Just accept that you're very passionate about something that 99.9% of players do not care about, in a game that you don't even play.
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Overwatch marks a new low in Unlocking and Microtransaction systems that I'm aware of
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Just accept that you're very passionate about something that 99.9% of players do not care about, in a game that you don't even play.
Interfectum
Member
Everything that you want is unlockable far quicker because of the currency. It's not like you have to wait 300 hours to get that legendary skin you were hoping for. Play enough and you'll easily build up enough gold to get it.
And 400 hours to unlock absolutely everything in a game built for long lasting play seems reasonable to me.
Oh no how dare they, making you play the game to unlock things? The fucking cheek!
Azure Phoenix
Member
I mean, the random aspect sucks of course, but if you're the average sort of player that just wants to unlock their favourite skin, voice, pose, emote and intro for the characters you regularly play it's not really that much of a problem. Early on you will have very little gold to play with, but as you get gold for duplicates the more you've unlocked the more you'll have to spend on the bits you haven't got lucky enough to get.
Personally at level 20 I already have the Mercy and Lucio skins and Mei voice I want as well as 210 gold in pocket. To get everything else I want I need about 3000 more coins assuming I get absolutely nothing randomly. For something I'm probably going to put a few hundred hours into, I cannot see that is a problem at all. It's less of a grind than earning enough money to buy cosmetic gear you want in most MMOs.
Personally at level 20 I already have the Mercy and Lucio skins and Mei voice I want as well as 210 gold in pocket. To get everything else I want I need about 3000 more coins assuming I get absolutely nothing randomly. For something I'm probably going to put a few hundred hours into, I cannot see that is a problem at all. It's less of a grind than earning enough money to buy cosmetic gear you want in most MMOs.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Is it ridiculous that voice acting is charged for? Of course.
But does anyone else care? Of course not. People like unlocking pointless things.
But does anyone else care? Of course not. People like unlocking pointless things.
Newtype-001
Member
Just an example...of a micro-transaction that actually have an impact on the course of the game. Almost all pay to win MT can be unlocked by playing and grinding but people are to busy to do it (I guess) so micro-transactions are like the new cheat codes. Want more fps? No problem 10 bucks for a box that may or may not have a super weapon.
Edit:
See? People want everything now and the laziness is real.
Even if he cared so much, they're 25 coins each.
It's mind-boggling how people are dismissing the fact that all future meaningful content is free partly because of the micro-transactions. What else do you want them to do? Sell the maps and characters as DLC? Have the game go F2P and have characters be unlockable through progression or payment ala HotS?
How would they feasibly make money post-launch to continue support and server uptime? Someone enlighten me.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Yes it is fine, since it's MP only and we'll prolly be playing this game for years.
I dropped 777 hours in ME3MP, 410 hours in PD2, 500 hours in Marvel Heroes, 300+ hours in warframe.
And I'm not even in the mid spectrum of people that play constantly since I have to work every day.
400 hours on an MP only game really isn't that bad.
I would prefer it if everything was available from the get-go, but talk about an overreaction. Pre-emptively trying to negate the "but the gameplay isn't impacted" argument doesn't in fact negate it. It's a class based multiplayer shooter, that's the heart of the game, not the writing. Who the hell is playing this game for the writing?
Dude, you're not being ingenous when you're calling them "user-initiated communication" and claiming that they add any meaningful characterization to the game beyond what's in the game by default. It's a reach.
You consider them a new low because the voice lines are very important to you, but they aren't for me and I assume the majority of Overwatch players. Yes, putting voice lines in an mtx bundle is a new thing (edit: Well not really since apparently taunts are mtx in other games). No, it's not a new low, because we'd still vastly prefer it in a crate over elements that affect gameplay or that are vital to a majority of the player base.
edit: And yes, you can listen to all the voice lines in the menu before unlocking them in case you didn't know.
truestatic
Member
Another video of some of the game's unavoidable, universally available, unprompted contextual conversations and auto callouts that are way way better than the voice lines, to show that no one is missing out on anything of value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqIKRL_5f6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqIKRL_5f6o
Zen_Arcade
Banned
All of the other voice lines matter just as much to the actual game play as Bastions robot noises do.
Zenyatta going "Hello, World" isn't going to help you win a match anymore than Bastion going "Zrrrr" will.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Okay? Is it a bad thing that the developers want you to play the game for more than a week? Do you need all those unlocks for every character? At some point you're going to notice that you really only like one or 2 skins, a dozen sprays and maybe 1 or 2 of everything else, all of which can be bought with currency over time, if you have bad luck with rng.
TheLetdown
Member
I was wondering if I was misremembering this, but you can preview the voice lines, right?
As in, if the complaint is that they're locking the "lore" of the characters in these voice lines, this complaint is entirely meaningless because you can just preview them to hear them all. You would only need to unlock them to be able to use them at will in game.
-MD-
Member
Are you factoring in using coins to buy the things you actually want?
You're aware you earn coins for duplicate items, yes?
OP, what you're complaining about is a 2 secs quote or taunt that nobody use because they're completely worthless and it's better to focus on what's actually important, killing people and doing the objectives.
Most people stick to "Hello" or "Heal me" voice commands anyway. And those don't need to be unlock.
Are you even aware that the heroes actually talk without any player input during the game, again without any unlocks needed? So what the hell are you complaining about when you talk about "locking writing".
Way to make a big deal about something that isn't.
Most people stick to "Hello" or "Heal me" voice commands anyway. And those don't need to be unlock.
Are you even aware that the heroes actually talk without any player input during the game, again without any unlocks needed? So what the hell are you complaining about when you talk about "locking writing".
Way to make a big deal about something that isn't.
Ryo Hazuki
Member
Wait, what? OH WOW. Well then. Nothing more to be said really.
There's a lot of relevant discussion that can be applied to microtransactions in games but this thread focused on random voice lines you can unlock for free that have no impact on the game is not it.
Chronospherics
Member
Why don't you do the same? I said that there posts were disrespectful and rude, I did not make an effort to moderate them in any way. I merely drew attention to the quality of those posts for the rest of the thread to see, and I should note that I am also not the only person that has labelled this thread as toxic.
Additionally, being respectful with your replies has nothing to do with believing the OP or not. Whether I do or not agree with his perspective is independent of my own perspective on others posts here.
I did voice my opinion on the issue a few posts back, and while I think the MT is abrasive, I think the voice lines are really the least of it. I also, have formed any opinion that I hold by playing the game.
It's not really an issue of time but an issue of the amount of content that you are getting over the course of that time. In PvZ GW2 for instance, you might require 200 hours to unlock everything, but you are unlocking something every game or two. Maps are also free in this game.
Even in Call of Duty, you unlock an abundance of weapon skins within a short span of time, on Uncharted, you can log in every day, finish two challenges within an hour and unlock six loot boxes for doing so. Those loot boxes feature no duplicates, or character specifics.
The currency doesn't unlock things quickly at all. I have played Overwatch for 19 hours and I have 700 currency. If I use it to purchase voice lines and taunts then I will merely find that that leads to more duplicates, putting me no closer to unlocking the rarer content like skins and taunts.
truestatic
Member
Yes, sorry. That's what I was saying, if I was unclear.
I unlocked one for Roadhog called "Hahahahaha" and it's literally him laughing lol
Coffee Dog
Banned
you had to actually accomplish a task and get rewarded for that.
instead of, you know, grinding out overcash/spending real dollars.
Yeh I miss the days of buying a game and having everything unlocked from the get go. Wait that never happened. Games have always had rewards for finishing games and hidden unlockables.
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
It's the best implementation of micro transactions that we could have hoped for, everything is cosmetic and available to everyone. I'm glad they added the boxes, if they're making a ton of money they'll be more likely to keep offering free content.
partyphone
Banned
i agree overwatch should be free and we should be able to mod in anything we want i'm writing a letter to my congresswoman right now about this egregiously anticonsumer video game.
You're the only person to actively quote individual posts you don't agree with because it's "toxic". Again, if they are actually a problem, the mods don't need your help figuring out who.
Anyone who spends at least 5 seconds to read the title of "Overwatch is the new low in MTAs" in relation to unlocking optional non gameplay affecting voice lines, as if that's apparently lower than some of the most heinous P2W shit we've had to deal with, will see there's not much discussion there. The very premise of the thread is wrong.
It's got the exact kind of responses it deserved.
Also "No U" is like the most baby response I've ever seen in my life. Get off your high horse and grow up.
Like I don't even disagree with the idea that locking voice lines behind a grind is sort of dumb, I just disagree that it's apparently on the same scale of heinousness that we would put your typical F2P mobile game. And since the OP seems to want to double down on that sentiment, those initial "OP you're crazy" posts are very much justified.
Let's not discount the fact that the OP has no intention of actually playing this game, or that he's already been hostile to the idea it's been getting good reviews.
TheLetdown
Member
Nah, you were clear. I was just quoting you because I wasn't 100% sure and you confirmed it.
OP's chief complaint is a literal non-issue, since you can preview and hear the voice lines in the same exact menu where you would listen to the unlocked voice lines. Nothing's locked behind anything in that regard.
And this would be known for people who genuinely cared about this kind of things and actually fired up the game.
Sad that you equate playing the game with grinding, why do it if you're not having fun?
Completely invalidates this entire argument.
Edit: but I guess this thread has moved beyond that.
Coffee Dog
Banned
But overwatch doesnt reward you for accomplishing hidden tasks or comepleting anything. you just grind that microtransaction money like a phone game.
If you have fun with that, power to you. That's why its in the game, people eat that shit up. But lets call it what it is.
It's one line you can say on command without any context, if you actually played the game you would know the majority of in-game characterization is banter between team members. Reinhardt's exchanges with Lucio about Hasselhoff gives you far more characterization than any of Reinhardt's voice lines combined, and that is just one exchange.
And before you ask, no, these aren't locked behind loot boxes.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
There is zero difference in playing a bunch of multiplayer matches and playing classic mode over and over again to unlock characters in Melee. Both are making you play a mode over and over again, even if you dont want to, just to unlock something.
What the fudge am I reading... plz op. Stop posting. "I don't need to play a game for me to say if it's good" "I don't need to play a game based in unique characters to know them and say that I don't like them"
Leafhopper
Banned
I find voice lines fun.
Also this thread is hilarious.
Also this thread is hilarious.
Coffee Dog
Banned
No there isn't, that's why smash is good enough to have alternate unlock criteria for its content besides grinding out matches.
Play X amount of matches or collect X amount of grind currency isn't very fun unlock criteria.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Some unlocks are exclusive to achievements, they won't be dropped from boxes.
Interfectum
Member
Overwatch rewards you for playing good and winning. There are also trophies (which come with unlocks) for people who want to try challenges. Loot boxes just get dropped as you play.
Moff
Member
that on the other hand is very true. I am absolutely certain these kind of random boxes are what keeps SWTOR alive, you can trade them there, though, but only buy with real money. blizzard will make a ton of money with those.
I'm not 100% sure but I'm relatively sure that each task that is connected to an achivement/trophy also presents you with a reward.
http://overwatch.metabomb.net/gamep...ent-and-trophy-guide-pc-xbox-oneplaystation-4
Overwatch must have been super successful for it to bring out such a loud vocal minority who complain about the most mundane things. It's like every day there is a thread say it why the game shouldn't be labeled as good as it is.
These micro transactions are amazing. They allow users to speed up the unlocking of cosmetic content while also giving us future updates for free. It's literally the best way to do this sort of thing.
These micro transactions are amazing. They allow users to speed up the unlocking of cosmetic content while also giving us future updates for free. It's literally the best way to do this sort of thing.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
This is not dialogue. It has no relevance beyond taunting other players/annoying your own team. It's 2 second spam lines. That's it.
TheLetdown
Member
It's been stated multiple times that you can listen to every single line you can unlock without actually unlocking them. In the game. In the menu where you equip the ones you unlock.
But "fanboys" it is, I guess.