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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses

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You said, "people were concerned" and I said "No, people made up scenarios not backed by evidence". I wasn't talking about you personally.

Well I was talking about the rise of the right in general. It's something to be concerned about, and it's not made up scenarios.

You want evidence? Le Pen made it into the second round of this election and will likely score at least a third of the vote. Geert Wilders' party gained in strength and became the second strongest in the Dutch house of representatives. UKIP won around a third of the 2014 European parliament election. Austria's FPÖ is at about a third in the parliamentary polls, and barely dodged a bullet in its presidential election last year with nearly half of the votes going to the FP candidate. Sweden Democrats have been gaining nearly 10% points in polls for next year's election. The Spanish People's Party has won with about 30% of the vote last year. And let's not even begin to talk about Hungary, Poland or Italy.

It's not a made up scenario. It is backed up with evidence.

Edit: Mixed up UK European parliament and local elections, apologies.
 

Xando

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Today are also the elections in the North of Germany. Let's hope the far-right gets stomped here as well.

You jinxed it

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Well I was talking about the rise of the right in general. It's something to be concerned about, and it's not made up scenarios.

You want evidence? Le Pen made it into the second round of this election and will likely score at least a third of the vote. Geert Wilders' party gained in strength and became the second strongest in the Dutch house of representatives. UKIP won around a third of the 2014 local elections. Austria's FPÖ is at about a third in the parliamentary polls, and barely dodged a bullet in its presidential election last year with nearly half of the votes going to the FP candidate. Sweden Democrats have been gaining nearly 10% points in polls for next year's election. The Spanish People's Party has won with about 30% of the vote last year. And let's not even begin to talk about Hungary, Poland or Italy.

It's not a made up scenario. It is backed up with evidence.
We should be concerned. But remember, Wilders performed WORSE than he did a few years ago.
 
Every country has a solid base of nutters in the 30% range.

It is just that the Far-Right nutters outperformed the Far-Left nutters 2 weeks ago
 
We should be concerned. But remember, Wilders performed WORSE than he did a few years ago.

He did gain a few percent points compared to the last election though, did he not?
Either way, yes, it seems like in some places, the right winger wave is starting to calm again, which is great, but it's still not just some sort of la la land scenario people are dreaming up in order to fearmonger.
 
Nope. Certainly not every country.
Yes, but it is not every country that has Far-Right party strong enough to pull ahead so the nutters will settle with the vanilla establishment Right wing party instead.

Canada and the UK have their nutters but they settle for the Tories/ Conservatives because that is all they got to actually win
 

dosh

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I can't believe chocolatine is losing to pain au chocolat in GAF poll.

Is it time for France to join the USA?
please don't
Not a single chance. If only because our electoral system is very different. But mostly because Le Pen won't win, ever.
 
Yes, but it is not every country that has Far-Right party strong enough to pull ahead so the nutters will settle with the vanilla establishment Right wing party instead

I wouldn't say that the conversatives in Germany are really bad. Well, to be fair the CSU part is terrible lol. Right wing anti-science crazy fuckers are currently polling at 8 or 9% (which is already bad enough :/).
 

Chibrou

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À voté.
I live in yerres and just walked by Dupont aignant leaving the polling place followed by bfm, that was sureal.
 
I wouldn't say that the conversatives in Germany are really bad. Well, to be fair the CSU part is terrible lol. Right wing anti-science crazy fuckers are currently polling at 8 or 9% (which is already bad enough :/).
Take the UK.
While UKIP does exist, even nutters know that UKIP can't win, so they settle with the Tories
 

Erevador

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Hoping Thor can edge out Macron and usher in the age of Asgard.

The hammer of the gods is the only thing that can reboot French industry and put the people back to work.
 
It's certainly true for quite a few countries. But it's definitely not true for others.
Not all countries have as much diversity of parties to choose from that have credible chances of winning.


Voters end up settling with one of the two bigger parties


*example, take Portugal. Their FN equivalent is the PNR (they even copied the FN's logo), but they have almost no support and no represnatives elected.
So most Right wingers will either vote for the vanilla Center-Right PSD or the for vanilla Right-Wing CDS-PP . (both PSD and CDS-PP have formed coalitions together to outnumber the Socialists in the past 40 years)
 
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My quick translation:

A dozen media organization are reporting this sunday that they"ve been "prohibited" from attending the FN election party which prompt a "solidarity" boycott from Libération and Les Inrocks.

On Twitter, journalists from Buzzfeed, Mediapart, Les Jours, Rue 89, StreetPress, Politico, Bondy Blog, Explicite, Brut, Konbini but also from the weekly newspaper Politis or from the TV show Quotidien hosted by Yann Barthès on TMC said that their demand for an accreditation was denied by the far right political party.

Stay classy FN.
 
Doubt it. France's electoral system is much better than ours.

I can't believe chocolatine is losing to pain au chocolat in GAF poll.


Not a single chance. If only because our electoral system is very different. But mostly because Le Pen won't win, ever.
Of course I am saying this as an ignorant American that knows noting about france's election system :p well hopefully you guys are right. Don't make the same mistakes we (Americans) did.
 
France is going to be ok, charles.

oh god, oh GOD.

the RELIEF.

[you're not playing are you?]

DONT PLAY WITH CHARLES

Friend, I was born and raised in the south-west. It'll always be chocolatine. You pain au chocolat Philistines will always be on the wrong side of History.

lol, in all my time in the south-west, never heard chocolatine [Toulouse, Caignac, Carcasssonne].

only place i've ever been looked at funny for asking for a pain au chocolat was in Montreal [where everyone is an asshole anyway so it wasn't unusual].

anyway, just looked this up and you're obviously right - apparently the English occupation of the Sud-Ouest is to blame [interesting!] for the creation of chocolatine.

perhaps i don't go to bakeries much when i'm in the SO, which would make sense as i'm typically there to visit ma belle famille in Caignac.

[life long french immersion student, back in conversation classes now that i travel to Paris for work twice a year, always love an opportunity to learn something!]


It's going to be ok.

oh thank christ.
 

roytheone

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Good luck French buddies!

Remember: we didn't fuck it up! Do you guys want to be inferior to the Netherlands? Of course not! So don't fuck it up! Join us in sane land! It's nice here.
 

dosh

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France is no more. Civil war or bust.

Ha yes, the Viennoiserie Wars, as foretold by the Ancients.

lol, in all my time in the south-west, never heard chocolatine [Toulouse, Caignac, Carcasssonne].
Really? That's funny. I mean, taking shit from the rest of the country for saying "chocolatine" is kind of a local sport in the south-west. Can't talk for Toulouse and Carcassonne though, I've mostyl been living in Bayonne and Bordeaux.


only place i've ever been looked at funny for asking for a pain au chocolat was in Montreal [where everyone is an asshole anyway so it wasn't unusual].
Haha :D
 
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