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Official: PSP December 12, 19800 yen
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Whoops, I missed your post. So ports and RTS.. I can see how rts would work nice with the stylus.. but I guess thats not the kind of interaction I'm after. I see some neat functionality in tech demos and upcoming games. Like you pointed out, the baby mario game. The sonic tech demo was interesting (needed dpad steering imo), the doctor game, or that interesting touch game by sega. The wasd type control in hunters.. is there an fps on a pda with a similar control scheme? Made in Wario, ect. This is the kind of interaction that is supposedly available already.. I'm just trying to figure out where and names of titles.
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
wow.
sony's insane.
combined with the poor nintendo ds launch line up, personal excitement for psp is building.
sony's insane.
combined with the poor nintendo ds launch line up, personal excitement for psp is building.
Robert-GCA
Member
Drinky Crow said:
I played the DS at E3 many times. I haven't felt the same youthful joy or giddyness in a long time. I have been playing games on my Palm Pilot for years as well. There is a different feeling with the DS than PDA's. If you haven't gotten the chance to use the DS yet, I hope you reserve more opinions on its touchscreen and your interaction with the games till you do.
Brofist
Member
I can see a few games that will compliment the DS capabilities nicely that haven't been done before, even in other iterations of touch screen gaming. If I compare my interest in the DS from a couple months ago until now, it's gone up I'd say. But I will buy the PSP first, and take a more wait and see stance with the DS. If the DS were to drop to 10,000 yen..well it would be a no-brainer purchase.
lachesis
Member
Marconelly said:
I don't mean to downgrade PSP in anyway, but what I'm saying is PSP launch is in the same vein with PS2. PS2, at that time as you'd already know, was a expensive machine (especially cpu chipset being so expensive to manufature) and some said it can't be done. I was one of those who thought, that they won't be able make it under 500 dollars. Compare to that price point, original 299(wasn't it?), was more or less a shock, and I was convinced with price with no second thoughts. That, my friend, is what I'm implying and I already see many posts indicating "for that price point, I'm sold!" posts as far as I can see...
lachesis
Nintendo sounds like Sega circa 1994-1995. Poorly thought-out stopgap solutions undermined them completely. Of course, I guess there are some faithful that actually believe DS is a third pillar (har)....it will be interesting to see if Nintendo can continue to push a new handheld on customers every 2-3 years.drohne said:
The "Gamers don't really care about music and movies!" line is also humorously similar to the pre-PS2 spin that Dreamcast zealots tried to lay down, as was the "It'll cost $400!" line (which was just demolished today).
seismologist
Banned
From all hands on reports the DS touch screen is apparently MUCH more sensitive than your average PDA.
As for the PSP, I just hope the discs dont start skipping a year later like on my Sony Minidisc
I can already see people with launch PSPs complaining about DDE errors by this time next year.
As for the PSP, I just hope the discs dont start skipping a year later like on my Sony Minidisc
I can already see people with launch PSPs complaining about DDE errors by this time next year.
Brofist
Member
akascream said:
I don't think he's trying to dodge you, there are literally a ton of games out there for Pocket PC that implement touch screen input. If you're looking for a direct comparison to certain DS games..well you might be hard pressed. It's obvious Nintendo is putting a little more care into the uses of the touch screen.
No they don't.....they save themselves from anihilation by declaring a truce with the unrelenting and dominating machines. Which in the context of this metaphor could be likened to the day when Nintendo goes 3rd party and begins making games for Sony's platformslockii said:
EDIT: damn, looks as though we were thinking the same wya...
Shogmaster
Member
drohne said:
seismologist said:From all hands on reports the DS touch screen is apparently MUCH more sensitive than your average PDA.
As for the PSP, I just hope the discs dont start skipping a year later like on my Sony Minidisc
Serious, what are you guys doing with your MD-units? Bad battery life and skipping discs? I've never had ANY problems with skipping discs in a md unit and I've owned three different ones.
lachesis
Member
border said:
For once, I agree with border. It is indeed quite similar from DC/PS2 launch in many aespect and very dejavu-ish... and that's why I fear for Nintendo DS's demise. (because, I am actually excited regarding touchscreen/stylus possibilities on handheld game machine.)
lachesis
Die Squirrel Die
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drohne said:
Okay that it's. I petition that Gahigiddy's tag be changed to 'Nintendo's Kung-Fu Jesus'.
Nintendo can only control their own machinations, not the market itself. The "3rd Pillar" line is ultimately undermined by the fact that the 3rd Pillar directly competes with and plays the games of the 2nd Pillar. Developers and gamers are ultimately forced to choose between the two -- and that includes Nintendo studios. Resources and marketshare are split. "Independent" is a ludicrous misnomer.xsarien said:
DS is pretty clearly a stopgap, IMO.....a GBA2 prototype that got rushed to market in response to a competitor's challenge. Do you really think that they have any plans to continue releasing two handheld platforms in tandem for the rest of their corporate life (when they so clearly eat away at the same market)? Fuck no! If the DS is successful then the next Gameboy will have two screens and all the cool whizbang stuff that the DS did, because those features will have become the de facto standard. DS line will be abandoned, aside from the backwards compatibility aspect.
TekunoRobby
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Not by a long shot ElyrionX, this is their first entry into a marketplace which has a near total dominance by a single company. I'd say wait a few months after launch and start analyzing the sell through rate on the PSP (along with games) and then start analyzing the GBA sales and see how much they've dwindled if at all. Things have just started to get very interesting and at the same time the complexity of the handheld market has skyrocketed. I'm not trying to dwindle your excitement (which is a good thing) but it's essential to keep a level head about the situation since it's a MAJOR impact for the handheld scene and things are in a big question mark right now. If the PSP is blockbuster success and remains the same for a few months then break out the Sony fanboy champaign bottles and drink up my friend.
Uggh the less Matrix comparisons the better.
Uggh the less Matrix comparisons the better.
border said:
And the first pillar (so to speak) plays the second pillar's games, and God knows through the shrieking around here that it's cheap enough to be de facto competition (when you consider the segments of the population that are just looking for a game machine, portable or standalone.)
And yeah, you know what? If Nintendo thinks that they can afford, in both money and man power, to develop for three systems, two of which are portable, then the more power to them. The GBA2 will most likely remain a strict, "standard" gaming device, with all the whiz-bang, golly-gee wireless features of the DS, and the DS platform may take off to uncharted areas. Maybe, one day, it'll be a bonafide PDA.
But I don't know for certain, and neither do you.
OmniGamer said:
Gotta save that battery juice somehow.
seismologist
Banned
OmniGamer said:
I read some TGS reports that confirmed that the screen didn't seem as bright as it was in the past. That's probably what you get when it's running off a battery pack.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I wasn't trying to dodge your question, it's just that I like how some of those ports (like Marble Madness) work and play them more than some original games, but that doesn't mean that there are no original games that use stylus in a good way. One thing I can vouch for, though, is that stylys does not work for me at least, in 3D games, like FPS games. There's a very good quake port for example, that uses the stylus in much the same way as MP:H, and I didn't really like it. It's not precise enough somehow, and I think it could be even worse with DS, where you have to hold it with one hand, when device was constructed more to be held with two hands. I'm saying that as the stylys control in FPS game requires as little shaking as possible, if you want to have any kind of precision - and your left hand will shake a bit even when you just start sliding the stylus over the screen a bit more furiously.
At the end of the day, I think I'll buy a PSTwo and play the games on my TV. This price announcement for PSP is huge, but I'm still not excited yet as I haven't seen games I'M interested in. But I'm definately interested in Warioware DS, Balloon Trip, Advance Wars DS, and Animal Crossing DS.
Balls in Nintendo's court now, what will be they're response. I'm not sure a price drop to $99 will be the right thing to do because it will be GC vs PS2 all over again. People would see the price and assume the DS is a cheap toy. I think Nintendo needs a 60 fps port of Goldeneye, and a new Pokemon stat. Then let word of mouth (with the fun 16 people wireless matches, and the drop of the hat pokebattles) take care of the rest.
Not saying I won't buy a PSP in the future, just waiting for Sony to SHOW ME THE GAMES!
Balls in Nintendo's court now, what will be they're response. I'm not sure a price drop to $99 will be the right thing to do because it will be GC vs PS2 all over again. People would see the price and assume the DS is a cheap toy. I think Nintendo needs a 60 fps port of Goldeneye, and a new Pokemon stat. Then let word of mouth (with the fun 16 people wireless matches, and the drop of the hat pokebattles) take care of the rest.
Not saying I won't buy a PSP in the future, just waiting for Sony to SHOW ME THE GAMES!
Funny how after the price announcement, people have immediately reverted to seeing it as a PSP vs. GBA battle, rather than a PSP vs DS battle.
Calling it a rushed and poorly-conceived stopgap is taking it seriously? I'm not calling it "the next Gameboy" (more likely the new 32X), just pointing out that the two product lines cannot exist independently. When Nintendo crowns a true "next" Gameboy, DS goes away and its features are integrated into the new system. The 3rd Pillar nonsense is just worthless lip service to make consumers and investors feel more comfortable with the product.
Sony kind of fucked this one up. With their prices (NDS and PSP) relatively close (around $80 with all necessities), this was their chance to get a lead on the DS, but instead they're only launching in one region with only half of the DS's shipment in that region (1 million vs. 500,000 by the end of 2004 in Japan).
TekunoRobby
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The PSP is $200 and the PS2 is $150? OMG Sony is ripping us off on the PS2! I GUARANTEE that's going to be on the minds of a few people, heh heh.
And that leads to a question, how long before we see Sony drop the price of the PS2, if at all. They don't need to drop the price since they're comfortably selling a lot and making a decent profit to boot. Then again the prices of the two systems are pretty close. Would it really matter if the prices remain that close?
And that leads to a question, how long before we see Sony drop the price of the PS2, if at all. They don't need to drop the price since they're comfortably selling a lot and making a decent profit to boot. Then again the prices of the two systems are pretty close. Would it really matter if the prices remain that close?
I suppose that the responses contained here are about par for the course. Sigh.
I guess I don't get the whole waving the flag of a console company who doesn't really give a fuck about you except how and when they can get more money out of you. Nor do I get the idea that gaming would be better off without Nintendo or Sony. A monopoly is not what we want. Even now, where Sony just has a large percentage of the console market, things seem to be trending away from my points of interest. Sure, I'll buy GTA, and sure, we occasionally get something like Katamari Damacy thrown our way, but for the most part, the business focuses on Joe Gamer. Hey, it's a smart business decision, but I don't particularly like it.
The GBA has a virtual monopoly on the handheld market, and while I own a GBA and a large number of games, almost all of them I own are Nintendo's first-party offerings. A good chunk of the third party stuff thrown out there is licensed shovel-ware, quick-buck type games. There's obviously gems in there (Harvest Moon: FoMT, et. al.), but for the most part, it's drek. I mean, there's no point in optomizing it, or whatever, there's really no competition in the market. If someone wants a handheld version of NASCAR or whatever, they've pretty much got that one choice. That being said, I own two GBAs and love them to death.
Say what you will about the DS or the PSP. Or the GBA for all I care. Competition is good for this business. Very good. I'll buy a PSP & a DS, because I'm sure both will offer games that I want to play, which is far more important than hardware specs, perecentage of kiddiness, or sales charts. But I mean, without that, how would GAF exist?
Whatever, I said my piece. Queue 17 more pages of mindless bickering between system fanboys.
I guess I don't get the whole waving the flag of a console company who doesn't really give a fuck about you except how and when they can get more money out of you. Nor do I get the idea that gaming would be better off without Nintendo or Sony. A monopoly is not what we want. Even now, where Sony just has a large percentage of the console market, things seem to be trending away from my points of interest. Sure, I'll buy GTA, and sure, we occasionally get something like Katamari Damacy thrown our way, but for the most part, the business focuses on Joe Gamer. Hey, it's a smart business decision, but I don't particularly like it.
The GBA has a virtual monopoly on the handheld market, and while I own a GBA and a large number of games, almost all of them I own are Nintendo's first-party offerings. A good chunk of the third party stuff thrown out there is licensed shovel-ware, quick-buck type games. There's obviously gems in there (Harvest Moon: FoMT, et. al.), but for the most part, it's drek. I mean, there's no point in optomizing it, or whatever, there's really no competition in the market. If someone wants a handheld version of NASCAR or whatever, they've pretty much got that one choice. That being said, I own two GBAs and love them to death.
Say what you will about the DS or the PSP. Or the GBA for all I care. Competition is good for this business. Very good. I'll buy a PSP & a DS, because I'm sure both will offer games that I want to play, which is far more important than hardware specs, perecentage of kiddiness, or sales charts. But I mean, without that, how would GAF exist?
Whatever, I said my piece. Queue 17 more pages of mindless bickering between system fanboys.
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
Hey stop trying to make sense; you need a permit for that kind of debauchery around these parts.Lambtron said:
And in all of my infinite wisdom I completely skipped over that. Well I can use the scapegoat that this is a Sony thread and therefore I ignored that on purpose. Yeah works perfect, hah!Miburou said:
The Dreamcast also had "INNOVATIVE FEETURES!1" like dual screens (tv+vmu) and the promise of online play.....both of which were ultimately ignored when mainstreamers heard about the "mind-blowing" graphics of the PS2, and were drawn in by Sony's marketing. DC got slaughtered despite being $150 cheaper and launching over a year earlier.lachesis said:
The DS is maybe $50 cheaper and launching maybe 6 months earlier. Given what has happened in the past (with both Dreamcast and GameCube), that price/time advantage can be neutralized very quickly. If Sony starts the US-based hype rolling ASAP, then look out...
border said:
Wishful thinking. Its still a DS Vs PSP battle. GBA is out of the question. Its outselling the other systems combined. DS simply cannnot achieve those types of sales. It was never 'designed' or prepared to be a GB.
Anyway i'll let you harp on about the same thing a million times which is clearly just a thinly disguised fanboy troll.
KilledByBill
Member
So which is it around here? In the latest NPD thread a huge argument breaks out over whether the comparison of GBA sales to PS2/Xbox sales is legitimate (GBA is a seperate market vs GBA is in direct competition with the "Home" consoles). But at the same time people are implying that Sony's handheld is "boldly going where Sony has never gone before," while Sony themselves are pushing PSP as simply the mobile extension of their PlayStation(tm) brand.
I'm not singling any one person out, it just seems like the hypocracy on this issue is spinning out of control.
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