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[Jasoco]

What advantages would the 64-bit kernal bring?

Nothing really. Except bragging rights when your entire OS is 64-bit. Which will be a while since a lot of apps are still 32-bit. And even some Apple stuff.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

What advantages would the 64-bit kernal bring?

To us plebes, nothing. It's just hyped up by people that don't know anything but have the Internet to shout about it anyway.

 

[Firestorm]

Are there any disadvantages? Like nothing working correctly in XP x64?

 

[Burger]

Nothing really. Except bragging rights when your entire OS is 64-bit. Which will be a while since a lot of apps are still 32-bit. And even some Apple stuff.

Wrong. Both 64 and 32 bit kernels can launch either 64 or 32 bit applications and processes. That is a non issue.

Kernel extensions (sort of like drivers in Windows) are NOT interoperable between architectures. You must have 64 bit kexts with a 64 bit kernel etc..

What advantages would the 64-bit kernal bring?

Almost zero. It may be the default in 10.7, but not for now (and I wouldn't sweat about it).

 

[Jasoco]

Wrong. Both 64 and 32 bit kernels can launch either 64 or 32 bit applications and processes. That is a non issue.

Kernel extensions (sort of like drivers in Windows) are NOT interoperable between architectures. You must have 64 bit kexts with a 64 bit kernel etc..

I didn't say anything about that. I said bragging rights about having a lot of "Intel (64 bit)"'s in your Activity Monitor.

 

[Chris R]

Any clue if Xcode includes OpenCL APIs/ect in SL?

 

[Phobophile]

More RAM will outweigh any slight speed advantages of running in dual channel or RAM latency or anything else.

Yay, 5 pages later, my question gets answered.

 

[Particle Physicist]

In terminal type:

ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi

Seriously though. You don't need to be booting into a 64 bit kernel to enjoy the benefits of Snow Leopard.

woot! i have a 64bit efi.

i dont really care about the kernal.. its more about openCL

 

[Burger]

I didn't say anything about that. I said bragging rights about having a lot of "Intel (64 bit)"'s in your Activity Monitor.

Sorry, I thought you were trying to say something else.

 

[panda21]

Any clue if Xcode includes OpenCL APIs/ect in SL?

theres a framework, and header files, i couldnt find any documentation on it though.

i'm pretty excited because the other implementations suck at the moment, hoping this will kick nvidia to release a new version instead of trying to peddle cuda.

 

[NekoFever]

Why do you need OpenCL or hardware video acceleration ? (or a 64-bit EFI for that matter?)

Well this one can chug when playing HD video with a few other bits in the background.

I don't need the other stuff, you're right, but it would be nice to have it when applications that support it arrive. I quite often do video encoding and that's something that would really benefit if one of my apps of choice added support.

Plus I've had this one for nearly three years, which is a spectacularly long time for me to have any computer. I'm getting antsy and looking for excuses to upgrade :lol

In other news, I just got a Growl notification from Delivery Status as I was typing this that my Snow Leopard is prepared for shipment

 

[Slurpy]

As an aside from my scrollbar bitching...

I just noticed that I have a 'Welcome to Leopard' PDF in my user guides folder. I'm running 10a432, widely believed to be the GM and what will be released on Friday. Does this hint or confirm that this may NOT be the retail version? I cant imagine them leaving that file there without an update, would be incredibly sloppy.

 

[Chris R]

theres a framework, and header files, i couldnt find any documentation on it though.

i'm pretty excited because the other implementations suck at the moment, hoping this will kick nvidia to release a new version instead of trying to peddle cuda.

Framework and headers are there so I'm hoping it will be easy to get code going rather quickly. Good to hear.

 

[celebi23]

Well this one can chug when playing HD video with a few other bits in the background.

I don't need the other stuff, you're right, but it would be nice to have it when applications that support it arrive. I quite often do video encoding and that's something that would really benefit if one of my apps of choice added support.

Plus I've had this one for nearly three years, which is a spectacularly long time for me to have any computer. I'm getting antsy and looking for excuses to upgrade :lol

In other news, I just got a Growl notification from Delivery Status as I was typing this that my Snow Leopard is prepared for shipment

Nice. Might install that app now. Easier than reloading Firefox. Most Apple sites (ADC, Apple Online Store, Apple Support Site) give me this bizzare error in Safari 4 >_<

Bad Request

Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.
Size of a request header field exceeds server limit.

Cookie: ac_survey=1; asbid=sFJKAYX9XAFXPXF29; (and then some long ass error code. too long to post :lol )

Apache/1.3.33 Server at acweb-nwk-20.apple.com Port 11080

Really fucking hope this problem is fixed in Snow Leopard >_<

Semi-edit: Fuck. Just tried Delivery Status & I'm getting this error

I inputed all required information correctly

 

[NekoFever]

Try the beta of version 5.

These are my settings for the Apple delivery and it works fine:

 

[infiniteloop]

As an aside from my scrollbar bitching...

I just noticed that I have a 'Welcome to Leopard' PDF in my user guides folder. I'm running 10a432, widely believed to be the GM and what will be released on Friday. Does this hint or confirm that this may NOT be the retail version? I cant imagine them leaving that file there without an update, would be incredibly sloppy.

10a436 is the GM supposedly.

EDIT: MacRumors says it is 432.

 

[LCfiner]

10a436 is the GM supposedly.

EDIT: MacRumors says it is 432.

yup, 10A432.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/25/os-x-snow-leopard-retail-disc-contains-build-10a432/

 

[celebi23]

Try the beta of version 5.

These are my settings for the Apple delivery and it works fine:

Thank you but, I'm getting the same error again.

Checked the Console app (In the Applications/Utilities folder) and saw this message over & over whenever I tried to connect to Apple via this widget

8/25/09 10:10:14 PM com.apple.launchd[336] (com.flyingmac.farfinder[1503]) Exited with exit code: 1
8/25/09 10:10:14 PM com.apple.launchd[336] (com.flyingmac.farfinder) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds
8/25/09 10:10:14 PM com.apple.launchd[336] (com.flyingmac.farfinder) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds
8/25/09 10:10:24 PM com.apple.launchd[336] (com.flyingmac.farfinder[1504]) posix_spawnp("/Library/Application Support/FarFinder/FarFinder.app/Contents/MacOS/FarFinder", ...): No such file or directory

>_<

Oh & WTF at 10A432 being the GM?? >_< I just hope 10.6.1 is finished soon. I may just wait to install until then

 

[RevenantKioku]

No, fuck off. I'm passionate about this. And I won't stop until I hear a plausible explanation.

I'm still trying to figure out what you're complaining about. I look over at my scroll bar and see a gem like bar and two little arrows at the bottom. Am I missing something? What is there even to complain about?

 

[Hitokage]

To us plebes, nothing. It's just hyped up by people that don't know anything but have the Internet to shout about it anyway.

What about >4gb memory?

 

[SnakeXs]

I'm still trying to figure out what you're complaining about. I look over at my scroll bar and see a gem like bar and two little arrows at the bottom. Am I missing something? What is there even to complain about?

Compare that, which is a relic of the Aqua theme and something almost entirely gone, to iTunes' scroll bars.

 

[Cornballer]

Is anyone else having trouble getting the store link to qualify your computer? It recognizes my computer as purchased after 6/8/09, but when I go to check out it tells me that I don't have anything in my shopping cart. Not sure what the deal is.

 

[FleckSplat]

They really need to do an iPhone style orientation video for this.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Is anyone else having trouble getting the store link to qualify your computer? It recognizes my computer as purchased after 6/8/09, but when I go to check out it tells me that I don't have anything in my shopping cart. Not sure what the deal is.

yeah. same deal here. not sure what is going on. and the macbook i am trying to get this for was purchased in july.

:/

 

[SnakeXs]

They really need to do an iPhone style orientation video for this.

They do. I think.

 

[Saerk]

Oh thank god, built in Exchange support. We can get this deployed to our MAC users so they can stop complaining about theirs MACs limited Exchange support.

 

[StrikerObi]

Oh thank god, built in Exchange support. We can get this deployed to our MAC users so they can stop complaining about theirs MACs limited Exchange support.

It's kind of boring but built in Exchange support is going to be awesome. I'll finally have all of my work data in sync between my PC at work, my iPhone, and my Mac at home. No more logging into the shitty ass Exchange webmail client anymore! Instead I'll get to use the slightly less shitty Mail.app!

Exchange calendar syncing through iCal is where it's at though. Word.

Also I do find it kind of humorous that OS X will support Exchange out of the box while Windows users need to buy Office to get real Exchange support via Outlook.

 

[Slurpy]

yup, 10A432.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/25/os-x-snow-leopard-retail-disc-contains-build-10a432/

Then why the hell does my 10A432 have a 'welcome to leopard' user manual with absolutely no reference to snow leopard or any of its features? Has Apple become that sloppy?

 

[overthehill99]

Guys I need some help. I'm really bad with computers, but I also want to get this when Friday rolls around. I have some questions.

Here's my iMac's specs.

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac8,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: IM81.00C1.B00

There are no requirements to upgrade to Snow Leopard like there is from XP to Vista, right?

Also is it worth for me to upgrade my RAM on this current machine? Will it benefit me at all?

 

[Firestorm]

1GB? Yeah I'd go to 2 or even just 4GB at this point as long as it's DDR2 and not DDR.

 

[Phobophile]

Guys I need some help. I'm really bad with computers, but I also want to get this when Friday rolls around. I have some questions.

Here's my iMac's specs.

There are no requirements to upgrade to Snow Leopard like there is from XP to Vista, right?

Also is it worth for me to upgrade my RAM on this current machine? Will it benefit me at all?

Yeah 1 GB of RAM's pretty lousy on any modern machine.

 

[overthehill99]

1GB? Yeah I'd go to 2 or even just 4GB at this point as long as it's DDR2 and not DDR.

Do you recommend any brands? Should I get one 4GB stick, or two 2GB sticks, so on and so forth. Also is it hard to upgrade RAM on an iMac? I remember hearing all you do is unscrew the bottom and the slots are right there.

 

[criesofthepast]

Since you guys are taking about RAM. I recently upgraded from 2 to 4gb so if anyone wants my two 1gb sticks that are only 8 months old I'd sell them to you. Or any suggestions on what I should do with them? I doubt I could get much selling them anyways, right? Probably just keep them for a rainy day if needed.

 

[Firestorm]

Do you recommend any brands? Should I get one 4GB stick, or two 2GB sticks, so on and so forth. Also is it hard to upgrade RAM on an iMac? I remember hearing all you do is unscrew the bottom and the slots are right there.

2x2GB. I don't know about iMac but I know for the Macbook you need very specific screws.

Just get a good memory brand. Corsair, Crucial, OCZ, Patriot, Kingston should all be good I believe. PC2-5300 (667 Mhz) DIMM is what you're looking at if it's like a standard desktop.

Edit; Actually, I think it uses laptop RAM.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227251

 

[mrkgoo]

Since you guys are taking about RAM. I recently upgraded from 2 to 4gb so if anyone wants my two 1gb sticks that are only 8 months old I'd sell them to you. Or any suggestions on what I should do with them? I doubt I could get much selling them anyways, right? Probably just keep them for a rainy day if needed.

You can sometimes get a pretty good deal by marketing them as 'Genuine Apple parts'. Some people out there are never sure about compatibility, and by saying they were ripped from a stock Mac, some people will pay.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Do you recommend any brands? Should I get one 4GB stick, or two 2GB sticks, so on and so forth. Also is it hard to upgrade RAM on an iMac? I remember hearing all you do is unscrew the bottom and the slots are right there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231135

Boom.

 

[overthehill99]

Thanks a lot guys.

 

[Burger]

Well this one can chug when playing HD video with a few other bits in the background.

I don't need the other stuff, you're right, but it would be nice to have it when applications that support it arrive. I quite often do video encoding and that's something that would really benefit if one of my apps of choice added support.

Fair enough, video encoding is one of the things that benefits significantly from GPU acceleration. However I've only seen one consumer application for this, Badaboom on PC. It's speed is amazing on a good chip, but the quality of encoded video is shocking. Until somebody releases a proper GPU assisted H.264 encoder it remains just a nice idea.

 

[mattiewheels]

So my newish iMac was 64-bit all along, it just needed the right operating system?I don't have more than 2gb right now, but that should change soon to take advantage of SL.

 

[SnakeXs]

So my newish iMac was 64-bit all along, it just needed the right operating system?I don't have more than 2gb right now, but that should change soon to take advantage of SL.

I doubt your motherboard supports more than 4 anyways. And if you're running Leopard you're already capable of 64 bit. Quite a few apps have been 64 bit for a while now, Transmission's latest update just made it 64 bit...

 

[Mar]

I'm hoping Snow Leopard can fix the only thing I find annoying about my Air. Which is streaming any video content from the web will stutter and miss 2 seconds or so every 15 to 20 seconds. My frustration gets to the point sometimes where I just end up downloading the video and playing it, which has no stuttering problems at all.

 

[movie_club]

what does 64 bit mean

Spoiler

please dont laugh at me

 

[SnakeXs]

I'm hoping Snow Leopard can fix the only thing I find annoying about my Air. Which is streaming any video content from the web will stutter and miss 2 seconds or so every 15 to 20 seconds. My frustration gets to the point sometimes where I just end up downloading the video and playing it, which has no stuttering problems at all.

Just flash or Quicktime plugins, too?

 

[wi@tt]

Anyone else having trouble with the Apple store? Trying to get my 9.99 upgrade but it's running slow.

 

[Mar]

Just flash or Quicktime plugins, too?

All streaming video plug-ins. Playing off the hard drive is no problem (which is odd considering you buffer the streaming video to the hard drive right?). It's a known issue with Airs if you look around on the web. Not sure if Snow Leopard can do anything for it... But if it can speed various things up I'm hopeful it can do something with streaming video.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Gah... now that I've checked and found out that my older MacBook Pro is lacking the 64-bit EFI and doesn't support OpenCL or H.264 GPU acceleration I'm tempted to look into upgrading.

I told myself that I wouldn't do it until I could get a MBP with an internal BD drive, but I might seriously look at it whenever the next speed bump/refresh happens.

I personally would hold out as long as you can until USB 3.0, Core i7(etc.) architecture, and possibly blu-ray support is added. I couldn't imagine your Macbook Pro being terribly slow in speed.

 

[LCfiner]

Then why the hell does my 10A432 have a 'welcome to leopard' user manual with absolutely no reference to snow leopard or any of its features? Has Apple become that sloppy?

no one's perfect

 

[Phobophile]

I doubt your motherboard supports more than 4 anyways. And if you're running Leopard you're already capable of 64 bit. Quite a few apps have been 64 bit for a while now, Transmission's latest update just made it 64 bit...

Not true. My G4 PowerBook is running Leopard.

 

[Lord Error]

What do you mean scale windows from any size? You just just use the resizing arrows like windows...

Sorry - I mean to say "any side", like you can do in Windows.

 

[Fyodor Dostoevsky]

what does 64 bit mean

Spoiler

please dont laugh at me

macs are finally catching up to the nintendo 64.

Spoiler

I have no idea either

Exchange support for ical is great!!

I love upgrades and updates. is that sad? y/n