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[Alx]

That's incredible because if Hamon can (and probably will) steal some from Mélanchon, he can actually reach back the top.

Sick.

The attacks and scandals will probably hit Macron at last second. He's the man to kill for everybody.

He already "stole" around 5% according to the latest trends, the remaining 10 might be harder to convince.

About Macron, there was a tentative start of something with the way he used his budget before leaving his role as a minister, but apparently it's not likely to become a big story (yeah I know, that's what I said about the Pénélope story too )

If Macron goes down too can LePen win?

Unlikely. Macron going down would benefit one of the other moderate candidates, but probably not Le Pen. As a matter of fact all candidates have been moving up and down during the last weeks, and Le Pen hasn't moved from 25-27%.

 

[Slaythe]

He already "stole" around 5% according to the latest trends, the remaining 10 might be harder to convince.

About Macron, there was a tentative start of something with the way he used his budget before leaving his role as a minister, but apparently it's not likely to become a big story (yeah I know, that's what I said about the Pénélope story too )

Yeah but now Mélanchon has literally 0 chance to win, while before he was supposed to be above Hamon.

The more time passes, the bigger Hamon gets as the left candidate. Those polls just follow his investiture.

Not all Mélanchon supporters will go Hamon but he only needs 4% from him to be "big". And the bigger he gets the more left voters he will get.


Lepen can only win against Fillon. (if everything goes right for her)

She'll lose to Hamon and Macron easily.

 

[Mael]

I didn't know we had an OT for this!
Great to see GAF discussing this.
Will be complicated to do my civic duty this year but by God I'll try!

Fillon's meltdown is the best thing to happen this year so far.

Can someone explain Macron's whatever the hell is happening?
I can't wrap my head around that at all.

 

[BaronLundi]

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Cheers for that. Excellent idea. Followed them both.

 

[mo60]

I didn't know we had an OT for this!
Great to see GAF discussing this.
Will be complicated to do my civic duty this year but by God I'll try!

Fillon's meltdown is the best thing to happen this year so far.

Can someone explain Macron's whatever the hell is happening?
I can't wrap my head around that at all.

Macron's has been rising in polls lately because center-left wing Socialist voters scared of Hamon are probably moving slightly towards him while center right wing voters that used to support Fillon are ditching him for Macron most likely. Le Pen has stayed pretty static in polls in the last month or so and she's pretty much doomed no matter what happens to Macron at this point.

 

[Mael]

Macron's has been rising in polls lately because center-left wing Socialist voters scared of Hamon are probably moving slightly towards him while center right wing voters that used to support Fillon are ditching him for Macron most likely. Le Pen has stayed pretty static in polls in the last month or so and she's pretty much doomed no matter what happens to Macron at this point.

That part of the mechanic I understand.
What I don't get is how Macron didn't cratter like Valls already.
Or maybe people aren't so down on Hollande as the vocal social media seems to claim?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

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[mo60]

That part of the mechanic I understand.
What I don't get is how Macron didn't cratter like Valls already.
Or maybe people aren't so down on Hollande as the vocal social media seems to claim?

He hasn't cratered like Valls yet because he is not as tied to the current government as Valls was.He resigned from the unpopular Hollande government and created his own movement not tied to the current establishment which seems to be helping his campaign a lot.

 

[Alx]

I still wonder why the Hollande presidency/government has such a bad outlook. Was it that bad ? As much as I can't find anything to praise him for, I can't find anything to blame him for either. Well unemployment and growth aren't great, but it's not as if previous governments were better.

 

[G.O.O.]

That part of the mechanic I understand.
What I don't get is how Macron didn't cratter like Valls already.
Or maybe people aren't so down on Hollande as the vocal social media seems to claim?

New political structure, generally positive, can-do attitude, and to be honest the finance minister job allows one to give a good impression without telling too much about what you've been doing. Probably the kind of thing that made DSK popular before the sofitel case.

 

[Kurtofan]

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thanks

 

[Mass_Pincup]

I still wonder why the Hollande presidency/government has such a bad outlook. Was it that bad ? As much as I can't find anything to praise him for, I can't find anything to blame him for either. Well unemployment and growth aren't great, but it's not as if previous governments were better.

The Cahuzac affair, les frondeurs showed some form of imcompetence. Then there's the 49.3, the airport of Notre-Dame des Landes with the death of the protester, The El Khomri law, Trierweiler, the book "Un président ne devrait pas dire ça" and I fell like it's a lot for one government.

Granted it's the first presidency where I'm old enough to follow.

 

[Mael]

He hasn't cratered like Valls yet because he is not as tied to the current government as Valls was.He resigned from the unpopular Hollande government and created his own movement not tied to the current establishment which seems to be helping his campaign a lot.

Unless he went with his own deputés and senators, he's kind of alone in his movement.
Then again when you see the jokers people elect that's certainly a good thing...
He's seemed like a personnal friend of Hollande to boot, unlike the "have to suffer" Valls that clearly was there because he pretty much had no choice there.

New political structure, generally positive, can-do attitude, and to be honest the finance minister job allows one to give a good impression without telling too much about what you've been doing. Probably the kind of thing that made DSK popular before the sofitel case.

That's a good point and he doesn't have anything bad tied to him yet.
For all the good talk people gave DSK, he still was a fucking crook of the level of Chirac in the 2000's (cassette Mery for example).
This one seems like Villepin although Macron seems to actually be popular beyond that one speech he did unlike that big guy.

The Cahuzac affair, les frondeurs showed some form of imcompetence. Then there's the 49.3, the airport of Notre-Dame des Landes with the death of the protester, The El Khomri law, Trierweiler, the book "Un président ne devrait pas dire ça" and I fell like it's a lot for one government.

Granted it's the first presidency where I'm old enough to follow.

You should have seen Mitterand, it started off well.
By the time he was reelected, it was disaster after disasters.
even the choices for Prime ministers were horrible.
Who still remember Edith Cresson after all.
The whole thing with Beregovoy was beyond stupid.
Rainbow Warrior, the loss in 95 and so on.
Seriously 2nd round was a disaster.
Chirac was hilariously incompetent but he did manage to get reelected because he actually did nothing and he's a nice guy.
Who gives a shit about governing after all?
I don't think I need to say anything about Sarkozy, the guy who was elected to bring the American social model in France just before the whole model fell apart in 2007.
Yeah Hollande wasn't so bad all in all.

Best part was probably the combo Jospin/Chirac that really worked well surprisingly.

 

[Fistwell]

Best part was probably the combo Jospin/Chirac that really worked well surprisingly.

I think Jospin knew his stuff. Seemed like one of the few genuine, honest ones too. It's unfortunate he had the charisma of a toilet bowl.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

thanks

It's not much, but every bit of meme magic helps. Look at the Gottkanzler.

 

[G.O.O.]

https://twitter.com/gerard_larcher/status/827918992648069120

:')

 

[Coffinhal]

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[Alx]

I caught some parts of his meeting on TV, he's a very good speaker. But the cheering crowd was annoying.

Also apparently Fillon is expected to make an apprarance on TV in the coming days, where he would do a mea culpa and disclose all his financial stuff (assistants, consulting, patrimony,...) (source c l'hebdo on France 5)

 

[Makareu]

I think Jospin knew his stuff. Seemed like one of the few genuine, honest ones too. It's unfortunate he had the charisma of a toilet bowl.

I still cant get over 2002. It was the first and only time, for me, where the election was about choosing someone (Jospin) and not about eliminating everyone else.

Regarding Macron, I kind of like him but I dont really know why. That's usually not a good sign in politics. I'll have some homeworks to do.

 

[SporeCrawler]

SO generally speaking it looks like

Le Pen first and Macron second in the primaries and then Macron win in the finals correct?

I cant imagine UMP voters will vote for le pen

 

[mo60]

SO generally speaking it looks like

Le Pen first and Macron second in the primaries and then Macron win in the finals correct?

I cant imagine UMP voters will vote for le pen

Moderate UMP voters won't vote for le pen if Macron gets to the second round.

Also it looks like Macron is starting to attack the FN.Le Pen also revealed the FN's platform for the election yesterday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...sidential-candidate-lyon-france-a7563436.html

 

[G.O.O.]

Some UMP voters will definitely pick Le Pen though. The Sarkozy era prepared them for this quite well.

 

[Fistwell]

Some UMP voters will definitely pick Le Pen though. The Sarkozy era prepared them for this quite well.

Unfortunately, that's what I've come to think as well.

 

[MistakenMobius]

Some UMP voters will definitely pick Le Pen though. The Sarkozy era prepared them for this quite well.

Well aren't most le pen voter, former communist voter?

 

[G.O.O.]

Well aren't most le pen voter, former communist voter?

Not *most*. The Jean-Marie era was fiercely anticommunist, his daughter turned the party into something more left-wing inspired economically and that allowed her to bring in former communists (#2 Philippot himself used to be from the sovereignist left).

But most of the components of the racist/antidemocratic right are still there - and can't wait to take back the party btw.

 

[G.O.O.]

EDIT : oh look, our good friends at wikileaks seem to be targeting Macron now. What a coincidence.

Sputnik is on him too now. Figures.

 

[KooopaKid]

SO generally speaking it looks like

Le Pen first and Macron second in the primaries and then Macron win in the finals correct?

I cant imagine UMP voters will vote for le pen

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

 

[maquiladora]

Sputnik is on him too now. Figures.

Well it worked with Trump. Of course they will do it again and again...

 

[maquiladora]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

Please consider voting for a banker if only to stop a vile fascist gaining power.

Look what happened in the US.

 

[SporeCrawler]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

SOunds awefully close to those bernie or busters that indirectly helped trump to get elected.

Also it shouldnt be an automatic disqualification just because you worked for banks in the past. Its important what the current stance is on regulations, EU, economic policy, NATO and things like that.

 

[MoodyFog]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

Way to learn from the U.K. and US mistakes

 

[EmiPrime]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

A Le Pen victory would destroy the country to such an extent it will take generations to recover from but yeah a centre-left former investment banker who can be gotten rid of a few years later if he's a flop is totally equivalent. /s

Look at how much damage Trump has managed to inflict on the US in just 2 weeks and wake up.

 

[Palette Swap]

The future of the EU is the most important issue right now. I'd vote for Fillon in a heartbeat in a run off between him and Le Pen, and I really dislike Fillon. She's made abundantly clear she's steering towards a Brexit scenario.

So yeah, "but a banker" is really below the stakes and is awfully reminiscent of recent elections. The US election has made it crystal clear that all you need is apathy to fuck yourself out of the developed world.

 

[Phantast2k]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

---

 

[Cabaratier]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

Please be a responsible adult and vote for the best option from the choices you are given, whatever they are.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

Please stop the fascist Le Pen from getting in to power. Please vote against her.
Don't make the mistake Americans made.

 

[G.O.O.]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

Mario Draghi is a former Goldman Sachs banker and has probably been the most important force in the EU to counter the effects of austerity. Having been a banker doesn't make one a heartless bastard

 

[Alx]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

Oh come on, first you were saying "Fillon Vs Le Pen, I'm not voting !", now it's "Macron Vs Le Pen, I'm not voting !".
Then, about the far right :

If you want to slow down the free transit of persons, to have the power to print your own money again, detach your country's decisions from Brussels, favorize your national enterprises, stop the TTIP, take a backseat in NATO, what are your options as a voter?

Could you at least embrace your opinions without pretending ?

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

uh oh..

 

[oti]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

Ok. Give me your vote. Vote for Macron, you idiot.

 

[Elandyll]

A banker VS Le Pen. What a great choice! Fuck this. I will not vote if that's the case.

"A bank supported crook vs a nationalist populist, both sides as bad, won't vote"...

Where have I heard that before, and why do I feel it ended up horribly?

 

[Fistwell]

Hey le pen is pro-russia? Didnt even know. Knew about fillon, not le pen.

 

[oti]

Hey le pen is pro-russia? Didnt even know. Knew about fillon, not le pen.

dude

http://bfy.tw/9u2J

 

[EmiPrime]

Hey le pen is pro-russia? Didnt even know. Knew about fillon, not le pen.

Have you been living in a cave? Nearly every far right party in Europe has financial and idealogical ties to Russia.

 

[Fistwell]

dude

http://bfy.tw/9u2J

bro

I don't go and google links between every candidates and every country of note, thought we all were having a conversation here. My bad I guess. Anyways, thanks for going out of your way to get me that insulting cute little animation.

Have you been living in a cave? Nearly every far right party in Europe has financial and idealogical ties to Russia.

I've been living in a country where I don't speak the language, and not watching any TV. Guess that qualifies as a cave. I'll stop asking questions guys, my bad.

 

[Holden]

tbf Assange claimed he had dirt on clinton the last few months of the election and he had literately nothing.

Seems like this will help Hamon more than anybody if this is true.

 

[Zautruche]

Oh come on, first you were saying "Fillon Vs Le Pen, I'm not voting !", now it's "Macron Vs Le Pen, I'm not voting !".
Then, about the far right :


Could you at least embrace your opinions without pretending ?

Why would he ? FN's minions are told to be devious and manipulative when engaging opponents.

 

[Mac_Lane]

Melenchon's hologram :

 

[oti]

bro

I don't go and google links between every candidates and every country of note, thought we all were having a conversation here. My bad I guess. Anyways, thanks for going out of your way to get me that insulting cute little animation.


I've been living in a country where I don't speak the language, and not watching any TV. Guess that qualifies as a cave. I'll stop asking questions guys, my bad.

Le Pen is the biggest threat to the Europen Union. People should really read up on her and watch some of her interviews. The way she sneaks in her awful ideology behind reasonable sounding ideas is fascinating. That's why she's so dangerous.

 

[EmiPrime]

I've been living in a country where I don't speak the language, and not watching any TV. Guess that qualifies as a cave. I'll stop asking questions guys, my bad.

Just surprising that you had heard of Fillion's pro-Russian sympathies but not Le Pen's financial ties to the Putin regime and her constant fawning over him. One is a lot more overt than the other.