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[NekoFever]

It’s best to not really set your expectations too high for iTunes, as you’ll likely be disappointed. Doubtful about a full 64-bit cocoa iTunes so close to 10.6's release.

Yeah, I was kind of assuming that it would have been in Snow Leopard when it shipped if it was this close to being done. It would be nice, though, and 64-bit would have been a nice feature to mark the 9.0 release. iTunes is one of the Apple apps that could really use the speed boost and some spring cleaning of the code could really help.

I'll keep my fingers crossed anyway.

 

[mrkgoo]

It’s best to not really set your expectations too high for iTunes, as you’ll likely be disappointed. Doubtful about a full 64-bit cocoa iTunes so close to 10.6's release.

I think it's likely. I would think they probably had it ready for Snow Leopard, but they kind of always reveal iTunes during some sort of separate event, anywhere near September, and they'd probably do it with the iPods, perhaps to show off some new features.

What's the history of other iTunes releases?

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Eh, I think it's pretty likely a 64-bit iTunes will be announced. Rumor is that their might be a Beatles announcement there as well. Maybe they wanted to announce it all at once as a show-stopping iTunes event. I can see execs wanting to hold back on 64 bit iTunes with SL for a few weeks regarding the hypothetical circumstances.

 

[Futureman]

I bet iTunes will be 64-bit but they probably won't really make a big deal about it as most people don't know what that even means.

No Beatles. The box-set CDs come out that day, why would Apple Corp. want to fracture the sales like that? Beatles on iTunes/Amazon/whatever will probably be its own little announcement sometime next year I'd say.

 

[Chamber]

in stacks? my assortment of wmv files seem to be fine but it took FOREVER for it to load them. it took over 10 seconds at least just for the first icon to load. then reentering the stacks only 5 seconds later and they have to reload again. im sorry but i cannot stand this icon loading time. sucks so much

After restarting my macbook, there's still a few that won't load for whatever reason but it's mostly fine now. Once the first icon loads, which does take a long time, the rest seem to follow quickly.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

They made a big deal about Snow Leopard because it introduced 64 bit applications. Why wouldn't they make iTunes 64 bit a big deal?

 

[Futureman]

They made a big deal about Snow Leopard because it introduced 64 bit applications. Why wouldn't they make iTunes 64 bit a big deal?

They made a big deal about it at the WWDC.

I'm not saying they won't say anything about it, but the music events are always consumer oriented.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Just got Snow Leopard finally...so yeah all I've noticed so far is changing how to view the dock content (GO Grid!).

 

[Sean]

Hopefully Apple has had some top-secret internal development team rebuilding iTunes from scratch for the last few years. That's the only way I can ever imagine an iTunes rewrite happening. It's a huge undertaking.

Even then it'd be pretty unlikely that they'd be able to keep pace with new features added or that Apple would just spring an all-new version (potentially major bugs) on 200 million people.

 

[LCfiner]

I think it's likely. I would think they probably had it ready for Snow Leopard, but they kind of always reveal iTunes during some sort of separate event, anywhere near September, and they'd probably do it with the iPods, perhaps to show off some new features.

What's the history of other iTunes releases?

almost always at the september event but the one that intro’d podcasts came at wwdc, I think (version 4?)

I would really like to see a faster iTunes this year. whether they do that via porting to cocoa or not is less important than the final result of increased speed accessing devices, store, grid mode, start up time, etc…

it’s really all I have to look forward to since it’s not like I’m buying an ipod anytime soon as an iPhone user…

well, maybe OS 3.1 will have some cool features that haven’t been leaked yet.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Fuck a rewrite, I just want it faster so grid mode isn't a complete hog to scroll through.

 

[Chamber]

Coming from Windows, grid view already seems blazing to me...

 

[Futureman]

Using a Mac here, don't use Grid view, but iTunes overall is blazing for me. Never any hangups or anything. I use Coverflow and love it.

Are you people who are complaining about iTunes using G4 Cubes or something?

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

No, I'm using a year old Macbook Pro. And I'm not complaining, I really love iTunes, but I use Grid mode whenever I use the iTunes interface and it goes too slow while scrolling through it. It's a shame, too, because I love how it organizes everything compared to the other view options.

 

[Futureman]

No, I'm using a year old Macbook Pro. And I'm not complaining, I really love iTunes, but I use Grid mode whenever I use the iTunes interface and it goes too slow while scrolling through it. It's a shame, too, because I love how it organizes everything compared to the other view options.

yea I think I remember trying out the gridview and it was annoying because when you scrolled down to the bottom, and then back up all the thumbnails of the albums would have to reload.

This is actually similar to what happens in Coverflow but it isn't as annoying as things don't get choppy at all.

and yes, I love iTunes as well.

 

[LCfiner]

Using a Mac here, don't use Grid view, but iTunes overall is blazing for me. Never any hangups or anything. I use Coverflow and love it.

Are you people who are complaining about iTunes using G4 Cubes or something?

it’s little things like the pause when clicking on “applications” and the super slow scrolling within the app list

or the pause in loading album artwork in grid view

just skimming through stuff in list view or cover flow is fast and search is fast. it’s the switching between sources and the startup time that kills me.

I guess I just hate the annoyances since I have itunes running, like, for every waking moment my computer is on.


edit: another thing that should be fixed. when the Get Info window is open, I should still be able to access the main itunes window. that modal dialog window is SHIT! (is that a Carbon thing?)

 

[Ashhong]

After restarting my macbook, there's still a few that won't load for whatever reason but it's mostly fine now. Once the first icon loads, which does take a long time, the rest seem to follow quickly.

i waited forever yesterday and it didnt load past the first 5 or so. its so damn slow

 

[mrkgoo]

it’s little things like the pause when clicking on “applications” and the super slow scrolling within the app list

or the pause in loading album artwork in grid view

just skimming through stuff in list view or cover flow is fast and search is fast. it’s the switching between sources and the startup time that kills me.

I guess I just hate the annoyances since I have itunes running, like, for every waking moment my computer is on.


edit: another thing that should be fixed. when the Get Info window is open, I should still be able to access the main itunes window. that modal dialog window is SHIT! (is that a Carbon thing?)

I think that pause is related to it not really caching the App icons - I see them load up briefly (or maybe just updating or paging the cache).

Can someone check something for me?

Under Leopard, I swear the screen zoom was ctrl+scroll. I just checked on my Snow Leopard (System Preferences -> Trackpad -> Screen Zoom -> Options), and it's Option+command. Did Snow Leopard change this? (Because holding those keys and -/= does the same thing) OR did I inadvertently change it?

What do you guys have?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Ctrl + scroll

I actually encountered a friend's co-worker last week that had the zoom in for days. She didn't know what caused it or would make it go away, so she just got used to it. Then she had the "oh god, that's so easy, I'm so dumb" moment when I zoomed it back to normal.

 

[LCfiner]

I think that pause is related to it not really caching the App icons - I see them load up briefly (or maybe just updating or paging the cache).

Can someone check something for me?

Under Leopard, I swear the screen zoom was ctrl+scroll. I just checked on my Snow Leopard (System Preferences -> Trackpad -> Screen Zoom -> Options), and it's Option+command. Did Snow Leopard change this? (Because holding those keys and -/= does the same thing) OR did I inadvertently change it?

What do you guys have?

still ctrl + scroll for me. I think that’s because I have a mouse connected and the scroll option s under the mouse pref pane.

 

[mrkgoo]

Ctrl + scroll

I actually encountered a friend's co-worker last week that had the zoom in for days. She didn't know what caused it or would make it go away, so she just got used to it. Then she had the "oh god, that's so easy, I'm so dumb" moment when I zoomed it back to normal.

Hmm, interesting, thanks. I wonder how I changed it, as it's pretty finicky to change it TO option+command, even if you were trying.

I might leave it like that, as it makes more sense with all of the other zoom functions mapped to option+command (i.e., 8, -, =, and \).


That said, is it a setting in a plist somewhere, where I can look in my Time Machine to see what previous settings were and when I changed it?

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Apple wasn't kidding when they said that Snow Leopard wasn't a big update. All I notice are way faster shut down times, noticeably faster start up times, better expose, the grid view, Safari being passable with Gifs, and MAYBE a faster start up time for iPhoto. Everything else seems unchanged. I know Apple said this before the OS but...ugh, guess I had higher expectations than I should have.

It will be more beneficial when we get more software crafted around Snow Leopard.

 

[LCfiner]

there’s a reason it was 30 bucks, dude.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

there’s a reason it was 30 bucks, dude.

Actually $10

I guess I was expecting a little bit more despite Apple and everyone else saying differ, like the complete idiot I am.

I do know that all of the HUGE updates have been under the hood, but in terms of the user experience it seems to be like "Snow Leopard: The Director's Cut".

Still worth $30 and especially $10. And I do like the little tweaks Apple added like the Expose and Grid view.

 

[Ashhong]

has this happened to anyone? im just using my computer then suddenly a black screen comes over it and i cant use it anymore. i can expose and see everything fine but once my stuff goes back its black again. have to do a restart to get rid of it

 

[mrkgoo]

Hmm, interesting, thanks. I wonder how I changed it, as it's pretty finicky to change it TO option+command, even if you were trying.

I might leave it like that, as it makes more sense with all of the other zoom functions mapped to option+command (i.e., 8, -, =, and \).


That said, is it a setting in a plist somewhere, where I can look in my Time Machine to see what previous settings were and when I changed it?

Ok, I found it. It was com.apple.universalaccess.plist.

Inside that, closeViewScrollWheelModifiersInt is a certain value when the modifier is set to ctrl, and another modifier when set to cmd+option.

I then used Time Machine and searched my old versions of this plist until I found the exact date I changed it - it was this morning after 10:17 am, which I remember I was playing around with an iPhone Touchpad app - I couldn't see the screen very well from where I was so I was zooming in - but the behaviour was weird, so I was going into system preferences with the iPhone, so must've accidentally down it then.

This is why Time Machine is so awesome!

 

[Fuzyfrog]

has this happened to anyone? im just using my computer then suddenly a black screen comes over it and i cant use it anymore. i can expose and see everything fine but once my stuff goes back its black again. have to do a restart to get rid of it

Yup mines just done it 3 times today.

 

[Ashhong]

Yup mines just done it 3 times today.

were you doing anything in particular? it happened once while i was watching a full screen divx web player movie, so i thought that may have been it. i dont know what to blame...caffeine app? my broken insomniax?

woooooooo didnt know they released an update to InsomniaX

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/22211

wow a 500kb tgz archive spits out a 5mb app file. crazy

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Apple wasn't kidding when they said that Snow Leopard wasn't a big update. All I notice are way faster shut down times, noticeably faster start up times, better expose, the grid view, Safari being passable with Gifs, and MAYBE a faster start up time for iPhoto. Everything else seems unchanged. I know Apple said this before the OS but...ugh, guess I had higher expectations than I should have.

It will be more beneficial when we get more software crafted around Snow Leopard.

Eh. It'll be more worth it to me when many of the main apps start coming out with GCD, OpenCL and 64-bit support. Until then, for the most part, the update is underwhelming in a "The features are there!! WE PROMISE!" type of way.

 

[Juice]

has this happened to anyone? im just using my computer then suddenly a black screen comes over it and i cant use it anymore. i can expose and see everything fine but once my stuff goes back its black again. have to do a restart to get rid of it

Interesting. This happens whenever my mom hits "Edit" on a photo in iPhoto '08 while on Snow Leopard.

Glad to see it's not just me.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

so does this give any noticable improvements on a 2.8ghz dual core 2008 iMac? Don't really see any reason to upgrade at the moment.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

This is my dream.

dude, way to photoshop apple designers into shame. That is exactly how finder should work. Bravo.

 

[MrSeaneyC]

dude, way to photoshop apple designers into shame. That is exactly how finder should work. Bravo.

It's actually amazing how consistently Finder has been shit since forever. Surely they must have put fairly considerable resources into updating it for SL, so why the bloody hell couldn't they update all the niceties that people have been crying out for for years!

Finder is by far the very weakest point of OS X for me.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

It's actually amazing how consistently Finder has been shit since forever. Surely they must have put fairly considerable resources into updating it for SL, so why the bloody hell couldn't they update all the niceties that people have been crying out for for years!

Finder is by far the very weakest point of OS X for me.

Agreed completely. I would love to have the basic "Get Info" information on the bottom of the window bar like in Vista/Windows 7. So useful.

The worst part about Snow Leopard is that we have to wait another ~2 years for new, big user-end OS features, which would make it four years if you count from the launch of Leopard.

 

[Phobophile]

so does this give any noticable improvements on a 2.8ghz dual core 2008 iMac? Don't really see any reason to upgrade at the moment.

My late 2006 2.16 C2D iMac has noticeable differences. If the 64-bit processes don't attract you, I don't know what will.

 

[Tieno]

I have a feeling that VMware fusion runs better under Snow Leopard, that or the fan control is better. I've been using VMware a bit now to use Unetbootin in XP to experiment with USB Live Linux sticks and where it usually quickly set the fans above 2k rpm when I was using XP in Leopard, now it doesn't.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I just noticed something. When I zoom in with "Control" + "Trackpad" to move around the screen I just move the cursor to the edge of the screen to move. I remember in Leopard the screen moved whenever I moved my mouse so the mouse can stay at center all the time. I personally find Snow Leopard's way WAY better as I can now zoom in on videos while being able to hide the cursor so I can watch videos in full-screen (when it's not officially offered) without having a black arrow in the way.

 

[Phobophile]

I just noticed something. When I zoom in with "Control" + "Trackpad" to move around the screen I just move the cursor to the edge of the screen to move. I remember in Leopard the screen moved whenever I moved my mouse so the mouse can stay at center all the time. I personally find Snow Leopard's way WAY better as I can now zoom in on videos while being able to hide the cursor so I can watch videos in full-screen (when it's not officially offered) without having a black arrow in the way.

That and the screen doesn't move until you hit the sides of it. It was completely obnoxious having the entire zoomed portion move if you tapped the mouse. Now this zoom function is a bit more practical.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

That and the screen doesn't move until you hit the sides of it. It was completely obnoxious having the entire zoomed portion move if you tapped the mouse. Now this zoom function is a bit more practical.

Yeah that's what I was trying to say. Sorry if my wording was confusing. I think the more I use this the more little tweaks and adjustments I start to notice.

EDIT - I just noticed that The Finder has been tweaked as well (well outside of the 64-bitness) to have selecting and deleting multiple folders/files much more managable.

 

[Chittagong]

So I've been now on Snow Leopard for a few days and yes, it does make everything much snappier. Even my MacBook Air is usable and fast (although still requires CoolBook installation not to burn Kernel Task).

Other than the speed, there aren't really any features worth mentioning to me. A nicer button here and a better option there. Very much just a refinement like Apple said.

Makes me wonder that what will the OSX team do next, now that they've done a full rewrite and re-architecture of the OS. Will there be a major UI revolution? Is Snow Leopard the last "cat" OS X? I don't think there has been even rumours on what's next - but for sure hundreds of engineers are working on something.

 

[Tieno]

Only thing that seems to be a tad slower on Snow Leopard is spotlight. It's not as instant as in Leopard.

 

[SnakeXs]

but for sure hundreds of engineers are working on something.

10.6.1

But of course they are. What it'll be, who knows. Hopefully we get a peak of what's to come sooner rather than later, but I expect the first look to be at WWDC.

 

[Phobophile]

Only thing that seems to be a tad slower on Snow Leopard is spotlight. It's not as instant as in Leopard.

What? It's way faster for me than in 10.5. Now it's nearly instantaneous compared to the one second lag before.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Startup and I think it was iTunes actually seems a little bit slower... Shutdown though is almost instantaneous now.

 

[giga]

MultiClutch creator: "MultiClutch relies on InputManagers, so unfortunately there is no way to fix this short of a total rewrite of MultiClutch. I’m currently looking into how (and if) this might be possible, and I will update this blog with any progress I make."

 

[Sean]

The worst part about Snow Leopard is that we have to wait another ~2 years for new, big user-end OS features, which would make it four years if you count from the launch of Leopard.

Not necessarily: Puma, Jaguar, and Panther all had one year development cycles. I doubt they'll go back to doing yearly updates again but you never know.

 

[Burger]

Can anyone tell me why my EPS files are now opening in Preview when I double click them as opposed to opening in Illustrator like they used to ?

I right clicked on one and selected "Open with...", selected Illustrator, and ticked "Always use this Program..." but Finder doesn't care, and opens them in Preview, always.

While EPS rendering in 10.6 is much improved, I want it to work like it should...

 

[GodfatherX]

fuck it...i pulled the trigger

3 years ago I was an apple hater, hated their fans, hated the ipod (was a huge creative zen supporter), a windows mobile fan and hated damn near every aspect of them

This is definitely the most my wallet has hurt buying a computer in a long long time, but figured with the $230 rebate on the iPod, and the $100 rebate on the printer it was now or never

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

fuck it...i pulled the trigger

3 years ago I was an apple hater, hated their fans, hated the ipod (was a huge creative zen supporter), a windows mobile fan and hated damn near every aspect of them

This is definitely the most my wallet has hurt buying a computer in a long long time, but figured with the $230 rebate on the iPod, and the $100 rebate on the printer it was now or never

Guess it works on non touch ipods too?

 

[SnakeXs]

fuck it...i pulled the trigger

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/GodfatherX/macbookproorder.jpg

3 years ago I was an apple hater, hated their fans, hated the ipod (was a huge creative zen supporter), a windows mobile fan and hated damn near every aspect of them

This is definitely the most my wallet has hurt buying a computer in a long long time, but figured with the $230 rebate on the iPod, and the $100 rebate on the printer it was now or never

Congrats. Got any questions? How familiar with OS X are you and what made you bite the bullet?