hes based of is jamacian tho, so the question is would sean count as black and would deejay since theyre not african.

:|

 

[raven777]

Some outfits in motion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BioYOc1yfHw

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

ah ok now i see where you are coming from cindi.

so when you complain of games not having enough people of color or minorities, you don't mean more brown-skinned people, just more afro-ethnic features right?

Naw.

My problem is that whenever there's any character of color, they take it to a bizarre extreme and there's so few non Asian one's to begin with that the disparity sticks. The alt costumes never make things better. Balrog's SFIV Halloween costume is...him wearing a Basketball jersey and some chainsnecklaces.

One of Dee Jay's is this.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

My girl is looking amazing. *wipes tear*

 

[zedreamcast]

:|

You know there's black people outside of Africa right? Usain Bolt is Jamaican, is he not black?

is this sarcasm?



no his daughters have the hair,

Im going by how im guessing cindi means when they say "black" i know that black really just means skin tone, and not heritage. But cindi seems to think that black doesnt mean skin tone

 

[mollipen]

no his daughters have the hair,

I'm pretty sure they're wearing the same hat things, aren't they? I swear I've seen something clarifying that that's NOT hair.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

At least they finally got the facial animations right, anatomy still looks so bulky and weird though.

But I am loving the facial animations in SFV

 

[zedreamcast]

I'm pretty sure they're wearing the same hat things, aren't they? I swear I've seen something clarifying that that's NOT hair.

The wikia says its hair so who knows, plus his wife has braided blue hair.

 

[mbpm1]

Elena doesn't look black?

.........................what?

She looks OP either way

 

[Village]

Naw.

My problem is that whenever there's any character of color, they take it to a bizarre extreme and there's so few non Asian one's to begin with that the disparity sticks. The alt costumes never make things better. Balrog's SFIV Halloween costume is...him wearing a Basketball jersey and some chainsnecklaces.

One of Dee Jay's is this.

Thiis isn't to negate your point.

but I am black and enjoy balrogs holloween alt. His 21 color is the knicks. Not saying that shouldn't be problem for anyone.

 

[Palculator]

That player 2 bug, heh. Outfit looks cool though.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

if you show some of you all black babies born with blond hair, or green eyes you all might explode your brains

It really wouldn't and it doesn't change the fact that so many games cannot do Black people right and it doesn't make the grievance void but okay.

 

[KrM DeLorean]

Grotesque is such an odd word to use for showing some flesh. Really says a lot.

something something violence (mk fatalities) is fine but skin or sexuality is unacceptable.

lesigh

I don't want to live on this planet anymore

 

[KingBroly]

That player 2 bug, heh. Outfit looks cool though.

It looks like they toned it down...but still kept it.

 

[Village]

It really wouldn't and it doesn't change the fact that so many games cannot do Black people right and it doesn't make the grievance void but okay.

That wasn't in response to that, it was in response to the suggestion some characters aren't black for not falling into " black character perimeters"

I'm pretty sure they're wearing the same hat things, aren't they? I swear I've seen something clarifying that that's NOT hair.

Then why isn't his wife wearing it?

 

[Skilletor]

It looks like they toned it down...but still kept it.

This is the cracked beta before the bug was fixed. It's the same as it was then.

 

[zedreamcast]

It really wouldn't and it doesn't change the fact that so many games cannot do Black people right and it doesn't make the grievance void but okay.

No ones saying that but we give you a pretty good black character that isnt a stereotype and youre like no even though the definition of black is " of or relating to any of various population groups having dark pigmentation of the skinl

 

[Sorcerer Supreme]

I'm not critizing any characters for not being black enough. Japanese games have a history with a lack of black characters. The problem is that people assume dark skin = black, which it isn't. Because Sean has dark skin, doesn't mean he's Black. Go search for the Suikoden III Hugo is black thread from the other week. We talk about this very subject. So when discussing Black characters I'm quite cognizant of how I interpret who is Black, especially when discussing who is a reapectable Black character.

You shouldn't take that is me saying a character isn't Black enough. You should be seeing me as questioning if whether or not a specific character really is Black to begin with as the original artist intent.

There's nothing wrong with being "too Arab" but as SF's first Arab character he's a walk stereotype.

Sure, fighting games historically made up their casts around stereotypes around the world in the past, but because it's something its always done doesn't make it inherently right. Plus, there are many options for someone who wants a respectable white dude or a respectable Asian dude that's not a stereotype. But when you want to play a Black character you can't have it unless he looks likes a complete thug (Balrog) or is always smiling like a joke character even while getting hit (Dee Jay). From the Turkish oil wrestler who doesn't even look human (Hakan) to the stereotypical Arab (Rashid), when wanting to play more dark skinned characters usually the rule is to expect a caricature. I'm not sure how that's okay in 2016.

And now I have to deal with the female characters being DOA-ized as well.

I want you to explain to me how Rashid is a "walking sterotype"

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

No ones saying that but we give you a pretty good black character that isnt a stereotype and youre like no even though the definition of black is " of or relating to any of various population groups having dark pigmentation of the skinl

You give me one character. Doesn't that prove my point?

 

[rocK`]

I don't know about you but when I go to the beach and there is a girl in a bikini, I don't grab my camera and zoom in to an extreme closeup of her vagina and then slowly pan up to her breasts.
But that's just me.

Also somewhat related, street fighter is a fighting game, it's not actually a trip to the beach. They are different things.
Those girls at the beach, they have actual brains in their heads and autonomy... They dress themselves. They can present themselves however they like. Laura from street fighter in the other hand does not have a brain. She does not have autonomous thoughts. She didn't dress herself. She's an animated computer model designed to give teenagers boners and sell video games from inducing hormone release from supernormal stimuli.

Real girls and computer graphic models are actually different things. If you think about it, you're actually being turned on by a Japanese salaryman in an office and what he thinks will induce the most boners in a demographic.

Edit: terrible spelling

I'm not sure if anyone pointed out the hypocrisy of you "defending the works of a japanese salaryman in an office".

 

[mbpm1]

Wait Rashid's a walking stereotype? They polled and worked closely with UAE focus groups so it's not all on them if that's the case

 

[HabeeNo]

*Jay-Z voice*

The jiggle's back

*trumpets*

 

[mollipen]

Then why isn't his wife wearing it?

Kids wearing something to emulate one of their parents is a pretty common thing. But, seems like I might be wrong on this anyhow.

 

[Vlaphor]

I thought that even the cracked beta stopped working. Still, if it does work and the new outfits transfer over, then we need Laura's alt giffed right away

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Yeah, I'm really confused at what 'black' means in this thread.

And I'm a black man.

In one picture of my family (cousins, uncle, siblings, etc.) the shades of black are like the bottom row, and maybe some outside shades, of that shades of brown chart.

 

[BumRush]

Maybe I'm not fully understanding, but why are people saying the outfits are disgusting and that Capcom should be ashamed? The game is rated Teen and, as far as I can tell, you can see far worse in a pg-13 movie. What's the big deal?

 

[zedreamcast]

I want you to explain to me how Rashid is a "walking sterotype"

Im guessing he is one cause he has a pointy beard and a shamagh , even tho a shamagh is a normal thing to wear cause its hot in the middle east. Even though hes not screaming something like blatantly racist. I mean i never got why a character that dresses in their counties traditional clothing would be considered racist.

 

[Palculator]

It looks like they toned it down...but still kept it.

I dug out the old .gif and it doesn't look too different.

Edit: No wait, I guess it does look a little toned down in the current .gif.

 

[Village]

Wait Rashid's a walking stereotype? They polled and worked closely with UAE focus groups so it's not all on them if that's the case

I remembr them saying that.

I mean , he isn't as clean as my boy shaheen ,

but I thought he was fine.

 

[jon bones]

man Shaheen is so dope

 

[nded]

Kids wearing something to emulate one of their parents is a pretty common thing. But, seems like I might be wrong on this anyhow.

I recall in several interviews like this one that devs usually made a point of mentioning whatever Hakan's got going on isn't a hat.

The "thing" on top of Hakan's head is his hair style, Kamei noted. It's not a hat, shower cap or helmet.

As for the Chun Li jiggle, isn't it because most of the new costume footage was taken by porting new beta files over to the old cracked beta that still has the 2P gravity bug? I'm probably wrong, but I thought I heard something along those lines.

 

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[The Metal Face]

You give me one character. Doesn't that prove my point?

Man there are races and countries that still have not even one representative. Us blacks have 4, 2 good ones and 2 jokey sort of ones. What more do you want?

 

[zedreamcast]

You give me one character. Doesn't that prove my point?

Sean, is a super fun character who doesnt gives up.
Im not saying that theres a lot of good repersentation. Japan sucks with people of different cultures mainly cause japan was literally closed to the rest of the world for like 200 years, and they still rarely interact with people of different ethnicities. Im sure some people in japan have gone their whole lives without seeing a black person in real life, its where things like ganguro come from.

 

[Bold One]

 

[drotahorror]

Wait, the title was changed? That's the original title I gave the thread lol.

Ah ok, I read someone on page 2 or 3 that said the title had changed. Yo man, those costumes aren't lame!

Spoiler

 

[SixMachine]

man Shaheen is so dope

I think he looks cool visually but everything else about him seems rather boring. His fighting style the only thing that stuck out to me was the 1 4 the japanese player kept using against me at Evo, his launcher, and he surfboards opponents once in a while.

 

[zedreamcast]

Man there are races and countries that still have not even one representative. Us blacks have 4, 2 good ones and 2 jokey sort of ones. What more do you want?

Canada has 0 characters still, and no Irish fighter either. Alot of the smaller countries get passed over like poland, or argentina.

 

[SixMachine]

Canada has 0 characters still, and no Irish fighter either. Alot of the smaller countries get passed over like poland, or argentina.

Man, Sasquatch wrecked so much shit in the Darkstalkers/Vampire Savior series, Capcom fears putting in the top tier Canadian. SNK has Maxima who's Canadianess is infinitesimally lesser than Sas.

 

[Tom Nook]

I'm seeing an actual dick

 

[Palculator]

Man there are races and countries that still have not even one representative. Us blacks have 4, 2 good ones and 2 jokey sort of ones. What more do you want?

Us Germans got fucking Hugo. Who's not a bad character but barely looks anything German and the guy he's based on was French.

Also those EX characters nobody remembers.

 

[jon bones]

I think he looks cool visually but everything else about him seems rather boring. His fighting style the only thing that stuck out to me was the 1 4 the japanese player kept using against me at Evo, his launcher, and he surfboards opponents once in a while.

yah i meant visually, i dont fucks w tekken

 

[jstripes]

Oh, Capcom. Why?

Can we get some good outfits, rather than "moar boobs"?

 

[V_Arnold]

All this country-based argument is useless. I would have stopped giving out nationality altogether. Why? Look up how many countries are in earth. And compare that to typical FGC roster sizes.

Yeah, you will mostly get US, Japanese, other asian or european characters, with a few other tokens/weirdos based on outdated, shallow stereotypes.

 

[Endless]

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[lawnchair]

flopping chun li boobs lol

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