benjipwns
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So 19th century Anglo-American politics?
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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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A lot can still happen in the next two weeks to strip Macron of some votes. I don't think he can do anything to get more votes than he would get if the 2nd round was tomorrow, now the attacks will be solely focused on him, everything has already been said about LP and the FN, and to many the flux of "celebrity" support will sound like the usual "establishment trying to save the status quo". It's exactly the same situation as what happened in the UK and the US.
But again, a disappointing term by Macron will just open the door to the FN in a few years, wider than it has been so far, and polarize the political scene, which usually favors the right over the left, especially in an aging society.
But again, a disappointing term by Macron will just open the door to the FN in a few years, wider than it has been so far, and polarize the political scene, which usually favors the right over the left, especially in an aging society.
And I like you for that
But I really don't believe that it works that way and Merkel or the government just want to have yes-men in french. Germany and France are deeply connected, both historically and economically. We need you guys
Cybrwzrd
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Le Pen is basically Adolfa Hitler politically. Her party is basically the equivalent of French National Socialists.
On the other hand. Macron is a free market capitalist ex banker who thinks the invisible hand can fix everything. He would be called a Libertarian here in the USA.
More like a fight between liberalism and nationalism
This. Globalism/Liberalaism vs nationalism.
whyamihere
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Did I miss Macron talk yet?
Sgt. Kabukiman
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But with a beret and baguette.
Nice try, CNN.
We know you're thirsty for it, but no.
See you in five years.
On the other hand, you clearly know jack shit about French politics.
Errr, in no way would he be called libertarian lol
Alx
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Good one. ^_^
Are you out of your mind? No libertarian would look at his program and go "Yep, that's pretty much exactly what I advocate".
Red Arremer
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Nah, he would be considered a nutty left-wing tumblrette because he's not thumping the Bible and thinks women should have equality. /s
In all seriousness though, Macron would fall very much in line with very typical establishment Democrats in the US, not Libertarians.
Nope.
Nah, Macron would definitely be a Democrat.
Cybrwzrd
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Am I wrong about Le Pen? She is awful.
I am reading Macron's policies and he is all about free markets and liberal economics but is very socially liberal.
EU sure could use a Yes-man right now though...
OldGangWarily
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Yeah I saw in the NYT Live Analysis that Mélenchon called choosing between the candidates as "Choosing between the brown plague and liberal cholera".
Trust me. What we care about the most is not letting Le Pen destroy the Euro and the EU. You can already see how Merkel or Germany is losing influence within the EU. Southern Europe's buddy is France, the UK goes away, Poland demands more authority and is pretty much anti-Merkel.
Germany knows it faces opposition. You already see concessions with the Europe of two speeds. And Merkel faces opposition from the SPD, who pretty much agree with everyone else that austerity is not the solution to Europe's problems.
From what I've been reading about him Macron is probably the closest thing to a US democrat there is in europe.
According to a fresh Ipsos poll, 60% of Mélenchon's voters will vote for Macron.
https://twitter.com/W_Chloe/status/856238781623672833
https://twitter.com/W_Chloe/status/856238781623672833
It doesn't mean 40% Lepen. Most of them probably won't vote.
From a new sondage, Macron will probably have an easy win, 62% against 38% for Lepen...
https://twitter.com/franceinfo/status/856237696443985920
https://twitter.com/franceinfo/status/856237696443985920
JoeyJungle
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He's France's Jill Stein?
Le Pen is awful. She's more Steve Bannon than she is Donald Trump.
Macron's economic policies seem to follow the consensus of economists (immigration and free trade is a good thing), and is socially liberal (called the French occupation of Algeria a crime against humanity, against laws banning headscarves, etc.)
Macron.
That's good.
The thought of LePen getting 38% is making me gag
Also wow at Melenchon's both sides play.
whyamihere
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Okay. I will take this.
SDCowboy
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Ah, good.
Seems more like a mixture of Jill Stein and Alexis Tsipras.
As someone who despises free market capitalism and xenophobia and racism in all its forms I'd have a horrible lesser of two evils choice to make. I'd go with Macron because of his views on immigration but Le Pen's economic policies align more with someone on the far left like myself. It's a pity her and her party are horribly repugnant nationalists.
Cybrwzrd
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From heavy.com
http://heavy.com/news/2017/04/emmanuel-macron-political-policy-positions-platform-campaign-france/\
He doesn't sound like a Democrat to me...
Beware the evil scary banker.
The problem with far-something candidates is they usually have their ideologies and their heads so far up their own asses that they won't accept any compromise. To them, any compromise is just like being sheep and bowing to the media/system/other countries. They're *gasp* extremists in every way.
For a more dignified stance, you only need to listen to Hamon's post-defeat speech, which basically boils down to "I failed, the PS failed, it's our fault, we need to do some serious thinking. For the moment, vote Macron even if he doesn't represent the left. I know to draw the line between a political adversary (Macron) and an enemy of the republic (Le Pen)."
Good guy Hamon indeed. Even if I didn't vote for him, I'm sad he isn't more popular. But I hope he can lick his wounds and come back stronger next time around.
whyamihere
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38% is wildly consistent with how Macron has been performing against Le Pen for a while fwiw
Full details of 2nd tour poll :
76% of Hamon's voters -> Macron. 3% to Le Pen. 21% none.
99% of Macron's Voters will vote for...Macron. ONE % to Le Pen (good joke mate you're very funny).
47% of Fillon's Voters for Macron, 23 to Lepen, 30 to none.
4% of Lepen's voters for Macron, 94 to Lepen (duh) and 2 to none.
52% of those who voted Mélenchon will vote Macron. 12% to Le Pen. 36% none.
76% of Hamon's voters -> Macron. 3% to Le Pen. 21% none.
99% of Macron's Voters will vote for...Macron. ONE % to Le Pen (good joke mate you're very funny).
47% of Fillon's Voters for Macron, 23 to Lepen, 30 to none.
4% of Lepen's voters for Macron, 94 to Lepen (duh) and 2 to none.
Mélenchon's spokeperson has been more explicit, saying something like "not a single vote should go for the national front [for the 2nd turn]".
This election will be remembered as the failure of the left, I dreamt about a Hamon/Mélenchon alliance, sad.
Now let's kick LePen out.
This election will be remembered as the failure of the left, I dreamt about a Hamon/Mélenchon alliance, sad.
Now let's kick LePen out.
Gurgelhals
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Sure took his bloody time...
I see a few Melanchon voters go to Le Pen. Even if they would 'think' they are against everything she is about. Many will also choose none or to stay home.
People are not seeing the forest for the trees. You have very anti-EU, anti-immigration, anti-globalization, ultranationalism take centre stage. It will not go away with a Le Pen second round loss. Someone said not to be worried because her dad got a lot in 2002. Well 15 years later his daughter is currently #1 with 25% according to the interior ministry. Macron is pro-EU, a banker, but you pretty much saw the repudiation of far left, and centre left politics in France tonight for a bit. The pendulum has definitely swung right.
People are not seeing the forest for the trees. You have very anti-EU, anti-immigration, anti-globalization, ultranationalism take centre stage. It will not go away with a Le Pen second round loss. Someone said not to be worried because her dad got a lot in 2002. Well 15 years later his daughter is currently #1 with 25% according to the interior ministry. Macron is pro-EU, a banker, but you pretty much saw the repudiation of far left, and centre left politics in France tonight for a bit. The pendulum has definitely swung right.
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