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[whytemyke]

well here's an interesting survey. Who's the most annoying person associated with televised NBA basketball?

1) Magic Johnson. This guy changes his mind more times than Paris Hilton changes videocasettes. Beginning of game: "And the pistons.... defense is just awesome. But dwyane wade and miami is awesome too."
ernie: "So magic, who do you have to win?"
magic: "Well, its like, the pistons are great, but so is Miami.... yeah.... but ya gotta remember how remarkable Dwyane Wade is!"

2) Charles Barkley. This guy talks as slow as forrest gump with as many pauses as a jim rome interview. "Yeah, well.... everytimee... that uh, wade goes to the left. he shoots! Iunnowhy *deep breath* nobody washez the game tapes. *pause* And its like I said, ya know? um... ernie, you are why I love white people. And GINOBOLIIII" THANKS CHUCK! TALK ABOUT A REBOUND!

3) Bill Walton. "Throw it down big man! The simple virility with which Kobe shows everytime he throws it down is why the Los Angeles Lakers are unequivocally one of the greatest organizations in NBA history."

4) Tom Tolbert. I don't really mind him... he just looks really funny.

5) Steven A. Smith. "Oh I dont know why you even bother? Its like I said... I'm just right. Just admit that I'm right and you'll quit being wrong, cuz there's nothing more right than the fact that I'm right. And the Pistons... THIS YEAR.... will be our NBA Champions."

 

[SKluck]

62 fouls in the game.
94 free throws.

Random stat: Pistons are 0-5 in the last 3 years when they give up over 100 pts in the playoffs.

Another one: In the Piston's last 9 playoff series, they've won the clinch game, i.e. won 2 games in a row to finish every series.

Kinda has me worried here. But not really. They will go back to Miami 2-2, a best of 3 series with 2 at Miami.

Larry is coming to the podium... This should be good.

 

[DJ_Tet]

One of the best basketball tv personalities in recent years was Jayson Williams. Unfortunate he did what he did.

 

[SKluck]

I gotta go with Walton. I hate that guy :lol.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

5) Steven A. Smith. "Oh I dont know why you even bother? Its like I said... I'm just right. Just admit that I'm right and you'll quit being wrong, cuz there's nothing more right than the fact that I'm right. And the Pistons... THIS YEAR.... will be our NBA Champions."

stephen a. annoys the most by far. He acts so smug and shit. At least guys like Barkley try to be entertaining. Screamin A just acts like commentating or analyzing stuff is beneath him...uhh, hello, its your JOB jackass. If you don't want to do it, get the fuck off the TV.

 

[Pimpwerx]

First off, Duncan most definitely is a center. I don't care if he lines up at the 4 once in awhile... he's a center. Beyond that, I'd take Jabbar, Wilt, Olajuwon and Ewing all over him.

I'm talking Centers all-time, by the way... not just in the league now. Naturally he's the most dominant center in the league now, cuz there are no good centers in the league now.

You would take Ewing over a Shaq in his prime? Are you fucking kidding me? Someone get this guy a medic, he's about to lose it. I mean seriously...Ewing in his prime is nowhere near as dominant as Shaq in his prime. Shaq in his prime is better than everyone save for maybe Wilt. And he's shoulder-to-shoulder with Kareem. Take the primetime Lakers with Worthy, Magic and either Shaq or Kareem, and I take Shaq hands-fucking-down. Shaq in his prime didn't even have to take 8ft hooks. He was dunking or laying it in on any and everyone. You honestly didn't have to auto-double or triple Kareem. A good defender could keep Kareem outside for the skyhook. A good defender stood no chance in hell against a 90's Shaq. Man, it's not even his shot, it was his footwork. Great footwork at that size keeps a defender moving, which means either easy fouls or easy access to the hoop. Shaq's footwork was/is his bread and butter. Not his size, it's the fact that he forces guys to constantly adjust and thus they can't settle in for an easy charge.

Oh yeah DJ_Tet, EJ made his name with the Lakers. I don't think those Nike ads were paid for with his so-so Hornets seasons. Hell, who the fuck gets Hornets games outside of Charlotte unless they're playing the home team? PEACE.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i agree with you for the most part, pimpwerx, but LOL at Shaq trying to keep up with the showtime Lakers or surviving Riley's fucking insane practice sessions. Sorry, in that regard he wouldn't be better than Kareem.

 

[whytemyke]

You would take Ewing over a Shaq in his prime? Are you fucking kidding me? Someone get this guy a medic, he's about to lose it. I mean seriously...Ewing in his prime is nowhere near as dominant as Shaq in his prime. Shaq in his prime is better than everyone save for maybe Wilt. And he's shoulder-to-shoulder with Kareem. Take the primetime Lakers with Worthy, Magic and either Shaq or Kareem, and I take Shaq hands-fucking-down. Shaq in his prime didn't even have to take 8ft hooks. He was dunking or laying it in on any and everyone. You honestly didn't have to auto-double or triple Kareem. A good defender could keep Kareem outside for the skyhook. A good defender stood no chance in hell against a 90's Shaq. Man, it's not even his shot, it was his footwork. Great footwork at that size keeps a defender moving, which means either easy fouls or easy access to the hoop. Shaq's footwork was/is his bread and butter. Not his size, it's the fact that he forces guys to constantly adjust and thus they can't settle in for an easy charge.

Oh yeah DJ_Tet, EJ made his name with the Lakers. I don't think those Nike ads were paid for with his so-so Hornets seasons. Hell, who the fuck gets Hornets games outside of Charlotte unless they're playing the home team? PEACE.

Someone get me a medic? What do you think this is, a battlerap, slim? Haha... anyways, yeah, you put Shaq one on one versus any of the centers I listed, and they'd all own him. Shaq gets so much props cuz of his size, but really, he has no jumpshot outside of 10 feet. I've at least seen Ewing make 15 footers regularly. When's the last time Shaq has done that? Christ... just make a guy thats 7'2", 350 lbs, put him under the hoop and you have shaq. Is he more DOMINANT than those guys? Of course, because they actually played basketball-- not this "catch it seven feet from the hoops, back down another four feet, then turn around and drop it in" shit. In terms of skill level, you cannot even put shaq NEAR any of the guys I listed.

Make Shaq the same size as Olajuwan and Shaq aint even in the LEAGUE, let alone considered one of the best. So please, get that shit about "OMG HE ROX" outta here. He's big. He's dominant. He's not talented, though.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Hey Pimpwerx,

Of course EJ made his name in LA. He was drafted there. It's funny that his "so-so" seasons in Charlotte entail the ONE year he has averaged over 20 ppg. That same season he posted a second place rebounding number (4.8 a game) and a career high in assists (4.2 a game, in two separate seasons). Perhaps you haven't watched the NBA long enough, but no one in Charlotte gets Hornets games anymore. They've been in New Orleans the past three years. PEACE.

 

[Blackace]

Someone get me a medic? What do you think this is, a battlerap, slim? Haha... anyways, yeah, you put Shaq one on one versus any of the centers I listed, and they'd all own him. Shaq gets so much props cuz of his size, but really, he has no jumpshot outside of 10 feet. I've at least seen Ewing make 15 footers regularly. When's the last time Shaq has done that? Christ... just make a guy thats 7'2", 350 lbs, put him under the hoop and you have shaq. Is he more DOMINANT than those guys? Of course, because they actually played basketball-- not this "catch it seven feet from the hoops, back down another four feet, then turn around and drop it in" shit. In terms of skill level, you cannot even put shaq NEAR any of the guys I listed.

Make Shaq the same size as Olajuwan and Shaq aint even in the LEAGUE, let alone considered one of the best. So please, get that shit about "OMG HE ROX" outta here. He's big. He's dominant. He's not talented, though.

You know if you made Steve Nash slower and so he couldn't pass I bet he wouldn't have won the MVP...

 

[DJ_Tet]

Someone get me a medic? What do you think this is, a battlerap, slim? Haha... anyways, yeah, you put Shaq one on one versus any of the centers I listed, and they'd all own him. Shaq gets so much props cuz of his size, but really, he has no jumpshot outside of 10 feet. I've at least seen Ewing make 15 footers regularly. When's the last time Shaq has done that? Christ... just make a guy thats 7'2", 350 lbs, put him under the hoop and you have shaq. Is he more DOMINANT than those guys? Of course, because they actually played basketball-- not this "catch it seven feet from the hoops, back down another four feet, then turn around and drop it in" shit. In terms of skill level, you cannot even put shaq NEAR any of the guys I listed.

Make Shaq the same size as Olajuwan and Shaq aint even in the LEAGUE, let alone considered one of the best. So please, get that shit about "OMG HE ROX" outta here. He's big. He's dominant. He's not talented, though.

Shaq has tons of talent. I don't really understand the hater's view of Shaq. His prime has passed though, and that will just give the haters more fuel. There have been plenty of fatass 7 footers in the NBA, only one has ever made an all star game though (well two if you count Kevin Duckworth??). Shaq is special, and he's borderline Top 5 centers of all time, I think 5 is as high as he'll get though, unless he leads Miami to a couple of titles. Still, at this point, people will point to Wade rather than Shaq for that.

 

[whytemyke]

You know if you made Steve Nash slower and so he couldn't pass I bet he wouldn't have won the MVP...

that's nothing at all what I'm saying. I'm talking in terms of talent, shaq barely has enough to survive on the NBA level. And I thought Shaq deserved MVP, too. It's about the most valuable player, which comes down to dominance, not talent. And while Steve Nash is awesome, the team he left did better without him. You can't look past that.

But nobody can stand here and make the debate that shaq is one of the most talented centers ever. The only time Shaq even squares up to the hoop is when he's at the free throw line.

 

[whytemyke]

Shaq has tons of talent. I don't really understand the hater's view of Shaq. His prime has passed though, and that will just give the haters more fuel. There have been plenty of fatass 7 footers in the NBA, only one has ever made an all star game though (well two if you count Kevin Duckworth??). Shaq is special, and he's borderline Top 5 centers of all time, I think 5 is as high as he'll get though, unless he leads Miami to a couple of titles. Still, at this point, people will point to Wade rather than Shaq for that.

How does Shaq have talent? Anyone who's watched him play, either now or in his prime, would agree that he doesn't have talent. He has God-given size. Now sure, it takes a lot of ambition to be able to use that as well as he could, but still... not skill. And the All Star Game stat is a joke. He could be 42 and still elected to that shit, for the same reason Magic was elected way past his prime-- the fans, you know, the people who actually CHOOSE the all star team-- love him to death. Beyond that, we're arguing the same thing... I wouldn't put him any higher than 4 if we can't put Duncan on the list.

 

[Pimpwerx]

i agree with you for the most part, pimpwerx, but LOL at Shaq trying to keep up with the showtime Lakers or surviving Riley's fucking insane practice sessions. Sorry, in that regard he wouldn't be better than Kareem.

Shaq has been known to run the fast break in the past. Man, 90's Shaq was insanely good. That's why I say he was robbed of many MVPs. He has arguably one of the best handles of any center to ever play the game. He can actually cross fools. When he was with the Magic, he used to run the fast break on a decently regular basis. Way more than Kareem, Hakeem or Ewing did. How many of those guys could go coast to coast? Shaq's done it a number of times in his career. Not saying that Shaq was gonna pass as a PG or anything, but he could run the transition game. That's entails quickness and a good handle.

Someone get me a medic? What do you think this is, a battlerap, slim? Haha... anyways, yeah, you put Shaq one on one versus any of the centers I listed, and they'd all own him. Shaq gets so much props cuz of his size, but really, he has no jumpshot outside of 10 feet. I've at least seen Ewing make 15 footers regularly. When's the last time Shaq has done that? Christ... just make a guy thats 7'2", 350 lbs, put him under the hoop and you have shaq. Is he more DOMINANT than those guys? Of course, because they actually played basketball-- not this "catch it seven feet from the hoops, back down another four feet, then turn around and drop it in" shit. In terms of skill level, you cannot even put shaq NEAR any of the guys I listed.

Make Shaq the same size as Olajuwan and Shaq aint even in the LEAGUE, let alone considered one of the best. So please, get that shit about "OMG HE ROX" outta here. He's big. He's dominant. He's not talented, though.

My gloating isn't through for the night. I've got enough Bud Light in me to fuel a drag racer. Shaq played against Ewing and Olajuwan. Guess who got the better of those matchups? Don't forget, Shaq played against the Rockets in the Finals. Hakeem faired much better versus Shaq than Ewing did, but not even The Dream came out on top in that matchup. Shaq gets a lot of flack for being "out of shape" and for not being the 3-time Finals MVP he is. Well shit, you can't be at your best at all times. But even when he's not at his best, he's fucking incredible. Shaq doesn't have a jumper. That's been the complaint against him his whole career. He doesn't fucking need one. If it's not apparent yet, maybe it will be in a few more weeks. He's never needed a jumper. Again, great footwork at that size means to never have to settle for the long option. You are always in the paint, unless they auto-double/triple you, in which case you have now created tons of space for your teammates. Look at an arguably hobble Shaq against the best D in the league. They still have to shade two guys in to help out, or he's laying it in against a multiple Defensive Player of the Year.

Now I've been called crazy this playoffs, and I've taken it in stride. But I think it's pretty damn obvious to everyone that Shaq is the by and large the most dominant player in this league...still. No one commands the respect he does, no one. Call it bad officiating, he cannot be fucking stopped with one player, even the best defender in the league. Hakeem had Barkley and Drexler and Horry and Cassell. Ewing...uh...he isn't better than Shaq in any event. But Shaq can score in his sleep. I am so glad we extended his contract. The Lakers are stupid for letting this guy go. He's ten times more valuable than Kobe. The Heat will prove it this season. All Hail The Diesel! He will lead us to the promised land. PEACE.

 

[Blackace]

that's nothing at all what I'm saying. I'm talking in terms of talent, shaq barely has enough to survive on the NBA level. And I thought Shaq deserved MVP, too. It's about the most valuable player, which comes down to dominance, not talent. And while Steve Nash is awesome, the team he left did better without him. You can't look past that.

But nobody can stand here and make the debate that shaq is one of the most talented centers ever. The only time Shaq even squares up to the hoop is when he's at the free throw line.

why does the center need to square up to the hoop? even Kareem never squared up. the closer you are to the basket the higher the %... and be honest have you seen any of the great centers dribble the ball coast to coast and score the way Shaq has in his prime?

 

[DJ_Tet]

How does Shaq have talent? Anyone who's watched him play, either now or in his prime, would agree that he doesn't have talent. He has God-given size. Now sure, it takes a lot of ambition to be able to use that as well as he could, but still... not skill. And the All Star Game stat is a joke. He could be 42 and still elected to that shit, for the same reason Magic was elected way past his prime-- the fans, you know, the people who actually CHOOSE the all star team-- love him to death. Beyond that, we're arguing the same thing... I wouldn't put him any higher than 4 if we can't put Duncan on the list.

Well, your post is littered with errors.

Shaq has talent. He has great handles and footwork, which enables his dunks in traffic to look a lot easier than they are, even for someone at his size. He is a GREAT passer for a center. Rarely have centers or post players in general been able to complete the short dish for a layup with the consistancy of Shaq. He has such soft hands and really good court vision. For all the props Vlade got as a passer, Shaq is just as good if not better. He was also a terror on the defensive rebounds in his prime. Oh yeah, he blocked more than a handful of shots in his career too.

My point about All Star games may have been taken the wrong way, my point was basically that there HAVE been players in the NBA with Shaq's size, yet not one has come close to being an All Star, much less done what Shaq has done. How did he do it? Well, his quickness was unrivaled in his younger years, but as time passed, he actually developed a "game." He can't hit a jumper, can't buy a FT, but he has 5 go-to moves in the post, and those weren't "god given" because he couldn't do that as a rookie. Shaq may have been able to sit on his god given size and speed, but I don't think he did.

As far as fans, well, the coaches choose the last 7 spots on the All Star teams, so even if another player had the skills of Shaq but was hated, the coaches would have had him on that team. Kevin Duckworth was kind of a joke, because he's the only fat center that I know of that ever made an All Star team. Shaq's special, and it's not just his charisma or smile. It's his skills.

We aren't arguing the same thing, as I put him at 5 of my all time list, I haven't seen yours yet. I think you said that Ewing was better, but I'd have to disagree. Duncan also hasn't accomplished the things Shaq has in his career, but there is still plenty of time for Timmy.

 

[Cloudy]

OMG, I'm unbanned

Thoughts:

- Pistons can't score consistently enough to keep the refs from handing close games to Miami

- Prince is a very nice player but his D is really overrated. It's easy to look like a stopper when you have the whole team helping you out and totally ignoring some roleplayers. You can't do that with Miami. And he's not quick enough to guard Wade, Dude and his coach need to stop believing the hype and have Chauncey and Lindsey defend that guy while Prince concentrates on offense cos the Heat have no answer for him..

- Speaking of hype, does anyone get more bogus calls than Wade? Don't get me wrong, he's a great player but WTF?!?!?

- Detroit isn't making Shaq work at all cos they have no scoring center. And why not put Campbell on Shaq more cos he can hold his ground in the paint

- Spurs will punish whoever wins this series

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

- Speaking of hype, does anyone get more bogus calls than Wade? Don't get me wrong, he's a great player but WTF?!?!?

- Spurs will punish whoever wins this series

FUCK YOU!!!

 

[Cloudy]

Whoever wins this series will get PUNISHED by the Spurs....

Hey I picked the Spurs for this series too. Miami's roleplayers will not get these open threes against SA. Shaq and Wade will also have to play defense...

GO SPURS, GO!!!!

 

[Pimpwerx]

OMG, I'm unbanned

Thoughts:

- Pistons can't score consistently enough to keep the refs from handing close games to Miami

- Prince is a very nice player but his D is really overrated. It's easy to look like a stopper when you have the whole team helping you out and totally ignoring some roleplayers. You can't do that with Miami. And he's not quick enough to guard Wade, Dude and his coach need to stop believing the hype and have Chauncey and Lindsey defend that guy while Prince concentrates on offense cos the Heat have no answer for him..

- Speaking of hype, does anyone get more bogus calls than Wade? Don't get me wrong, he's a great player but WTF?!?!?

- Detroit isn't making Shaq work at all cos they have no scoring center. And why not put Campbell on Shaq more cos he can hold his ground in the paint

- Spurs will punish whoever wins this series

Fate sealed.

:lol

Thank you mods. PEACE.

 

[Cloudy]

Pistons/Heat series = WWF. Stern won't forgive the Pistons for the brawl just like he didn't forgive Kobe for the rape charge last year. Spurs are the champs with their wholesome international players

 

[DarienA]

I love this thread.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Hey Pimpwerx,

Of course EJ made his name in LA. He was drafted there. It's funny that his "so-so" seasons in Charlotte entail the ONE year he has averaged over 20 ppg. That same season he posted a second place rebounding number (4.8 a game) and a career high in assists (4.2 a game, in two separate seasons). Perhaps you haven't watched the NBA long enough, but no one in Charlotte gets Hornets games anymore. They've been in New Orleans the past three years. PEACE.

Oh yeah, his two years in Charlotte he also averaged around 2.75 steals per game. That's over a steal more a game than any season he had in Miami. His years in Charlotte certainly were "so-so."

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

Hey I picked the Spurs for this series too. Miami's roleplayers will not get these open threes against SA. Shaq and Wade will also have to play defense...

GO SPURS, GO!!!!

Oh yeah. I forgot the Spurs are not affected by the curse thanks to their connection to MJ through none other than...

 

[The Chosen One]

1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Bill Russell
4. Hakeem Olajuwon
5. Shaq

I agree with this list though I might put Hakeem Olajuwon a little bit higher.

Also, there's no way you can put Shaq higher than Olajuwon. Remember Olajuwon put Shaq back in diapers when the Rockets sweep the Magic in the NBA finals. Olajuwon had the skills and moves Shaq could only hope to have. Shaq in his prime was very athletic for his size and had good foot work. But Shaq was/is pretty much a power player. He'd either back people down and dunk on them or do layups. Occasionally he'd do a little short range jump hook. He didn't have the same finesse and versatility as Olajuwon. Do you ever see Shaq take a shot outside the paint that's not a short range jump hook? Olajuwon was also a better free throw shooter.

But Shaq wipes the floor with Ewing. The fact that Ewing doesn't even have a championship ring nor appeared in the NBA finals automatically disqualifies him as a top 5 center.

 

[DJ_Tet]

It's hard to argue putting Olajuwon over Russell, but in terms of overall skill, I've never seen a better center.

Good post there.

 

[bionic77]

My gloating isn't through for the night. I've got enough Bud Light in me to fuel a drag racer. Shaq played against Ewing and Olajuwan. Guess who got the better of those matchups? Don't forget, Shaq played against the Rockets in the Finals. Hakeem faired much better versus Shaq than Ewing did, but not even The Dream came out on top in that matchup. Shaq gets a lot of flack for being "out of shape" and for not being the 3-time Finals MVP he is. Well shit, you can't be at your best at all times. But even when he's not at his best, he's fucking incredible. Shaq doesn't have a jumper. That's been the complaint against him his whole career. He doesn't fucking need one. If it's not apparent yet, maybe it will be in a few more weeks. He's never needed a jumper. Again, great footwork at that size means to never have to settle for the long option. You are always in the paint, unless they auto-double/triple you, in which case you have now created tons of space for your teammates. Look at an arguably hobble Shaq against the best D in the league. They still have to shade two guys in to help out, or he's laying it in against a multiple Defensive Player of the Year.

Now I've been called crazy this playoffs, and I've taken it in stride. But I think it's pretty damn obvious to everyone that Shaq is the by and large the most dominant player in this league...still. No one commands the respect he does, no one. Call it bad officiating, he cannot be fucking stopped with one player, even the best defender in the league. Hakeem had Barkley and Drexler and Horry and Cassell. Ewing...uh...he isn't better than Shaq in any event. But Shaq can score in his sleep. I am so glad we extended his contract. The Lakers are stupid for letting this guy go. He's ten times more valuable than Kobe. The Heat will prove it this season. All Hail The Diesel! He will lead us to the promised land. PEACE.

I still think Duncan is the best player in the league and also the most dominant, but we can put that argument to rest during the finals. In his prime I would take Shaq over Duncan, but those days are over for Shaq. Even then, he is still too dominant on offense for anyone to stop when he is healthy. It doesn't seem like he can play much longer unless he gets a break from the injuries, but he has to be remembered as a top 5 center of all time easily.

And whoever compared Shaq to Ewing should be banned. Ewing is the biggest basketball fraud of all time. You were complaining about Shaq's lack of skill? So what if Ewing can shoot 30% on a fadeaway jumper (never mind he is 7 feet tall and is trying to play like Ray Fucking Allen). How about the skill to fucking run up and down the court? How about the skill to not choke away the 900 billion times you get to win a big game? How about the skill to not look like a giant space monkey?

The only thing that Ewing had going for him was he gave it his best every single game. Too bad his absolute best was never good enough for anything except to get him to the biggest game at every level and choke it away. People complain about carrying and traveling in the game now, I swear to God that I once saw Ewing take 15 steps to hit a game winner (the only one I ever saw him hit and it only took 13 extra steps). Sorry Loki, I know you are going to run in here because Jordan's toughest opponent was the Knicks for a good portion of their run, but the guy was garbage and a total scrub.

I would probably put Hakeem above Shaq, but that is debateable. Hakeem took two of the most garbage teams ever to a championship and for that I put him above Shaq. Shaq really had some studs with him on almost every team he played for (except for his first year in Orlando). Hakeem had Kenny Smith (the same guy who got outplayed by Justin Timberlake at the all star game) and Rudy 'Likes to Drink" Tomjanovich. Like Shaq he really slowed down at the end and just wasn't the same player. I expect Shaq to get a 300 million dollar contract over his final 2 seasons and not play a game to honor Hakeem's mighty legacy. And Pimpwerx, remember it was Hakeem that won in the Finals not Shaq so I don't know how you are saying Shaq got the best of that matchup. Shaq himself says that Hakeem whipped his ass in that series and to this day is pretty much one of the only centers he ever respected that he played against.

 

[Mike Works]

FUN FACT: Most people think when players motion to the sky/roof, they're thanking God. While this is true for the majority of players, Dwayne Wade is a notable exception. If we could visualize our thoughts, this is what we'd see at the end of every Miami Heat victory:

- Spurs will punish whoever wins this series

 

[DJ_Tet]

FUN FACT: Most people think when players motion to the sky/roof, they're thanking God. While this is true for the majority of players, Dwayne Wade is a notable exception. If we could visualize our thoughts, this is what we'd see at the end of every Miami Heat victory:

He played at Marquette.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Am I the only one thinking unholy thoughts about Rachel Nichols?

Damn....hey Pimpwerx, get some pics of her. She's been wearing too many damn jackets on SportsCenter recently. PEACE.

 

[Loki]

The fact that Ewing doesn't even have a championship ring nor appeared in the NBA finals automatically disqualifies him as a top 5 center.

Ewing's Knicks lost to Hakeem's Rockets in the '94 Finals. Still, though, as you said, taking Ewing over Shaq is farcical on any level.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Ewing's Knicks lost to Hakeem's Rockets in the '94 Finals. Still, though, as you said, taking Ewing over Shaq is farcical on any level.

I think that was the basis of his point. "Ewing's" knicks were an eight seed, and Ewing made no more than a token appearance.

 

[Loki]

I think that was the basis of his point. "Ewing's" knicks were an eight seed, and Ewing made no more than a token appearance.

Well, if he meant it sarcastically, then he's more clever than I, and I didn't catch it. If that's the case, then touche, TCO.


Still, I took it to mean that he didn't think Ewing ever reached the finals, so I corrected him.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

- Speaking of hype, does anyone get more bogus calls than Wade? Don't get me wrong, he's a great player but WTF?!?!?

uh, kobe?


konex every round the heat have won in, you brush it off like it's no true accomplishment. what will you say after they dethrone the defending champs? what will you say when it is proven that wade is superior to kobe in almost every way? what will you say if the heat win the championship?

all of these are what-ifs (besides the wade > kobe thing, that is fact), but i'm curious to know what you have in your bag of excuses!

 

[DJ_Tet]

Well, if he meant it sarcastically, then he's more clever than I, and I didn't catch it. If that's the case, then touche, TCO.


Still, I took it to mean that he didn't think Ewing ever reached the finals, so I corrected him.

He was subtle in his point, but I think he knew that Ewing was indeed a 10th man at least on that squad.

 

[DJ_Tet]

uh, kobe?


konex every round the heat have won in, you brush it off like it's no true accomplishment. what will you say after they dethrone the defending champs? what will you say when it is proven that wade is superior to kobe in almost every way? what will you say if the heat win the championship?

all of these are what-ifs (besides the wade > kobe thing, that is fact), but i'm curious to know what you have in your bag of excuses!

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS!

 

[DarienA]

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS!

:lol

 

[Cloudy]

uh, kobe?


konex every round the heat have won in, you brush it off like it's no true accomplishment. what will you say after they dethrone the defending champs? what will you say when it is proven that wade is superior to kobe in almost every way? what will you say if the heat win the championship?

all of these are what-ifs (besides the wade > kobe thing, that is fact), but i'm curious to know what you have in your bag of excuses!

Heat beat 2 shit teams and now they are beating Detroit with help from the refs. VERY impressive!

Isn't it strange how the officiating changed from game 1 to game 2. Look at the total fouls in the first game and look at how the refs have adjusted to SCREW the Pistons with their bogus calls :lol

These bullshit tactics won't work on SA. GO SPURS, GO!!!!

 

[levious]

I think that was the basis of his point. "Ewing's" knicks were an eight seed, and Ewing made no more than a token appearance.

in 99 against the spurs... 94 against the rockets he played plenty. Not sure if I understood what he was getting at either though.

 

[Cloudy]

Damn, I can't remember ever being this bitter about a team winning. Even the Finals last year cos it was clear Detroit had the better roster. And I thought these playoffs would be fun since my team wasn't in it >_<

Save me, Timmeh!!!!!!!!!

 

[DarienA]

Jesus not the ref whining again....

 

[Desperado]

Save me, Timmeh!!!!!!!!!

You realize you're just dooming yourself, right?

 

[bionic77]

Jesus not the ref whining again....

Yeah I hate that more than anything else. Basketball fans always whine about the refs when their team gets owned.

 

[SKluck]

The refs fucked the game up. With that said, I still don't believe they determined the outcome.

First to 90 wins.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Heat beat 2 shit teams and now they are beating Detroit with help from the refs. VERY impressive!

Isn't it strange how the officiating changed from game 1 to game 2. Look at the total fouls in the first game and look at how the refs have adjusted to SCREW the Pistons with their bogus calls

:lol

they have called the game closer on BOTH sides. compare the 12 personal fouls called on each time in game 1 versus the 33 and 29 (pistons and heat, respectively) called in game 3. a 4 foul difference is screwing the pistons? they should have been called for more fouls. when the pistons made their run late in the 3rd/early 4th, did you see how lindsay hunter was playing D up the court? i've seen the refs call fouls for less than that, but they didn't call it here. also i suppose you don't want a foul like aaroyos called where he "just touched a guys elbow! COME ON!"

how about instead of whining about officiating you say "maybe if the pistons didn't miss a gajillion FT's... maybe if shaq didn't make 4 FT's in a row... maybe if shaq was still on the lakers my team would have been in the playoffs and possibly still playing in the playoffs"

 

[DarienA]

how about instead of whining about officiating you say "maybe if the pistons didn't miss a gajillion FT's... maybe if shaq didn't make 4 FT's in a row... maybe if shaq was still on the lakers my team would have been in the playoffs and possibly still playing in the playoffs"

Hey man Shaq needs all the FT credit he can get.. he made 6 in a row.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Refs have called this series pretty even. If anything, they let Wade get a bit beatup in Game1, but a lot of that was also just terrible shot selection his part. Shaq and Zo have been getting into foul trouble just fine. I don't think the refs are cheating anyone this series. It's a pretty good defensive series, although yesterday, both teams shot well. The Heat just shot better in the 4th, and you can't blame the refs for Billups and Sheed losing their cool. You can't get a tech late in a tight game in the playoffs. They were within 5 when Sheed blew his stack, and that killed the fans and killed their momentum.

Konex's pure hatred for Shaq has been the second-best thing to happen to the Heat since we traded for Shaq. I just hope PHX can come up with a win tonight, and force the Spurs to play one more. I think Miami can take this next one in Detroit. People said Wade wasn't gonna put up 40 again on Detroit. They were right. But he came damn close. If we stick to the gameplan and focus on scoring in the paint, we open up EJ and DJ (and Rasul "OMG, I'm killing it in the playoffs" Butler) on the perimeter. Wade won't be stroking it every night. Matter of fact, I don't think we'll see a repeat of that shooting performance in Game4. I hope we do, but I'm not betting on it. So, Shaq needs to stay out of foul trouble so he can stay on court. I think he's gotten in early foul trouble in most games this playoffs. When he's in there, we are a more composed team. PEACE.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Billups did get robbed of a foul call on that one play where he basically had his lip split. But these are the playoffs, and the refs let Wade get roughed up as well. Not to mention Eddie Jones who can't fucking buy a foul. Has he been allowed to get a clean layup without getting slapped around?

 

[SKluck]

Pistons will take the next 2.

 

[Cloudy]

Pistons will only win game 4 then lose the next 2. Sorry...

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

it won't work koney. while the kobex principle is powerful, you can't use it against yourself to try and sway the cogs of fate. heat will win the nba championship, you decided that at the beginning of the season!