Official NFL Week 3 Thread: Where 1-1 feels like a Championship

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Artie said:
I don't hate Favre. I just think he's a big baby and has put the team up with unneeded bullshit the last few years. And I'm not even going to get into how he pretty much lost us most games of our playoff games...

Great player? Hell yeah; one of my favs. Greatest QB-ever? No. He's not even the best Packers QB.
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Now come on, just because he killed us in two games doesn't negate all the awesomeness up to that point.


AND YES RICE FUMBLED NO WHINING ABOUT OFFICIATING EVER. :D

PS: Regardless that silly game, you know what the 49ers record against the Packers is since 1990?
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AndersTheSwede said:
Has there ever been a quicker fall from MVP to bum*?

*a very, very rich bum.
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I called it that same year. It was the pro-bowl OLine and FB that should have got that MVP, not Shaun. The guy cant catch, is slow, and can't even break a tackle.
 
Spectral Glider said:
The league owes the Chargers a game. Bottom line, they got super screwed. The game announcers and millions of people around the country can view the replay, but the dopes inside the stadium can't. And nobody from the NFL higherups can rectify that? Insane.

As for Hochuli's blunder, two things can help. 1. Shove the whistle stuff when you can look at that replay and realize that only two people had a shot at that ball and that the whistle blow meant squat in that situation. It's not rocket science. 2. Stop trying to come up with every reason under the sun for saying that a QB didn't fumble or was throwing a pass.

And the one thing that bugs the heck out of me is this. They fall back on the rule and claim that because of the rule, their hands are tied. Well, during last year's Browns/Ravens game, the rules clearly stated that field goals were NOT reviewable. Yet, because they knew how bad they screwed up, they reviewed the Browns kick and gave it to them. Yet here, they say to the Chargers, "Sorry, because of the rules, you're screwed." It's that type of inconsistency that makes the league look even more retarded.
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I just think the "play dead by whistle" rule is ridiculous and makes no sense. Happened in the Colts/Chargers (first game) last season. Even though the Colts played like shit, there was a great play--I think Rivers heaved the ball toward the endzone, the receiver bobbled it, it fell to the ground but before it hit, it hit a Colts player on the leg, bounced up and another Colt got it, and ran back for 40 yards (give or take). However, because they thought it hit the ground, it was ruled dead at the 1 yard line.

It's just a stupid rule that doesn't make much sense.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
I just think the "play dead by whistle" rule is ridiculous and makes no sense. Happened in the Colts/Chargers (first game) last season. Even though the Colts played like shit, there was a great play--I think Rivers heaved the ball toward the endzone, the receiver bobbled it, it fell to the ground but before it hit, it hit a Colts player on the leg, bounced up and another Colt got it, and ran back for 40 yards (give or take). However, because they thought it hit the ground, it was ruled dead at the 1 yard line.

It's just a stupid rule that doesn't make much sense.
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I bolded the problem with your argument. For every incomplete pass do you expect the defenders to take it and run it back for a TD just in case the play can get overturned?

Heck just look at the Philly/Dallas game where Jackson dropped the ball before the endzone. Play was blown dead, but what do you do after that, no one went for the ball.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
I just think the "play dead by whistle" rule is ridiculous and makes no sense. Happened in the Colts/Chargers (first game) last season. Even though the Colts played like shit, there was a great play--I think Rivers heaved the ball toward the endzone, the receiver bobbled it, it fell to the ground but before it hit, it hit a Colts player on the leg, bounced up and another Colt got it, and ran back for 40 yards (give or take). However, because they thought it hit the ground, it was ruled dead at the 1 yard line.

It's just a stupid rule that doesn't make much sense.
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So you'd rather see guys playing through the whistle potentially severely injuring someone who STOPPED because they heard the whistle? That's not very safe practice. How could you ever call a late hit? You can't really do anything to the rule, other than ask the officials to blow less whistles on close plays.
 
Wellington said:
I bolded the problem with your argument. For every incomplete pass do you expect the defenders to take it and run it back for a TD just in case the play can get overturned?

Heck just look at the Philly/Dallas game where Jackson dropped the ball before the endzone. Play was blown dead, but what do you do after that, no one went for the ball.
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No, that wasn't necessarily my argument--the defense knew it wasn't incomplete, they saw it had never touched the ground.

I guess I should clarify--I don't like that "play dead by whistle" is the bottom line. There is little in the way of compensation or determining legitimate play by a team after it is incorrectly ruled "dead". I know the rule was/is in place to create "fairness", but in many situations one team really gets screwed over, while the other catches a lucky break.
 
Wellington said:
I called it that same year. It was the pro-bowl OLine and FB that should have got that MVP, not Shaun. The guy cant catch, is slow, and can't even break a tackle.
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Alexander's problem was that he had no heart until the ball got to the one yard line.

For such a big guy I was surprised how he seemed to shy away from contact.
 
bionic77 said:
Alexander's problem was that he had no heart until the ball got to the one yard line.

For such a big guy I was surprised how he seemed to shy away from contact.
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Both of these guys are frauds, but one deserved the MVP while the other actually got it.

Tiki
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  	 	Rushing  	                         Receiving  	                        Fumbles
G 	GS 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
 16 	16 	357 	1,860 	5.2 	95T 	9 	54 	530 	9.8 	48 	2 	1 	1
Shaun
Code: 
  	 	Rushing  	                         Receiving  	                        Fumbles
G 	GS 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
 16  	 16  	370  	1,880  	5.1  	88T  	27  	15  	78  	5.2  	9  	1  	5  	1
 
effzee said:
has clemons even played on the line yet? i only see him on special teams. why they rushed out to get him still baffles me. he had one good season, most likely a fluke season, and they signed him as if he is the answer to the pass rush problems.
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I don't know. I was reading up on him and it seems he's gotta a handful of snaps in each of the first two games. Supposedly he is being slowed by a calf injury. Either way, I wasn't in love with the signing at the time and so far nothing has changed my mind. We are going to have serious trouble stopping any teams with a decent QB since the only way we can get any kind of pressure is to blitz.
 
Wellington said:
Both of these guys are frauds, but one deserved the MVP while the other actually got it.

Tiki
Code: 
  	 	Rushing  	                         Receiving  	                        Fumbles
G 	GS 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
 16 	16 	357 	1,860 	5.2 	95T 	9 	54 	530 	9.8 	48 	2 	1 	1
Shaun
Code: 
  	 	Rushing  	                         Receiving  	                        Fumbles
G 	GS 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
 16  	 16  	370  	1,880  	5.1  	88T  	27  	15  	78  	5.2  	9  	1  	5  	1
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Wow. I'm sure team success factored in (bizarrely, since in the NFL a QB or RB's stats are only helped when his team is good), but I didn't realize how dominant Tiki was that year. I'm convinced, let's get a time machine and rig the voting for him.
 
28 total td's>11. If TIki had 18/19 total tds I'd listen to the argument but yeah fuck that noise, trying to justify his snobbing just because he has more total yards
 
Well yes, that was the voter's argument as well. But 2390 >> 1958.

The TD record was the reason Alexander won, certainly. It's just that in retrospect it seems pretty bizarre. The record was a product of his supporting cast (o-line), and he just wasn't/isn't that great of a player.

But I guess Rich Gannon won an MVP in much the same way, so there's really nothing new here.
 
If that whistle rule gets implemented it will ruin the game. The officials just need to relax with the whistle and if they even doubt for a nano second, then don't blow the whistle.
 
Quick fantasy question? Who to start?

DeAngelo Williams @ Minn or,
Joseph Addai Vs. Jags

Normally it would be a no brainer, but Addai has been slumping lately. Who do you guys think is the best option?
 
Doomsayer said:
Quick fantasy question? Who to start?

DeAngelo Williams @ Minn or,
Joseph Addai Vs. Jags

Normally it would be a no brainer, but Addai has been slumping lately. Who do you guys think is the best option?
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They're both pretty poor choices, but I'd go with Addai personally.
 
Forgot to make mah pix!

KC @ ATL - Had pick, but when in doubt, bet against Herm.
OAK @ BUF - No Fargas, McFadden not starting, JRuss is starting... :(
TB @ CHI - Grieseball's revenge!
CAR @ MIN - Hard to pick now that TJack is benched... It'll be close!
MIA @ NE - As a lifelong fan, I have to pick the Pats.
CIN @ NYG - CIN @ NYG
HOU @ TEN - Collins just wins games.
ARI @ WAS - flipped a coin. It's hard to pick against Dirt, but I need Cooley fantasy points!
DET @ SF - Martz/JTO revenge!
STL @ SEA - Even with the 6th string WR starting for SEA, I can't pick STL.
NO @ DEN - Marshall, Marshall, Marshall.
PITT @ PHI - McNabb gets injured in this game. Ends up with a subpar season.
JAC @ IND - Indy's on the rise, I tells ya! I've noticed a trend: picking Jacksonville is akin to failure.
CLE @ BAL - Tough pick. I'm betting more on Cleveland's incompetence rather than Baltimore's competence.
DAL @ GB - As a lifelong Cowboys fan, this pick was incredibly hard to make, but I had to do it. It will only make my boys stronger.
NYJ @ SD - Favre magic is being contained by Mangina.
 
The Raiders cut tight end John Madsen, a converted wide receiver who was in his third year with the Raiders, in order to bring aboard natural tight end Ben Troupe.
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:( Assholes cut a pretty good (and young) receiving TE to make room for a TE that was cut to make room for Jerramy fucking Stevens?
 
Rorschach said:
:( Assholes cut a pretty good (and young) receiving TE to make room for a TE that was cut to make room for Jerramy fucking Stevens?
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I thought it said John Madden for a second there. :lol
 
Lion Heart said:
If that whistle rule gets implemented it will ruin the game. The officials just need to relax with the whistle and if they even doubt for a nano second, then don't blow the whistle.
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They can relax the whistle some. But I just think they shouldn't be afraid to overturn a bad call when it's obvious that the whistle blow had no effect on the play. In the Philly game, no, they can't change that because Dallas players quit because of the whistle. But for San Diego, only two players had any realistic shot at recovering that ball and they both played it like no whistle had blown. In that instance, fix the wrong call. Like I said, they fixed the blown FG call for Cleveland last year, why not in this instance?
 
Trade question in my Fantasy League

I'm looking to get rid of Burress because I need a running back.

Scoring is 6pts for a touchdown. 1pt for every 10yrds receiving/running.

What do you think about:

I Trade Plaxico Burress for Dwayne Bowe & Matt Forte.

or

Plaxico Burress for Dwayne Bowe & Kevin Smith

or

Plaxico Burress for Santonio Holmes & Kevin Smith

Which is the best option?
 
NJ x Falkor said:
Trade question in my Fantasy League
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Hidden option 4, Matt Forte and Santonio Holmes, if the owner will actually put that through. Bowe is KC's go to guy, but his supporting cast will let him down. Chicago seems to love Forte, where as with Smith, they already brought in Rudi Johnson, and they had the evaluations with Alexander and Benson. That may be some kind of motivation tactic, or it may mean they aren't 100% confident in Smith. But if my option is unavailable, and you stressed the need for a RB, go for Forte.

Doomsayer said:
Quick fantasy question? Who to start?

DeAngelo Williams @ Minn or,
Joseph Addai Vs. Jags

Normally it would be a no brainer, but Addai has been slumping lately. Who do you guys think is the best option?
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DeAngelo is split time vs the best Run Defense in the League. The passing game looks like its re-establishing itself in Indy, and that can only bode well for Addai.
 
Milabrega said:
Hidden option 4, Matt Forte and Santonio Holmes, if the owner will actually put that through. Bowe is KC's go to guy, but his supporting cast will let him down. Chicago seems to love Forte, where as with Smith, they already brought in Rudi Johnson, and they had the evaluations with Alexander and Benson. That may be some kind of motivation tactic, or it may mean they aren't 100% confident in Smith. But if my option is unavailable, and you stressed the need for a RB, go for Forte.
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Okay, he countered with Burress for Santonio Holmes and Kevin Smith.

Thing is right now my running backs are Tomlinson and DeAngelo Williams, WRs are Buress, Fitzgerald, Isaac Bruce.

So is Kevin Smith gonna be that much more worth it than DeAngelo Williams?

But does that even matter because Santonio Holmes is waay better than Bruce.

Your thoughts....
 
Ok guys I need Fantasy help, I had Brady, he is gone but I also have Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers so I am doing good at QB, maybe too good cause I have no clue who to start. Last week it was GB vs Lions so I started Rodgers and he gave me 35 points, awesome, but Rivers gave 42 points on the bench. Rivers is the #1 QB in points right now.

So we got GB vs Dallas in a possible shootout sunday night or SD vs NYJ on monday night. Which QB do I start?
 
MiamiWesker said:
Ok guys I need Fantasy help, I had Brady, he is gone but I also have Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers so I am doing good at QB, maybe too good cause I have no clue who to start. Last week it was GB vs Lions so I started Rodgers and he gave me 35 points, awesome, but Rivers gave 42 points on the bench. Rivers is the #1 QB in points right now.

So we got GB vs Dallas in a possible shootout sunday night or SD vs NYJ on monday night. Which QB do I start?
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I'd say Rodgers, just because Dallas' secondary isn't that good, personally.
 
MiamiWesker said:
Ok guys I need Fantasy help, I had Brady, he is gone but I also have Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers so I am doing good at QB, maybe too good cause I have no clue who to start. Last week it was GB vs Lions so I started Rodgers and he gave me 35 points, awesome, but Rivers gave 42 points on the bench. Rivers is the #1 QB in points right now.

So we got GB vs Dallas in a possible shootout sunday night or SD vs NYJ on monday night. Which QB do I start?
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Play Rodgers. If its another shootoute, let Rogers get his points against Dallas like McNabb did.

I don't have too much faith in Rivers continuing to put up such strong numbers, especially if Tomlinson isn't 100% percent.
 
KC @ ATL
OAK @ BUF
TB @ CHI
CAR @ MIN
MIA @ NE
CIN @ NYG
HOU @ TEN
ARI @ WAS
DET @ SF
STL @ SEA
NO @ DEN
PITT @ PHI
JAC @ IND
CLE @ BAL
DAL @ GB
NYJ @ SD
 
NJ x Falkor said:
Okay, he countered with Burress for Santonio Holmes and Kevin Smith.

Thing is right now my running backs are Tomlinson and DeAngelo Williams, WRs are Buress, Fitzgerald, Isaac Bruce.

So is Kevin Smith gonna be that much more worth it than DeAngelo Williams?

But does that even matter because Santonio Holmes is waay better than Bruce.

Your thoughts....
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Well, there are two things to consider:

1. You are giving up the best player in this deal, period. Plax is right now about 14pts/week. Your gamble is that Holmes and Smith can outperform Plax and Williams on a weekly basis. That is actually somewhat reasonable; Holmes can be a 10-15 point guy at times, and Smith right now is basically a 7-14 point guy with a starting spot (as opposed to Williams, who has to overperform to hit 10.) But your gamble is that both guys turn it on just to match Plax.

2. Yeah, Kevin Smith plays for the Lions, which is always going to be run-second unless they get a good defense. Yeah, they have Rudi as a backup (although every time they shout he can chip in, he gets like 3 carries.) But there is something to like. The guy catches passes. The Lions have seen no reason not to say he's the #1 guy, and he gets worked like one. No timeshare. The Lions typically get blown out, so the run suffers, but as a whole, not as in a way that jeopardizes Smith's job.

(Sure, they talked to Benson and Alexander, but they kind of had to. Rudi could get injured just by walking to Starbucks.)

Bottom line, I think you could make that trade. Kinda risky but you don't sacrifice too much. The only other way to go is start picking your waiver wire for dregs and hope for the best.
 
Wellington said:
I called it that same year. It was the pro-bowl OLine and FB that should have got that MVP, not Shaun. The guy cant catch, is slow, and can't even break a tackle.
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I agree that the O-line and Strong were a big part of his success, but when is an oline not part of a HB's success?

When healthy Alexander had crazy cutback skills, and down field was just one shifty son of a bitch. I still think he deserved the MVP as he set the rushing TD record and was a huge part of the 05 Seahawks (but he's the only Seahawk to get it so what else would I say?).

It seemed that things just went bad all at once. Hutch feeling slighted by the front office and poison pilling his contract, fractures in Alexanders foot and hand, and the loss of down field blockers like Jurevicius.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
what happened to shaun is simple: madden. you can't escape the curse, no matter how hard you might try.
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We still made it to the playoffs in spite of all that, including the Superbowl Loser curse, and managed to do decently against Chicago in the second round. So yeah, we tried pretty damn hard.

However, how is Favre going to be hit by this supposed curse? He's already the Saving Roll QB, and family members dying only seems to help him succeed.
 
Rorschach said:
From 3 wide formation, without a fullback and against 8 in the box. >:|
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Haha, it evened out though. Those jerks on the right side ALWAYS fucked up, even with a tight end and fullback. >:(
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
what happened to shaun is simple: madden. you can't escape the curse, no matter how hard you might try.
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