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Official 2008 "I Need A New PC" Thread
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Branskins said:Good idea!
So the final thing: Stick with the q6600 or go with e8500! Last call!
E8500 is better for gaming right now, and gaming in the near future, but won't age as well as the Q6600 will.
I would go with the E8500, and upgrade to a new motherboard/CPU in a year or a little more.
But if you know for a fact you won't upgrade in a little over a year, go with the Q6600, because in a year and a half or so, games will come out that are using more then two cores so the Q6600 will be better long term.
Trax416 said:
New Intel Socket supposedly focuses a lot less on gaming, I still doubt that games will be FULLY utilizing 4 cores in the future.
If you can clock the Quad to 3.6 I'd get it, if not get the E8500/8400. (imo of course)
Once you clock a Core2 to 3.2Ghz you will barely see and performance gain in terms of fps, unless it is heavily CPU driven (like Supreme Commander or other titles).
I would also suggest sticking with a single PCI-Ex16 mobo as there will always be a better single lane card out.
Hazaro said:
The upgrade he gets from picking up another 4850, for a low price in the futre, will be greater then him buying any single GPU card on the market.
He said he wants to keep his CPU for 3+ years. By then Core2's will be useless.
I have an E8400 @ 4ghz on 1.27V. It's faster then any Q6600 now, but I know that games will come out that support multi cores in the future, and the E8400, even at 4ghz will not cut it. Which is fine by me, because it's still good for a long time.
VaLiancY said:
Hazaro said:
That's my current value build. It can play everything on the market fantastically and nothing that is higher than Crysis is coming out soon.
While I'm at it, I'll post the upcoming PC titles too :lol
This is why "You need a new PC"
August 29, 2008 S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky
August 31, 2008 Mercenaries 2: World in Flames
September 7, 2008 Spore
September 16, 2008 Crysis Warhead
October 1, 2008 Far Cry 2
October 7, 2008 Fallout 3
October 20, 2008 Dead Space
November 17, 2008 Left 4 Dead
November 18, 2008 Grand Theft Auto IV
November 25, 2008 Huxley [Free on ijji]
Someone correct me if I'm wrong on anything (Build or dates)
Hazaro said:
The thing with Crysis is, it's coded like shit. thats why it hurts systems so bad. A game can come out that looks just as good, but if it's coded correctly, it will run far better on current system then Crysis ever did and look just as good.
I mean, you know your game is coded like shit, when random modders are releasing tweeks that modify the code of the game to make it run better.
mambadragon
Banned
I for some reason want to upgrade my 8800GT to a 4870, but I'm having no problem playing any games at 1920x1200 (with one exception of course ). I think I have a problem.
). I think I have a problem.Trax416 said:
New post for different subject.
That's a slick chip you have there, my E7200 does 3.8 on 1.3V load.
I am not impressed by the 45nm quads, or the info released to far on the new chips at all.
While there are large gains for many other programs, the new boards and sockets, along with DDR3 make it seemingly unjustifiable for any gamer to upgrade to the new platform.
Going by Intels "tick tock" routine, Core2's will be solid for another 2+ years especially because GPU's are becoming insanly powerful at the computations they need to good at. With no major breakthough in CPU based physics processing, and GPU PHysX a realty now I don't see CPU's playing a large role in graphics in the near (2+ years) upcoming future.
Any resolution of recent monitors 1600+ GPU power is the only thing that matters.
Everything of course is imo, but that is what I am betting on.
Trax416 said:
You can't blame it for going way beyond anythying else, plus Warhead will be optimized better. Tweaks are mainly for view distance iirc. But that's not the main point of my post or the thread.
njp142 said:I for some reason want to upgrade my 8800GT to a 4870, but I'm having no problem playing any games at 1920x1200 (with one exception of course
I felt the same pang when it was released, but I know I don't need it.
Hazaro said:
Thats how I hope it goes, and I hope they find away around CPU bottle necking certain GPU's.
However people always over exaggerate what you need. When single core'es were out, everyone HAD to upgrade to core2's because they are so good for "multi-tasking". Now core 2 quads launch, and Core2's magically become shit at multi tasking. To the point where people say "well if you want to run Firefox, and music, while playing a game, get a quad core". Which is pretty fucking retarded.
I am impressed with the 45nm quads for things like rendering, photoshop work, and other extremely powerful multi threaded application. However for things like normal multi tasking, and gaming, they don't impress me more then say an E8400.
There is a reason I have a Q9450 in my work machine, and an E8400 in my game machine.
JSnake said:
this is with AA. Without, it plays it at an even higher FPS, passing cards like the 8800 and 9800.
The higher the resolution, the better the ATI cards do in comparison to other cards.
Also keep in mind, many of the first reviews for the card, like the one you are looking at, are with older drivers. Newer drivers have been released, and the card is now far better then the 9800GTX is, much much better.
I am also not biased, as I have a 9800GTX. :lol
Trax416 said:
Agreed.
I have extreme distaste for the 45nm Quads because besides SS4.1 the Q6600 can do it, and clock EVEN BETTER (If it's G0 of course), for a lot cheaper.
The only people that need quads are people who do CAD, and heavy graphics work. Heck even the video encoders I use are all dual core only. :lol
When irks me is that the new chip will offer like 100% improvement in some areas and 5% in others.
*To clarify before someone asks, it's only the super GPUs that cause bottlenecks.
What's the best I can build for $600CAD?
No monitor required.
Preferably using parts available at http://www.memoryexpress.com/
since they have a physical location in town and time is of the essence. But if that's too much trouble, I don't necessarily need them from there.
EDIT: Only requirement is that it's better than this:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10108778&catid
No monitor required.
Preferably using parts available at http://www.memoryexpress.com/
since they have a physical location in town and time is of the essence. But if that's too much trouble, I don't necessarily need them from there.
EDIT: Only requirement is that it's better than this:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10108778&catid
Antec Nine Hundred Black Case
ASUS P5W LGA 775 Intel P45
CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI 700W ATX12V Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3750330AS 750GB
ASUS Xonar D2X
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner
This is it. My budget is $1500. I can save $250 and get a 4870 or spend it on the X2 variant. I pretty much wanted to have something with enough legs for at least 2 years for the GPU. I also wanted to put an afterstock fan for my CPU, I have no knowledge of overclocking and I wanted to know if its difficult installing one. I just wanted to sleep sound knowing my PC is cool.
ASUS P5W LGA 775 Intel P45
CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI 700W ATX12V Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3750330AS 750GB
ASUS Xonar D2X
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner
This is it. My budget is $1500. I can save $250 and get a 4870 or spend it on the X2 variant. I pretty much wanted to have something with enough legs for at least 2 years for the GPU. I also wanted to put an afterstock fan for my CPU, I have no knowledge of overclocking and I wanted to know if its difficult installing one. I just wanted to sleep sound knowing my PC is cool.
VaLiancY said:
The 4870X2 will last the longest. It's amazing, hasn't peaked, and the best card money can buy.
Putting an aftermarket HSF on your CPU is not hard. Just watch a video tutorial. However, some of them can be difficult. The ones that use the Standard Intel 775 clips are the most annoying.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Trax416 said:
Well, yes and no to that, really. Reviewers were very quick to crown the 4870 the victor, but I've seen a few reviews that paint slightly different pictures (and I've posted them in the other thread). On top of that, you have the larger frame buffer and a highly OC'able GPU and memory. That said, I don't think any wants to see me go off on a tirade about it. :lol
VaLiancY said:
4870x2 called, it wants your money.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Hazaro said:
Hmmmm...Far Cry 2 is off. Coming out on 10/21.
Branskins said:
What do you mean by "drop its support?" You're going to have the manufacturer's warranty, and I'm sure driver development will continue for awhile. It's not like a magical ATI driver set is going to add more memory and brute force to the 4870.
The GX2 is a great value and an amazing performer. That's all that can be said.
Romance Pie
Member
Trax416 said:
I was really surprised how easy it was to install the freezer pro 7 even though it has the same style clips as the stock fan.
What voltage does it get dodgey on the 45 nm chips? as I know they can get burnt out easier than the previous intel cpu's
VaLiancY said:
Hanzou? :lol I hope that's another members name.
Like Trax said, they are all the same. They come from the same factories (Foxconn / Flextronics) and they get to put their own sticker on it. Sometimes companies like Palit will change a few aspects, but otherwise cards are the same.
1.3V for 45nm is a nice place.
Just make sure to keep the VTT/MCH 1.3V or below. At least that's what one post on Anandtech said... Never followed up on that.
Romance Pie
Member
Hazaro said:
Ahh thanks Hanzou, mine currently set at 3.6 at 1.25v
It weird though games say my CPU is at 3.8ghz (and windows), but the latest CPU-Z say its at 3.6ghz
Also just ordered a xonar DX sound card to give tunes and games more life.
Romance Pie said:
Never push the Vcore past 1.42, and to even get there, you will need to be overclocking a lot, with an amazing cooler, water cooling, or have a shit chip.
Not all CPU's are created equal. Some batch numbers, which are numbers in which a group of chips are produced, will do WAY better then others.
I have a Q807 chip, which is one of the best. I can get to 4.0ghz at 1.27Vcore. I could probably go lower, but I didn't bother. Someone also got to 4.0Ghz on 1.22 Vcore with the same batch.
However, say the Q806 batch, might take 1.31 volts to get to 4.0ghz. It all depends on the CPU.
Also remember to monitor Vdrop. Just because it says it's at 1.3 volts in your Bios, it doesn't make it right. Also keep an eye on Vdroop. When under load, your CPu voltage will drop. So it might be say 1.3 on idle, but when you put load on it, it could drop to 1.26 and be unstable. The difference between the two, is your Vdroop. Your Vdrop is the difference between the voltage in your Bios, and what CPU-Z says. CPU-Z is more accurate then the Bios BTW.
So to be clear.
Vdrop - Vdrop is the difference in Vcore, between what your BIOS says, and what CPU-Z says. CPU-Z is right, and Bios is wrong. so take that into account when changing your Vcore.
Vdroop - Vdroop is the difference between your voltage when Idle and under load (according to CPU-Z). When your CPU is idle, your Voltage might be at 1.3, but when it's under load, it could drop to 1.26. That would give you a 0.04 Vdroop.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Trax416 said:
Warhead is going to be different. Each of the developers were given a $600 dollar PC and said.... "Optimize".
Crysis was shit code hence why it's been EOL'ed and now Crysis Warhead is going to get all the treatment.
I don't expect this newer release to suck as much balls as Crysis did.... hell I never even played Crysis because in my view it simply was a glorified tech demo. Warhead though... looks promising.
Trax416 said:
All very good info. I had a 807 myself for a bit, wanted to test it out, but 1.3 for 4.0 was all I got from it. My mobo didn't want to go past 525FSB :lol So I couldn't tear up any benchmarks.
VictimOfGrief said:
:lol :lol :lol
Crysis Warhead is basically an expansion pack :lol
Everything is the same :lol
Go play the demo with the CCC modifier.
Romance Pie
Member
Trax416 said:
Cheers Trax!
My mate who helped me overclock it mentioned the Vdroop that happens. Just wanted to be sure that I wasn't cooking my chip as it was only stock speeds for 30 seconds after the first post.
Stalker never looked so pretty now (playing it on static lighting the first time on medium settings)
Romance Pie said:
I'm not a big fan of the Intel pin system. I kind of wish they would have done the same thing as AMD where you just clip it on, but to each his own I guess. It's kind of weird, I think Intel has a better way of installing the processor itself, not having to deal with bent pins and such, but AMD has a better way of installing the cooler.
Do the latest AM2 processors still have those pins that you have to line up perfectly to install the CPU?
njp142 said:I for some reason want to upgrade my 8800GT to a 4870, but I'm having no problem playing any games at 1920x1200 (with one exception of course
Naw, upgraditis is very common. Immediately after building a new PC I always regret not buying higher end parts. It's seeing the better new stuff come out and the prices dropping fast that comforts me for not buying the highest end stuff (which tends to lose the most value the fastest).
beat
Member
How's this?
Antec Sonata III 500
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
Patriot Memory Extreme Performance PC2-6400 Low Latency - 4.0GB Dual-Channel Kit
Samsung SpinPoint F1 750GB
Samsung SH-223F
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB
Briefly, how do the various Gigabyte P45 chipset motherboards differ? I'm aiming around sub-$1000 and going for a quiet (not truly silent) PC without water cooling. Is the stock CPU cooler good enough for heat and noise levels? I don't plan on overclocking.
I like the Sonata for the ease of access to the internal HDs, and decent power supply included, but I could be persuaded to go for something else. Preferably not a bigger something else, though. Full-size towers are too big.
Antec Sonata III 500
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R
Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
Patriot Memory Extreme Performance PC2-6400 Low Latency - 4.0GB Dual-Channel Kit
Samsung SpinPoint F1 750GB
Samsung SH-223F
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB
Briefly, how do the various Gigabyte P45 chipset motherboards differ? I'm aiming around sub-$1000 and going for a quiet (not truly silent) PC without water cooling. Is the stock CPU cooler good enough for heat and noise levels? I don't plan on overclocking.
I like the Sonata for the ease of access to the internal HDs, and decent power supply included, but I could be persuaded to go for something else. Preferably not a bigger something else, though. Full-size towers are too big.
beat said:
Good build, but something I would change/think about.
1. I would think about getting in E8400 over an E7200
2. I would get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131275 Over the motherboard you have. You will see no difference, you aren't OC'ing.
3. Put the $30 you save towards getting the E8400
4. Everything will run perfectly fine at stock, but make sure your room doesn't get to warm, and you have high CFM fans in your case.
Slavik81 said:
Do you have a case and power supply on hand? HDD and OS too?
If you can salvage an old system, you can easily build a rig that's way better than that HP machine for less than $600.
E2xxx+heatsink or X2 5000, 4GB ram, cheap motherboard, and 8800GT (since it runs on most standard power supplies) should be more than sufficient.
beat said:
Go for a cheap case with a decent power supply and you'll save a few $$$. Most case designs are way overblown if you're not OCing and/or if you're not an enthusiast.
How about this?
I need 1066FSB DDR2 RAM, though. I budgeted $50-70 for it. That about right? What should I grab? Maybe this ram:
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX21022(ME).aspx
or this:
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX14887(ME).aspx
I'll be running Vista Buisness.
As a student, I have access to a free OS.
But there's nothing to salvage.
- Case/PSU: ANTEC Sonata III Quiet Super Mini Tower w/ EarthWatts 500W, eSATA
- Mobo: Asus P5K-SE w/ DualDDR2 1066, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, PCI-E x16
- CPU: Intel Core2 Duo Processor E7200 2.53GHz w/ 3MB Cache
- GPU: BFG GeForce 8800 GT OC 512MB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDTV-Out
- HDD: SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda 7200.11 SATA II w/ NCQ, 32MB Cache
- DVD: LG Super Multi Security DVD Writer 20x20x12x, SATA w/ Lightscribe, Black (OEM)
I need 1066FSB DDR2 RAM, though. I budgeted $50-70 for it. That about right? What should I grab? Maybe this ram:
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX21022(ME).aspx
or this:
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX14887(ME).aspx
I'll be running Vista Buisness.
Just saw your post.SRG01 said:
As a student, I have access to a free OS.
But there's nothing to salvage.
Romance Pie
Member
Esperado said:
The Intel Stock cooler pins are kinda freaky when sticking it in. Have heard people cracking their boards as well.
But the Artic cooler went on really easily, no uneasy feelings and just simply clicked in.
Did this twice as well so it wasn't first time luck (case has a detachable mobo tray but wouldn't fit back in as the cooler was too big)
Broseybrose
Member
Hazaro said:Who says you can't play Crysis on TV's?
that looks like the natural mod. normal crysis is not so blue.
is it true what you said about warhead performing just as poorly as the original? it doesnt surprise me at all, but i have to wonder how theyre getting away with the claims of 30+fps with "all the bells and whistles turned on" on an 8600GT. theyre probably not mentioning that theyre playing it at 1024x768... assholes :lol
i have a 1920x1200 monitor and an 8800GTX. crysis hurt it badly (15-35fps on HIGH), and didnt even look that good because AA is impossible at that res. that 'edgeAA' was nonsense.