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[Gamerfan81]

The fun starts at 45 seconds

Some highlights: "Your games sucked," "You need to get with the times," Make better interfaces and update your technology," "We're totally kicking your ass, back then you were the kings of the world, but your time has pass."




My oh my how things have changed.

 

[64bitmodels]

I mean.... it's phil fish. That guy is such low hanging fruit.

 

[Kurotri]

"Western Devs" and it's just Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow being idiots like usual. Thread title made me expect some weird clip of hundreds of devs doing it.

 

[MayauMiao]

Now these people are creatively bankrupt, no innovation, preachy, and failing. Karma's a bitch.

 

[Judge Magister]

 

[makaveli60]

Yeah, they look exactly the type of people who are on the DEI train but bully anyone if they have the chance while producing shitty “games”
Who is laughing now?

 

[lame gag1990]

Japanese games have always been better in general. Leave Phil Fish in obscurity where he belongs.

 

[nial]

As if we didn't already know of this guy before, come on now.

 

[LazyParrot]

I mean, they had kind of a point. There's a reason pretty much all of the studios and publishers that survived the PS3 generation ended up adopting Western tech, UIs and control schemes.

 

[Fabieter]

Typical western arrogance

 

[Zathalus]

It’s like two guys and at the time it was pretty much true.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I remember this when it originally happened. Looks like a knob

 

[Judge Magister]

Give me a break.

 

[damidu]

oh my god "The Insufferables: United They Stand"

 

[Lupin3]

"Make better interfaces and update your technology," "We're totally kicking your ass"

 

[Kacho]

Now these people are creatively bankrupt, no innovation, preachy, and failing. Karma's a bitch.

Womp womp

That era of indie developers was the worst. Bunch of smug, pompous douchebags.

 

[Bonfires Down]

They were right tho? Their main argument was that japanese games had too much handholding (I think they were focusing on Zelda in particular). And guess what, some of the most successful japanese games like BotW and Elden Ring basically gave you total freedom.

Now, they could have presented their argument in a nicer way, sure.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

There was a blip during the PS360 generation where western devs were thriving and Japanese ones were struggling.

Franchises like Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Tekken all struggled in this era while Microsoft, EA, Activision, Bethesda and Ubisoft all brought out some top games.

Wow have the tables turned, Japan is pumping out great critically acclaimed games while western AAA is in the toilet.

Now Nintendo, Sony, Capcom, Square, FromSoftware, BandaiNamco and a few indies are carrying the industry.

Can’t remember last time I bought anything by Microsoft, EA, Activision, Bethesda and Ubisoft, they largely produce shit now. Apart from Sony’s first party stuff all my PS5 and Switch games are Japanese.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

I remember that attitude towards Japanese games back in the PS3 Era. Yes there were issues where Japanese Developers were having issues with HD Development but by the time PS4 came out they came back with a Vengeance.

Western Developers attitude towards Japanese games is one of the main reasons why I didn't like the PS3 Era. I found the games in that Era to be good but it was nothing like the PS1/PS2 Era where everyone was doing great and I felt there was more variety from both Japanese and Western Developers

 

[StueyDuck]

The fun starts at 45 seconds

Some highlights: "Your games sucked," "You need to get with the times," Make better interfaces and update your technology," "We're totally kicking your ass, back then you were the kings of the world, but your time has pass."




My oh my how things have changed.

Phil fish isn't western devs.

The threads a bit silly don't you think.

 

[ReyBrujo]

I remember that attitude towards Japanese games back in the PS3 Era.

Yep, that's exactly when the Western market went brown for real and started using the JRPG term as a kind of synonymous for "turn-based, old school" game.

 

[Hypereides]

Provocative clip. Kinda baffling Japanese developers allowed themselves to buy into this idiotic perception in hindsight. If anything, Japan had it "together" until the west started pushing this view.

 

[Quantum253]

Wait, didn't Phil quit gaming and refuse to make Fez 2 or anything else because people were laughing at him or mocking the game

 

[Peroroncino]

didn't that guy get butthurt and quit gamedev altogether?

0 class answer though, could've approached a question from a clearly passionate fan in a much more tactful way

 

[Mung]

Awful time. These douches really thought they were important.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I think I've already posted this in a similar thread since this topic keeps being brought up every so often, but I recommend checking this Archipel doc on the renaissance of Japanese games:

Starting end 2016, we saw the release of a succession of Japanese games that were critically acclaimed both in Japan and overseas.

We met with some of their directors to discuss their views on this period and on the state of the Japanese game industry.

Features: Katsura Hashino (Persona 5, Atlus), Tetsuya Mizuguchi (Rez: Infinite, Enhance), Toshihiro Nagoshi (Yakuza 6, SEGA), Koshi Nakanishi (Resident Evil 7, Capcom), Yuya Tokuda (Monster Hunter: World, Capcom), Keiichiro Toyama (Gravity Rush 2, Sony Interactive Entertainment), Fumihiko Yasuda (Nioh, Koei Tecmo), Yoko Taro (NieR: Automata, Square Enix) & John Ricciardi (8-4)

 

[MagusMajul]

Racist liberals are Racists

 

[SJRB]

One hit wonder at the height of hubris casually insults an entire country and decades of legacy before, unbeknownst to him, fading into obscurity while the Japanese videogame industry flourishes.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Yep, that's exactly when the Western market went brown for real and started using the JRPG term as a kind of synonymous for "turn-based, old school" game.

Despite me not liking the PS3 Era, I did love some games that came out of it like Mass Effect Trilogy, Fable 2 and 3, etc. It's just compared to what we were getting in the PS1/PS2 Era, there were noticeable less games I wanted to play right away. Back than is when the DS and PSP were getting all the Japanese Support.

I wasn't a fan of portables back than because the screens were low resolution and I would always hurt my eyes playing them for extended periods of time. Also the control schemes would always hurt my hands. I'm happy for my Switch and Steamdeck especially since they both advanced portables when it comes to screen tech and control schemes.

 

[Kacho]

didn't that guy get butthurt and quit gamedev altogether?

Yes, he announced his departure in dramatic fashion on Twitter. Peak hipster.

 

[Fbh]

Didn't that dude leave the gaming industry in tears because, amongst other things, people were mean to him on Twitter?.

You'd think he would be less of a dick to people asking him an honest question

 

[solecon64]

I played through Cave Story (and +) this year and the game made me cry. Not even for any particular scene, just simply playing it - it's such a wonderfully pure representation of what the developer wanted to show and say through his art. Absolutely beautiful - a perfect example of what "indie games" could and should be.

So it boggles my mind how the fucking western media chose these two absolutely garbage pieces of filth to be the representatives for the indie boom into mainstream that generation. Team Meat was alright, but these two (noticeably off) losers were an embarrassment.

 

[LordOcidax]

*One western dev…

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Phil Fish is a piece of shit that thinks he is special and has something unique to offer the world. He doesn't and when people on Twitter let him know he was a cunt, he left the industry in tears.

It makes my blood boil that he was as rude as that to someone with a genuine question. Wanker.

 

[Drell]

These 2 guys made like one good game, that's all and they dare mock an industry that probably provided them some games they have fond childhood memories of them, memories that also probably influenced them to be the indies they are.... For fuck sake I hope they apologized by this time.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Oh, how the turn tables

 

[JimboJones]

Japanese devs at the time where dropping the ball big time, they where going through a rough time. Phil was kind of mean and out of line but Jonathon Blow at least gave some constructive criticism.

 

[Spukc]

Looking at advancing the media in story telling.
The last of is 2 is generations ahead of jpn sheit.

Then botw comes along in gamplay and shows the west how to do gameplay

 

[Bradamante3D]

Sure, just Phil being a moron. However, this is a really old clip and back then Japanese mainstream games felt stagnant, whereas with the success of Fez, Super Meat Boy and Braid, these Western indie devs were riding high. They have crashed and burned since then, of course. The demise of XBox Live Arcade was the first stab, the end of Kickstarter mania the next, bad revenue shares the next, and bad discoverebility on store fronts kills everybody.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Yep, that's exactly when the Western market went brown for real and started using the JRPG term as a kind of synonymous for "turn-based, old school" game.

Unfortunately some of these Japanese developers have taken on some of these Western Developers traits when it comes to making videogames. Reason why South Korea and China have been eating their lunch in the videogame market recently. Hope they course correct sooner rather than later

 

[Hunter 99]

Very rude response like they are something special.the fact the whole table was pretty much laughing at the guy shows how much everyone sat there is a pretentious cunt.
glad the japanese and Asia as a whole are showing western devs how its done once again.

 

[Thebonehead]

Phil Fish's time has quite rightly passed.

What an arrogant Cunt

 

[Hunter 99]

Someone please post a video of the japanese laughing at western dev question so I can feel better

 

[Judge Magister]

Sure it was not their peak yet a "struggling Japan" looks like this...

 

[Kataploom]

Not only FF13 got a trilogy, also Asian games are the most popular these days, they are the ones that have been setting trend all industry wide... Does anybody but GAF know what a Fez is? Lmao

 

[Fake]

They envy Nintendo games getting more money than the trash they made. Western can smell their own fart.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Sure it was not their peak yet a "struggling Japan" looks like this...

And that's the thing even when they were struggling, they manage to makes games like those you mentioned that are widely considered classics nowadays

 

[Banjo64]

This is what you call hubris.

 

[RaduN]

I mean, they had kind of a point. There's a reason pretty much all of the studios and publishers that survived the PS3 generation ended up adopting Western tech, UIs and control schemes.

Wha?

Last time i checked 99.97% of western action games control like Re4 and Kill Switch.
Nah, make it 99.99%.

 

[Drell]

Sure it was not their peak yet a "struggling Japan" looks like this...

Castlevania LoS was made by Mercury Stream though.