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Official "I need a new PC!!" 2009 Edition
- Thread starter VictimOfGrief
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viciouskillersquirrel
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I can address ~3.8GB worth, IIRC. I've just been wary of 64bit versions because of compatibility issues.zoku88 said:
Shinz Kicker
Banned
viciouskillersquirrel said:
beaten. 64bit modes in games provide better performance. i have had 64bit since Christmas and general use nothing has gone wrong because of it being 64.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
*sigh*
So does this mean that I'll have to call up and ask them to alter my order before I pick it up tomorrow?
So does this mean that I'll have to call up and ask them to alter my order before I pick it up tomorrow?
Crazymoogle
Member
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Well, Windows 7 is a huge breath of fresh air (and rock solid too), but yeah, it's hard to say what happens in august.
My sympathies over having to pay that much for Office, though. :/ It was as low as 50cdn over the christmas break.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I emailed them and asked them to swap out the 32bit Vista for the 64bit version.
Shinz Kicker
Banned
Crazymoogle said:
Open Office?
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Are you a student? You can get the Student Office deal (Ultimate!) for just AUD75.
http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/itsnotcheating/default.aspx
(Change Country/Region to Australia)
Heck, you might also want Vista Ultimate (Upgrade) SP1 for AUD80 - click on additional products. You can use upgrade as a new installation - just 'upgrade' twice.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2007/01/6828.ars
Crazymoogle
Member
Shinz Kicker said:
Sure, if you're desperate (or really want to save $). But the formatting on it sucks and if you have to deal with people who actually use Office a lot, you'll save a ton of headaches by using the same software and not something with problematic conversion.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I used Open Office many years ago. I'd rather just have seamless portability of my files between work, home and uni.Shinz Kicker said:
Oh wow. I didn't know about this. Thanks.Pachael said:
I have to disagree since the benches are for a 4870x2 and he will only be using a GTX 260. In addition the cost of a Core 2 that would pull the same frames would cost $80 (CPU) + $70 (mobo) $50 (RAM) + $25 (Cooler, swap for $25 Rosewill) === $200 lessgodhandiscen said:Hey Hazaro, thanks for the knowledge. I seriously didn't know.
Now, for an AM3 rig at 800 dollars. I would say:
Phenom II X3 720 $150
ASUS M4A79T Deluxe $200
GTX260 $220
3x1GB DDR3 $90
True 120 CPU Cooler. $60
Case & PSU $100
That is $820 but the Phenom II X3 beats any Core 2 Duo (new benches just released).
It's upgradeable to a Core 2 Quad which I believe is all the "future proofing" we need atm.
My opinion of course.
Like I said before there are no real big advantages unless you are using $400 in graphic power. I'm all for holding out since no game is coming out to demand upgrading.
Like I said, 22nm all the way
I used Open Office for a good while, but the spelling and grammar check suck. I've never run into compatibility issues since I always saved in .doc (98/2000/XP) and .pptCrazymoogle said:
However, if you can get Office for student price definitely go for it, I got my copy from an IT guy and won't look back.
Office 2007 anyway, the new .docx is stupid and it auto saves as that type only to have people come in to try and open it. Ugh.
rohlfinator
Member
When are ATI's next-gen cards expected to show up? If it's not too late into the year, I might have to wait on those to build my box.godhandiscen said:
BlackGoku03
Member
No overclocking yet... what games have you played and at what settings? How did it perform?Clever Pun said:
I don't really want to overclock as I was told processors don't last as long. That is true right? I have read it somewhere.JudgeN said:
Also... that mobo is a little high. I'd be going slightly over budget. Anything similar to it for a little less? It may go own in price if I wait but I want to have everything by April.
I also want this GPU. What do you guys think?
Overclock of 1.3V or 1.35V on a Q6600 will reduce it's life from like 20 years to 15 tops really.BlackGoku03 said:
It's nothing to worry about esp on the 65nm chips.
I'm too lazy to dig up all the info I read about 2 years ago, but don't worry about it. It'll hit 3.0Ghz with ease at a low voltage, heck even stock in some cases.
Get a $150 4850 and select what you want (STALKER, Gaming mouse, etc for free)
BlackGoku03
Member
I wonder how well I'd be able to run Crysis with the 4850. It looks like a good one to choose. I really want that game and Far Cry 2 at the best it can look.Hazaro said:
I really can't wait to get more serious with editing too... and I'm about to get a pro camera!
lachesis
Member
So, I finally got the approval for Core i7 upgrade from my wife. I'll be breaking my piggy bank (literally), and will have to sell off my Maximus Formula, Q6600 and RAM modules, first.
Anyhow, I'm pretty much locked and set my mind on Core i7 920 to begin with. However it's the motherboard that I'm rather torn apart...
ASUS P6T Deluxe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131346
or
ASUS Rampage II Extreme
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131352
or
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128362
My current LGA775 board is X38 Maximus Formula. Recommended to me by someone I know. While I know that I don't utilize much from this MB by not OC'ing too much... but having all that stuff is pretty neat, and I do plan on OC'ing Core i7 920 to at least 3.6 to 3.8 stable.
It does seem like for what I'm using, any of above would work just fine... but this whole unpractical tendency of getting the "best" is making me quite a bit hesistant. Realistically, and since I'm rather fond of ASUS boards, I'm leaning towards P6T - as it's pretty much neck-to-neck with Rampage II Extreme... and the degree of my OC'ing would be well within the limits of any of above MBs... but, but...
Same goes with DDR3 Memory. I'd like to get that expensive Corsair DDR3-1600 tripple 6gb set, even though I'm only running 32bit XP as of now. I might dual-os it when I get the new Windows 7, perhaps later this year - but I don't have any need for 6gb, none. I could buy 3gb set of that corsair DDR3 1600 for less than half the price, but this time, the name "future proof" is making me not make the logical choice: buy 3gb and sell it off later..kinda thing. (And ebay's too much of hassle..)
But since I've gotten the go-ahead, I now have a little bit of time and relief. I can now concentrate on more important matters first - such as doing the taxes for this year, as well as do some mortgage hunting for my refinance while the interest rates are low.... etc etc.
My final question would be:
I have 520w Modular PSU for my current rig. GPU is 8800 GTS 512mb, g92 one. I"ll be keeping that GPU for a while (since this Core i7 would be mostly for 3DS Max, so CPU/RAM's more important) - and I have a couple of HDDs, and 1 DVD writer, a few case fans and Zalman 9700 cpu cooler. Would this 520w Corsair PSU enough to power OC'ed Core i7 920 and MB+RAM?
Anyhow, I'm pretty much locked and set my mind on Core i7 920 to begin with. However it's the motherboard that I'm rather torn apart...
ASUS P6T Deluxe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131346
or
ASUS Rampage II Extreme
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131352
or
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128362
My current LGA775 board is X38 Maximus Formula. Recommended to me by someone I know. While I know that I don't utilize much from this MB by not OC'ing too much... but having all that stuff is pretty neat, and I do plan on OC'ing Core i7 920 to at least 3.6 to 3.8 stable.
It does seem like for what I'm using, any of above would work just fine... but this whole unpractical tendency of getting the "best" is making me quite a bit hesistant. Realistically, and since I'm rather fond of ASUS boards, I'm leaning towards P6T - as it's pretty much neck-to-neck with Rampage II Extreme... and the degree of my OC'ing would be well within the limits of any of above MBs... but, but...
Same goes with DDR3 Memory. I'd like to get that expensive Corsair DDR3-1600 tripple 6gb set, even though I'm only running 32bit XP as of now. I might dual-os it when I get the new Windows 7, perhaps later this year - but I don't have any need for 6gb, none. I could buy 3gb set of that corsair DDR3 1600 for less than half the price, but this time, the name "future proof" is making me not make the logical choice: buy 3gb and sell it off later..kinda thing. (And ebay's too much of hassle..
)But since I've gotten the go-ahead, I now have a little bit of time and relief. I can now concentrate on more important matters first - such as doing the taxes for this year, as well as do some mortgage hunting for my refinance while the interest rates are low.... etc etc.
My final question would be:
I have 520w Modular PSU for my current rig. GPU is 8800 GTS 512mb, g92 one. I"ll be keeping that GPU for a while (since this Core i7 would be mostly for 3DS Max, so CPU/RAM's more important) - and I have a couple of HDDs, and 1 DVD writer, a few case fans and Zalman 9700 cpu cooler. Would this 520w Corsair PSU enough to power OC'ed Core i7 920 and MB+RAM?
BlackGoku03
Member
^How much for your Q6660 and heatsink?
lachesis
Member
BlackGoku03 said:
You probably don't want my Q6600... it's not G0 Stepping, so it doesn't OC that well. I've pushed for about 3.2ghz, but temp was a bit too high for my taste, so I reverted back to just regular 2.4ghz shortly after.
I'm not even sure how much I should ask for B3 (I think) Q6600. Just my luck. I built mine just before G0 came out. LOL!
lachesis
Member
Hazaro said:
Hazaro, you are absolutely correct - that was my logical conclusion. But my ego (lol) thinks otherwise... sigh.
Then again, it's just a computer. It will get outdated no matter how much I spend in a couple of years, so yeah. I think I'll go that route.
- Thanks for confirming that logical solution. My normal P5B is a trooper, boards are solid, features aren't worth $100 extra.lachesis said:Hazaro, you are absolutely correct - that was my logical conclusion. But my ego (lol) thinks otherwise... sigh.
Then again, it's just a computer. It will get outdated no matter how much I spend in a couple of years, so yeah. I think I'll go that route.
I'd take GB if it was maybe $230 or so, but it's not.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
According to Toms Hardware the Phenom II X3 is faster than the Core 2 Duo and the Cor i7 with a single GPU configuration. Notice the X3 isnt even OC'd there. Those numbers are done with a GTX280 I believe.Hazaro said:I have to disagree since the benches are for a 4870x2 and he will only be using a GTX 260. In addition the cost of a Core 2 that would pull the same frames would cost $80 (CPU) + $70 (mobo) $50 (RAM) + $25 (Cooler, swap for $25 Rosewill) === $200 less
It's upgradeable to a Core 2 Quad which I believe is all the "future proofing" we need atm.
My opinion of course.
Like I said before there are no real big advantages unless you are using $400 in graphic power. I'm all for holding out since no game is coming out to demand upgrading.
Like I said, 22nm all the way
I am also incredulous about it. However, TH released a second article proving their results. AM3 + Phenom II are stronger in real world scenarios.
"If this is still a graphical bottleneck for the GeForce GTX 280, then our conclusion from the AM3 launch holds true, and the Phenom II really is faster in real-world gaming scenarios." link
I have a hard time recommending an AMD rig, specially after my horrible experience with the original Phenom. However, those numbers seem to indicate AMD turned around big time. In any case, the Core 2 Duo is also an excellent choice, and is cheaper than the AM3 + Ph2 combo.
Anbother quote, and the one that convinced me of building and X3 rig for my brother:
"The X3 720 Black Edition looks to be a great enthusiast CPU for those on a budget that are looking for some very solid performance in the gaming arena. Match it up with some inexpensive DDR3-1333, which should be fairly easy to do since AMDs internal memory controlling is not as restricting as Intels in terms of voltage, and you can have yourself a scorching 3.5GHz barebones gaming system easily around $400 sans the video card. " This one by the AMD haters themselves, [H] .
Apparently there is a way to get the DDr3+CPU+AM3 mobo combo for $400, but I haven't read the article that much.
Also, what do you mean by 22nm all the way? I am lost there.
Clever Pun
Member
BlackGoku03 said:
Most of my play time so far has been in Mass Effect, and the performance has been excellent. I play at 1440x900, everything is turned as high as it can go. I did turn dynamic shadows off, but that was because I didn't like it, not because it affected performance. I don't have fraps, but I've never noticed any significant frame skipping or screen tearing. Loading is super fast as well.
I've also played some LoTRO on ultra high, with the high-res texture client with all the DX10 features. Again, no performance complaints - the only slow down I do get is due to network lag.
I also have Bioshock, prey, and the orange box games if you want to know specifics on them, but I haven't booted them up since I built the new machine (just a few weeks ago now).
godhandiscen said:
It's hard to recommend imo when the Core 2 stays within 1% of the results of the more expensive Phenom II. (At realistic resolutions according to Tom's Hardware)
I will stick with my Core 2 Duo, maybe upgrade to a Core 2 Quad if need be, until Intel/AMD releases the better 22nm CPU.
BlackGoku03 said:
Na man an overclocked processor will last forever and a stock Q6600 is only 2.4 gig. I thought video editing was processor heavy so your going to want more speed and if you want to play Crysis/Far Cry2/etc you will need at least 3.2Gig on your processor. All Q6600 now a days are GO stepping and will hit 3.2 easy without much work at all. Here is a cheaper motherboard that is also a pretty good overclocker so when the time come and you want to overclock you will be able too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128345
I would really recommend a good CPU fan, even if you don't want to overclock it now. In a few years you might want to for the extra performance. Here our a couple of great Quad fans.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185074
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608002 (This is my fan and I love it but its expensive.)
The HD4850 is a great GPU but you can find it cheaper then that, try other makers. But it will run whatever you want to play.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
If I had a Core 2 Duo, there would be no reason to upgrade. Specially if my processor could OC as much as yours. However, my old setup couldn't break 2.9GHz and was slower per core clock. Also, I thought Intel's new processor was 32nm.Hazaro said:
3x1GB DDR3 perform better than 2x2GB DDR3. The reason is beacuse it is triple channel memory, and you will only be using 2 channels in the latter.Tideas said:
YuriLowell
Member
So it looks like my RAM is holding back my overclock because even at 3.4 on my Phenom 2. It blue screens while playing Lost Planet.
Ive got the Cheap Corsair XMS at 800.
I was thinking of getting some ddr 2-1066.
Any idea what the best memory and any tips to get this thing running better.
Ive got the Cheap Corsair XMS at 800.
I was thinking of getting some ddr 2-1066.
Any idea what the best memory and any tips to get this thing running better.
fatigues_gasolini
Member
So whats the requirement for triple channel? If a board has 4 slots, and I pop in 3 1GB sticks, will that do it?
fatigues_gasolini
Member
Slavik81 said:
Well, yeah. The mobo im looking at has DDR3 support, but only 4 mem slots. Im wondering if just popping in 3, and leaving one empty will still allow for triple channel setup.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
You talking a 1366 X58 board or a 775 P45 board?gamerecks said:
Crazymoogle
Member
The Intel DX58SO does triple channel AFAIK, though you lose that if you fill channel 4. Not sure about non-Core i7 boards, though.
fatigues_gasolini
Member
VictimOfGrief said:
This is the one
ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131363
rohlfinator
Member
K.Jack said:
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Tideas said:
We are talking about you running a single game. Now, if you are going to run a game, with applications in the background for easy alt+tabbing, then the safest is 4GB.
fatigues_gasolini
Member
Slavik81 said:
Thanks for the info.
In no way is this true at the moment. The bandwidth of dual channel isn't even fully tapped, no way is triple channel really tapped. More is better in this case.Tideas said:
EDIT: The thing about RAM is that the bandwidth is already pretty good for nowaday uses. The thing that is lacking is actually the latency. That's the reason why processors need a cache in the first place (low latency memory.) Triple channel actually increases the latency going from dual channel.
MWS Natural
Member
godhandiscen said:
I've been doing some reading on the Phenom II and it looks like these can overlock to 4GHZ safely with just air cooling? That's pretty amazing if true.
Intel/AMD's next should be 32nm. I'll most likely be skipping that and waiting on 22nm.godhandiscen said:
It all depends on what Intel does with it's integrated GPU and how it approaches the CPU core aspect of it. Additionally if Intel runs into fab problems on 22nm (theoretical limit of modern electronics) then I'd pick up 32nm.
DDR3 performance is mainly just for benches. There's almost no performance gain. (2-5% real world)
It's also $100 more expensive for LESS RAM.
More like 3.5Ghz. 4Ghz is way way too high to call safe air cooling even with a TRUE.MWS Natural said:
Hey guys just put together my first computer! Congrats to me!
Anyways the motherboard comes with a vga slot which i need for my old crt monitor. When i installed a radeon 4670 does that mean the motherboard can't output video at all? I tried it and it powered on but didn't get any signal in the vga.
! Congrats to me!Anyways the motherboard comes with a vga slot which i need for my old crt monitor. When i installed a radeon 4670 does that mean the motherboard can't output video at all? I tried it and it powered on but didn't get any signal in the vga.