LaserBuddha
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Real talk, Al-Qaeda has the dankest green though.
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Oh God, my school is drug testing
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Yes, I would. As I said earlier, I'm not against people smoking pot or whatever drug you want. But I'm against financing those shit criminals.
Apparently some approve.
I think having close people being killed because of it, is as far as I need to know. I was just comparing how you guys would feel if you were financing terrorist like Al-Qaeda. Because the 11 sept is the closest thing I can find to how the carteles are fucking our countries.
Most likely you're buying from them. Don't expect some mexican or colombian dude to be the dealer, they use "normal" local people. You think they just let some random guys take their market? Canada, USA and Europe are their biggest markets.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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This thread is ridiculous. Couldn't someone just have posted links to those body cleansing products designed specifically for this such occasion?
Instead of idiot members of AntiDrug-Gaf and Stoner-Gaf talking out of their buttholes?
Marijuana isnt as detrimental to health as tobacco or alcohol.
The whole cartel thing is being exaggerated.
Weed is not addictive.
OP stop smoking from now till the test, drink lots of water and exercise all you can. Once the test is done pack a bowl and go home happy.
Done.
Instead of idiot members of AntiDrug-Gaf and Stoner-Gaf talking out of their buttholes?
Marijuana isnt as detrimental to health as tobacco or alcohol.
The whole cartel thing is being exaggerated.
Weed is not addictive.
OP stop smoking from now till the test, drink lots of water and exercise all you can. Once the test is done pack a bowl and go home happy.
Done.
yeah, because you surely know more than me about the topic. Just because you buy from a local guy. What do you think, they are going to tell you "hey those guys from mexico sent us this shit"? Even if it's grown locally how you know they aren't related to the carteles?
Go investigate a little bit about the topic. You'll be surprised.
highrider
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* head explodes *
The Jason
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And yet the only reason why they are supporting them is because it is illegal, just as the only reason alcohol drinkers are not is because it is legal...
All it takes is misinformation and willpower to derail an entire thread! We should make a PSA out of this.
Holy. Shit.
Holy. Shit.
So? You don't have a mind or self-control to stop financing those kind of criminals?
The next time something like 11 sept happens in USA, don't go thinking "wow, those bastards deserve to die" because you aren't better than them. How many people died in 11 sept thing? like 3,000? Surely that's less than how many people die in Latin America thanks to people financing carteles via buying drugs.
Actually you should back your claims. How do you know they aren't connected to carteles?
Enter The 36 Chambers
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What you smoking bruh??? This is the place to discuss it.
LaserBuddha
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Oh boy, this is some conspiracy theorist-level reasoning.
"It's true because you can't prove it isn't!"
Not a tall order.
Yeah, tell me how different is from directly killing someone to financing the people that do it...
Read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/m...billions.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www
I'm sure you can find plenty of info in Internet. Theorist level? I live this reality every day, go to south america and then come and say I'm talking shit here.
Carteles are richer than México, Argentina, and most Latin American countries. You think they got that rich without being the "top sellers" in USA, Canada and Europe? Haha.
Hale-XF11
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We will have to agree to disagree then. I am of the mindset that we need smaller government in the case of the privacy of one's own body.
I understand your point, I think we were just going off on a tangent. But yeah, private institutions are a whole other deal.
In regards to having a cheap and effective test, it sounds like someone over in Washington might already have it worked out. We'll see. They claim to have a fair method of testing for someone who is currently stoned as opposed to just having it in their system.
Link: http://www.newapproachwa.org/content/about-initiative
Yeah, tell me how different is from directly killing someone to financing the people that do it...
Read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/m...billions.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www
I'm sure you can find plenty of info in Internet. Theorist level? I live this reality every day, go to south america and then come and say I'm talking shit here.
Carteles are richer than México, Argentina, and most Latin American countries. You think they got that rich without being the "top sellers" in USA, Canada and Europe? Haha.
You do realize that entire picture is talking about cocaine/opiates? We are talking about marijuana.
It's fine to not like pot. But the moral arguments fall on deaf ears when you're on a board dedicated to this hobby. The precious metals that allow you to shoot fake aliens in video games are mined by children in the third world. Your smartphone? That too. Your computer? Probably. So, why do you hate children?
Wow. I'm starting to think you're either a troll, or just so poorly knowledgable about this that there is no point in discussing.
Yeah, tell me how different is from directly killing someone to financing the people that do it...
Read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/m...billions.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www
I'm sure you can find plenty of info in Internet. Theorist level? I live this reality every day, go to south america and then come and say I'm talking shit here.
Carteles are richer than México, Argentina, and most Latin American countries. You think they got that rich without being the "top sellers" in USA, Canada and Europe? Haha.
Opiates and cocaine != marijuana btw. You know, if you like facts.
FleckSplat
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But his body isn't ready...
LaserBuddha
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You are trying to dismiss any evidence to the contrary as just a coverup for what you say is really going on, when what you're proposing couldn't be universal in any reality to begin with. That's why your shitty, shitty argument is being compared to that of a conspiracy theorist.
I've yet to see evidence of how this so-called reality you're living in gives you such insight into what's going on everywhere.
Yeah, tell me how different is from directly killing someone to financing the people that do it...
Read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/m...billions.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www
I'm sure you can find plenty of info in Internet. Theorist level? I live this reality every day, go to south america and then come and say I'm talking shit here.
Carteles are richer than México, Argentina, and most Latin American countries. You think they got that rich without being the "top sellers" in USA, Canada and Europe? Haha.
Is the answer
A.) Decriminalize Drugs
B.) Continue the Failed Drug War which has institutionalized this type of violence
C.) Comedy Option: Let's return to Prohibition, that worked out great last time!
Nothing wrong with smoking, just be aware that some places of employment might have policies that don't allow that. In that case, it is better to seek employment with places more in line with your beliefs.
Heh, ok.
The daily tragedies all around the region show the death and suffering caused by the demand for drugs. Before your next hit, know that innocents died for it.
The next time some 'terrorists' from arabian countries kill american people, don't fool yourself thinking you're any better than them.
Decriminalize Drugs is surely an interesting option. But it would need to be a global decision, and USA is the principal consumer and the country #1 against legalization. Central American countries had a project of legalization earlier this year and USA said they would cut any help to those countries if they legalize marihuana.
D.) Don't buy illegal drugs.
Wish I could find a job that didn't care if I smoked. That paid above like $12/hr. Shit is hard man. I don't smoke anymore mainly because of jobs requiring piss tests, and as I am unemployed I really need to be careful.
Personally at this point in my life I just get paranoid as fuck when I smoke, not worth it anymore. Wish I could on the rare occasion though.
psst, drugs are legal in some countries; GAF is a global community
The Jason
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I already explained why a drop in demand only results in a lower market price, and in turn encourages more demand (because its cheaper). Its impossible to get everyone to quit at once, and so when some do, it only allows those who still want it to buy more (because it becomes cheaper), and so demand goes back up. So if you actually want to change things, you must change the law.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Enter The 36 Chambers
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D.) Is just a re-stated B; if drugs are illegal, the institutionalized drug violence will continue unabated.
In countries which have tried the decriminalization experiment, even THOUGH it wasn't a global decision, violent drug related crimes dropped rapidly, the number of people getting treatment for the problems rose, the number of people who tried hard drugs for the first time dropped rapidly. Portugal was the primo case example: drug related crime dropped so rapidly that the statistical difference was noted within years. Down by as much as 60%.
Yes, I agree with you, the only way we would truly eviscerate the growing tide of drug-war related violence is to globally agree to decriminalization, and I ALSO agree that the USA needs to lead the way. But it is the laws that are causing this problem; drugs have always been used by people and this intense, focused drug-war related violence has not always been a problem. The issue is not drug use, it's the drug war.
QuiteWhittle
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Yet I can't say the UK's favorite c-word with impunity.
LaserBuddha
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I'll tell you what everyone else is hesitant to.
You're a nut, and that's why you're getting enraged like a nut.
If you were rational you'd recognize the inherent folly in making a sweeping generalization about something on a global scale. If you weren't too arrogant to admit to yourself that you're making a lot of this up, you'd at the very least consider the legal and regulated marijuana industries existing in several parts of the U.S. already.
But no, every toke of the devil's weed has blood mixed in with it, and we should certainly focus blame and shame on the end user who can only guess at the odds that they are financing crime, instead of the actual violent criminals and the legislators who give them their power. After all, as you say, it is this intangible "demand for drugs" that is killing people.
TL;DR version: You equated people who buy marijuana with terrorists. Think on what that says about you.
Please appreciate the distinction between legality and morality.
Not quite true. Admitting to drunk driving is a perm (as it should be)
If believing that makes you sleep better, than go ahead. Lie to yourself. I'm pretty sure you would have a different reaction if we were talking about financing arab terrorists, or if a cartel killed a family of yours.
You think the cartels don't control the majority of drugs sold in the USA? Then you don't know half of it. Obviously not 100% of the illegal drugs are coming from them, but the most part is.
The drug war in México surely made it worse. But as long as those guys are making money out of people buying drugs, then the "drug use" is part of the problem.
Tokubetsu
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I get it at Whole Foods, in the fruit & vegetable isle.
HurricaneJesus
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Stop smoking weed and just do shrooms or acid every once and a while to get your fix. They don't test for those as it is too expensive, and leaves your system too quickly. Shit sucks, but you don't want to fuck up your education over getting stoned.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Really??? Jeez good to know. Im a regular user of that word...
Drugs have been used for thousands of years. Yet, this drug violence has not been a problem even near this level. I mean, you don't even need to go back very far. Look at from the moment Nixon declared the drug war, and when Reagan actually put it into fierce action. From this time forward, drug-war related violent crimes have soared to catastrophic levels. It has hampered an entire generation of progress for entire minority communities in the United States.
In 2011, there was a panel that looked at the global drug war and looked at the sources and the solutions. This panel included Colombian president Cesar Gaviria, former Mexican president Ernesto Zedillo, former U.S. secretary of state George Shultz [under conservative US president Ronald Reagan], former Brazilian president Fernando Henrique Cardoso, former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan, and Canadian Louise Arbour, the former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
What did the panel recommend? A panel from all walks of the world, including people that used to lead countries with huge drug problems? A panel that included even a member of the Reagan administration?
● Don’t treat users as criminals.
● Don’t waste time nabbing the small fry. (in other words, if you have to, go after only major distributors; ignore street level dealers)
● Decriminalize or give legal access to some drugs to undercut organized crime
Time and time again, ANYONE who has seriously studied the drug war at any length knows it is an abject failure and THE primary cause of mass drug-related violence. Before the drug war broke out, this was not the problem it is now. You can literally chart a line.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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God damn. Some of you have some seriously ass backwards views on weed. smh
Really?
I could have sworn there was someone who actually posted in this thread multiple times who admitted to driving drunk/buzzed in the past and didn't get banned. (or if they did, it obviously wasn't a perma)
Also, on topic, my uncle cannot hold down a job as he would rather sit at home and smoke weed than work and provide for himself.
Mango Positive
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If my school had done drug tests back in the day, the Valedictorian would have been out on his way-smarter-than-everyone-else-including-the-teachers ass. Pot and hallucinogens, when done responsibly, are good for you and I recommend every one of you try them at some point in your lives. I do recommend that everyone hold out until they're about 20 when their brain has fully formed. You can develop some bad habits in life if you start them too early. Remember, pot is illegal because of Hurst's newspaper / pulp business as well as because of Dow's nylon rope invention. Not because it's bad for you. That shit was tacked on along with the word "marijuana", which was chosen because of the noble U.S. citizen's irrational hatred of Hispanic folk. Many congressmen from the time did not realize that they were making hemp illegal and they had to burn their highly lucrative crops after the vote.
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