Pacific Rim Spoiler Thread: Today, We Are Cancelling the Use of Spoiler Tags!
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RyougaSaotome
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It opened here in Japan yesterday and I finally went to go see it today.
Fuck, that was everything I wanted and more.
Fuck, that was everything I wanted and more.
That's pretty much how movie novelizations work.
Terrible Majesty
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Thanks for the novel spoilers. I wish the crimson typhoon and striker beating up otachi were included in the movie. And the lovecraftian and evil aliens parts. It would make the movie even deeper and give some dignity to crimson typhoon at least.
You get to see its fighting style in the Pacific Rim: The Game at least.
Having watched the gameplay of the other Jaegers in the Pacific Rim The Game, Crimson Typhoon certainly has the moves to meet the hype it got in the movie!
Im certain that if they included Crimson Typhoon's "Axe Kick" and "Spinning Double Backfist" in the movie like how you see it in the game...CT would most likely would be the fan favourite over Cherno Alpha.
Phat Michael
Banned
Anyone know if they are going to have any proper high end hot toys figures or dicast metal jaegers?
Thanks!
I think most changes are acceptable, but the last points worries me, I mean , not that they cannot work them out for the sequel, but if Raleigh saw Kaiju too big that made the Jaegers look like toys, how are they supposed to defeat them. And what do the precursors want? I would totally shit my pants if I were Newt/Hermann and a precursor talked to me.
I don't know which one is sadder if the movie or the novelization version of Crimson and Cherno destruction.
I mean in the novelization it's like the Wei triplets can do nothing but wait for their death, and in the movie you see how the claw of Otachi grabs them as it destroys the conn-pod.
I'm pretty sure both Cherno and Crimson could win, but because you can't have so many characters in a movie, they were killed. Crimson had the third arm, and I'm sure that they could have used it to block Otachi's tail, the first hit they received was by the tail, of course they knew it had one. And Cherno (fuck you sneaky Leatherback) didn't use its incinerator turbines; while it was attacked by both Kaiju, the turbines would buy them enough time for Striker to arrive, hell, if Crimson blocked the tail, it would have been a different battle, maybe they could (well no, they couldn't
) have killed Otachi and then Cherno could Tesla Punch the shit out of Leatherback. ARGH!Sorry, that part of the movie was just too sad, specially cause the Wei triplets and the Kaidonovsky's were awesome pilots.
I watched this movie 8 times already, there is something I just love about it besides the battles, Jaegers and Kaiju, maybe cause I identify with one character, not exactly their situation, but I can parallel it to something in my life right now.
These were posted earlier:
You can always get these:
Isn't that Eureka's pilot?
Took some clearer shots of the figures tonight. Absolutely gorgeous.
Phat Michael
Banned
I just saw the robot 20" on bigbadtoystore for pre order... $400 and only in may 2014!
I'd wear the Romeo Blue sneakers if they would ever release those.
I've watched it 8 times so far and I still get goosebumps when the suit-up/activation sequence happens. I can get why someone would hate on it, but most of the criticisms they have are about things I like. I'm so incredibly glad this film got made and I secretly hope for a sequel.
I've watched it 8 times so far and I still get goosebumps when the suit-up/activation sequence happens. I can get why someone would hate on it, but most of the criticisms they have are about things I like. I'm so incredibly glad this film got made and I secretly hope for a sequel.
Terrible Majesty
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I think it really says something about Del Toro and the Pacific Rim universe when I perceive the majority of us were rooting for two Jaegers that were not the main characters.
The fact that the kaiju that killed the Jaeger pilots are loved/hated for simply being the bad guys.
A sequel could improve on the original if they do what they did in PR except this time don't kill them off prematurely. Or at least let them die a gloriously heroic, blazing shooting star into the sun sacrifice for the greater good death.
The fact that the kaiju that killed the Jaeger pilots are loved/hated for simply being the bad guys.
A sequel could improve on the original if they do what they did in PR except this time don't kill them off prematurely. Or at least let them die a gloriously heroic, blazing shooting star into the sun sacrifice for the greater good death.
then the major complain would be how they would die in a gloriously heroic, blazing shooting star into the sun sacrifice for the greater good death
AdventureRacing
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That sub plot didn't make any sense to me and felt a little bit like neos powers moving into the real world in the matrix reloaded. I understand it's a 2 way connection so the kaiju brain would get to see things from his mind as well but how was that transmitted back through the portal? They talk about some sort of connection but i never got the impression that there was some telepathic link between all of the kaijus let alone one capable of making it back through the portal.
Oblivion.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Just saw this in Korea. Last day playing. Theater was pretty full.
Fuck this movie was awesome.
Fuck this movie was awesome.
The number of Kaiju through the portal has nothing to do with Newt. The maths guy already predicted the double event before Newt even explained about drifting with the Kaiju. Two Kaiju were always going to appear no matter what.
A telepathic link of some sort is the only way to explain how the Kaiju were evolving and defeating the Jaegers. No Kaiju ever made it back to the portal to report on the strategies of the Jaegers before dying, so they were communicating with the hive-mind remotely and most likely real time.
In the novelization Newt also wonders how/why the Kaiju were after him but he realizes with the knowledge he gained from the Precursors and their plans - that every Kaiju were burned with his identity in their mind as well.
Newt actually witnesses the birth of Otachi (sprouting its wings and taking flight), through the drift and recognizes its form as it rampages through Hong Kong.
I haven't seen the movie, but from what I'm getting - people it's not an Independence Day ending...it's a Nuclear Warhead ending.
Currently, Nuclear Warheads are mankind's most destructive weapon. So when a film wants to put a stop to an advanced antagonistic force....for the audience to appreciate the scale of the destructive power humanity is willing to commit to...the logical choice is the use of a Nuclear Warhead. If Independence Day had originally invented the weapon that is the Nuclear Bomb in its story, then yes I would say Pacific Rim was ripping off ID4....so are nukes now supposed to be off limits for use in any movie afterwards...? lol
sixteen-bit
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The novel differences are super interesting. Thanks.
Rentahamster
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I found it a little odd that the only people in the world who give a damn about kaiju research are those two comic relief characters, without any assistants or funding, and the rest of the world decides to not give a shit and just leave the carcasses to the black market.
More novel stuff:
- Drifting seems to have a lingering/permanent effect between the pilots and between the pilots and Jaeger. After the first failed drift, Raleigh and Mako seemed to vaguely know what the other was feeling or about to do/say. It's stated that the Wei triplets themselves may sometimes forget who's who, talking as if they're one person expressing a continuous thought while constantly passing around a basketball in impressive, flawless patterns. Tech crews share (seemingly true) urban myths about Jaegers moving and twitching when they're off - maybe in response or mimicry to their Rangers.
- The kaiju and their masters are all telepathically linked. Every second of battle, even their manner of death, is a constant learning experience that leads to an improved monster coming through the breach the next time. Kaiju DNA serves as memory that contains all of the aliens' shared knowledge. This is my own theory but it seems to make sense: the kaiju are only gradually becoming larger because of the limited size of the breach and the immense amounts of energy required to keep it open briefly. It's slowly charging up until the gigantic kaijus (the exterminators) can come through.
- Newt's first drift with the piece of kaiju brain does two things:
1. out of all the Pacific coastal city's in the world, it leads Otachi and Leatherback to Hong Kong to investigate. Attacking near the only remaining Shatterdome was not a coincidence.
2. the attack comes somewhat sooner than expected. Newt's drift created a lasting two-way connection and they were actually looking for him to figure out who the hell he was and how/why he reached out to them. When it's near, Newt sees and senses as if he's Otachi (he even sees himself from Otachi's POV). Hannibal Chau calls Newt an idiot for what he did but makes no mention of also having kaiju-drifted.
- Regarding Chau, his hidden kaiju lab isn't big and impressive like in the movie - it's a dingy backroom hardly bigger than the half of the lab Newt shares with Hermann. He's still very rich and powerful as a crime lord who once dealt with illegal animal parts trade now exclusively controls a large chunk of the world's procurement of kaiju parts (backdoor gov't and military deals). He's directly funding Stacker's "Jaeger resistance." The end of Jaegers would wipe out his business, so I'm surprised he didn't turn to private groups to build robots and weapons to continue killing kaiju.
- Mako comes from a family of sword makers from a small village. She and her parents were visiting Tokyo for her father's cancer treatment. She designed and implemented Gypsy's Chain Sword.
- Herc had limited time to choose between finding his wife or his son during one of the first kaiju attacks and follow an evacuation warning for an impending nuclear strike. He picked Charlie, hoping his wife would make it out okay. She dies and it's implied the nuke killed her, not the kaiju. Charlie resents his father's decision and grows up to be an asshole with daddy issues.
- The Kaidanovskys listen to loud "Ukrainian hard house" music, including when they're operating their Cherno Alpha. While the Weis are described as being graceful and fluid while drifting, these two are described as having no finesse; all muscle and brute force.
- Drifting seems to have a lingering/permanent effect between the pilots and between the pilots and Jaeger. After the first failed drift, Raleigh and Mako seemed to vaguely know what the other was feeling or about to do/say. It's stated that the Wei triplets themselves may sometimes forget who's who, talking as if they're one person expressing a continuous thought while constantly passing around a basketball in impressive, flawless patterns. Tech crews share (seemingly true) urban myths about Jaegers moving and twitching when they're off - maybe in response or mimicry to their Rangers.
- The kaiju and their masters are all telepathically linked. Every second of battle, even their manner of death, is a constant learning experience that leads to an improved monster coming through the breach the next time. Kaiju DNA serves as memory that contains all of the aliens' shared knowledge. This is my own theory but it seems to make sense: the kaiju are only gradually becoming larger because of the limited size of the breach and the immense amounts of energy required to keep it open briefly. It's slowly charging up until the gigantic kaijus (the exterminators) can come through.
- Newt's first drift with the piece of kaiju brain does two things:
1. out of all the Pacific coastal city's in the world, it leads Otachi and Leatherback to Hong Kong to investigate. Attacking near the only remaining Shatterdome was not a coincidence.
2. the attack comes somewhat sooner than expected. Newt's drift created a lasting two-way connection and they were actually looking for him to figure out who the hell he was and how/why he reached out to them. When it's near, Newt sees and senses as if he's Otachi (he even sees himself from Otachi's POV). Hannibal Chau calls Newt an idiot for what he did but makes no mention of also having kaiju-drifted.
- Regarding Chau, his hidden kaiju lab isn't big and impressive like in the movie - it's a dingy backroom hardly bigger than the half of the lab Newt shares with Hermann. He's still very rich and powerful as a crime lord who once dealt with illegal animal parts trade now exclusively controls a large chunk of the world's procurement of kaiju parts (backdoor gov't and military deals). He's directly funding Stacker's "Jaeger resistance." The end of Jaegers would wipe out his business, so I'm surprised he didn't turn to private groups to build robots and weapons to continue killing kaiju.
- Mako comes from a family of sword makers from a small village. She and her parents were visiting Tokyo for her father's cancer treatment. She designed and implemented Gypsy's Chain Sword.
- Herc had limited time to choose between finding his wife or his son during one of the first kaiju attacks and follow an evacuation warning for an impending nuclear strike. He picked Charlie, hoping his wife would make it out okay. She dies and it's implied the nuke killed her, not the kaiju. Charlie resents his father's decision and grows up to be an asshole with daddy issues.
- The Kaidanovskys listen to loud "Ukrainian hard house" music, including when they're operating their Cherno Alpha. While the Weis are described as being graceful and fluid while drifting, these two are described as having no finesse; all muscle and brute force.
???
For me independence day ending means "they hack alien computers using earth computers without any thought put into how they interface". Example, SPOILERS 3001 Final Odissey by Arthur Clarke.
Sending a nuclear bomb inside the enemy base/mothership for me is a Babylon 5 strategy, more precisely, a John Sheridan move.
Or even more broadly, Star Wars ending.
Terrible Majesty
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The only thing independence day like about the ending is the funny face the alien makes when it sees gypsy
sixteen-bit
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lol so much quizical shit in this movie
Awesome digital effects behind the scenes.
Pacific Rim 'Before & Afters'
Also, Tacit Ronin why you so cool..!?
Pacific Rim 'Before & Afters'
Also, Tacit Ronin why you so cool..!?
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Deleted member 10571
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Just watching the movie. I think we found our main actor for an eventual Mirrors Edge Movie.
Loving the music tracks.
Loving the music tracks.
TheVampire
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I finally saw this today and LOVED it!
However there were a few little things that had me asking myself questions.
Things like how come when the Jaegers are fighting the Kaiju's they dont have attack helicopters and fighter jets flying around so that they can lay down covering fire if the Jaegers need to back off and regroup?
Like at the end where those two Jaegers get destroyed they could of have jets laying down heaps of missles as covering fire or something.
However there were a few little things that had me asking myself questions.
Things like how come when the Jaegers are fighting the Kaiju's they dont have attack helicopters and fighter jets flying around so that they can lay down covering fire if the Jaegers need to back off and regroup?
Like at the end where those two Jaegers get destroyed they could of have jets laying down heaps of missles as covering fire or something.
AdventureRacing
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Perhaps it would be wise to, you know, watch the movie instead of just assuming you know what you're talking about. The similarities between oblivions ending are much more than just the use of a nuclear warhead.
They have to fly one of the alien vessels into space and into the mothership. The sequece where they enter the mothership through a small hole looks just like in independence day. They are then escorted by 2 alien ships towards the alien controlling the ship exactly like independence day. Just the entire sequence feels exactly like independence day. That's not the only source it felt like oblivion borrowed very heavily from either.
Just for the record i don't think the pacific rim ending was like independence day at all. It was poor for other reasons.
TheChewyWaffles
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This is the spoiler thread. No need for spoiler tags.
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A really cool idea, with really great effects but I really could have done without the romance angle.
sixteen-bit
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Depending on the anime, robots might not have guns at all.
My comment had nothing to do with Oblivion. I didn't compare Oblivion with ID4...since as I said I didnt watch it...got it?
I was highlighting the flaws of comparing ID4 ending as a similarity with Pacific Rim which was commonly posted beforehand in this thread. Posters afterwards seemed to be in agreement in that regard.
TheVampire
Banned
I had some more thoughts on this movie after watching it again:
1. Why don't they mass produce the Aussie Striker Eureka Jaeger since it's really damn good and strong.
2. They should equip that plasma cannon thing the Gipsy Danger‎ has on other Jaegers since its really effective.
3. They should make use or swords and shields with Jaegers. That sword the Gipsy Danger‎ had was really effective.
4. Surely that stupid wall would get scrapped now seeing as how we saw a Category 5 Kaiju and especailly that one which could FLY. The flying one surely makes the wall obsolete now.
5. Why don't they have attack choppers and jets assiting the Jaegers? In that big battle scene towards the end they could have been laying down covering fire with missiles. I know they wouldnt really do much damange but at least to distract or soften the Kaiju up a little.
6. Would the knowledge the two scientists learnt of the aliens be made public? Epsecially to those idiots who stopped funding the Jaeger program.
6. Maybe I missed it but in the past years since it was allways just still 1 Kaiju at a time did they deploy multiple Jaeger's to fight them or just 1vs1?
7. With the breach sealed I hope the world doesn't think 'Oh its all over now!'
They should use this time to make more Jaegers and better defences because surely the aliens can create a new breach?
1. Why don't they mass produce the Aussie Striker Eureka Jaeger since it's really damn good and strong.
2. They should equip that plasma cannon thing the Gipsy Danger‎ has on other Jaegers since its really effective.
3. They should make use or swords and shields with Jaegers. That sword the Gipsy Danger‎ had was really effective.
4. Surely that stupid wall would get scrapped now seeing as how we saw a Category 5 Kaiju and especailly that one which could FLY. The flying one surely makes the wall obsolete now.
5. Why don't they have attack choppers and jets assiting the Jaegers? In that big battle scene towards the end they could have been laying down covering fire with missiles. I know they wouldnt really do much damange but at least to distract or soften the Kaiju up a little.
6. Would the knowledge the two scientists learnt of the aliens be made public? Epsecially to those idiots who stopped funding the Jaeger program.
6. Maybe I missed it but in the past years since it was allways just still 1 Kaiju at a time did they deploy multiple Jaeger's to fight them or just 1vs1?
7. With the breach sealed I hope the world doesn't think 'Oh its all over now!'
They should use this time to make more Jaegers and better defences because surely the aliens can create a new breach?
One of them already cost the Australian division of the PPDC $100 Billion Dollars.
Coyote Tango and Crimson Typhoon also had their own versions. Different R&D divisions were creating Jaegers simultaneously so it depended on their designers. By the time Jaegers started loosing badly, they had already stopped building new Jaegers. The loosing streak actually started with Gipsy Danger's defeat who had plasma canons so...
Gipsy Danger only got his swords within the last six months before his re-activation. Tacit Ronin also had sword weapons and was one of the earliest jaegers. Perhaps it's not just weapon style...but the quality and refinement that makes the differences.
Hopefully.
They wouldnt soften them up to any point that mattered. Also jaegers and their continual maintenance was taking majority of the world's military budget. Spending money on putting jets/choppers in the sky for offensive purposes, with Jaegers still doing the meaningful fighting and killing of kaiju would be like throwing money away. They would have saved that to simply repair jaegers afterwards.
Probably not. Public Relations would be all about broadcasting on a need to know basis and keeping civilian morale up.
Multiple near the same region. Sometimes the Kaiju would slip by one of them, or beat one up (maybe to death), and other nearby jaegers would pick up the slack and eventually drop the Kaiju.
Hopefully. Otherwise we wouldnt have a sequel either.
Patlabor (movie 1, 2 and 3).
What the hell, there is no romance angle at all in the movie. Del Toro made a point of it.
AdventureRacing
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How was i supposed to know that? You responded to my post and cropped the quote to only say oblivion and then you said you hadn't seen and went on to comment anyway. If you weren't talking about oblivion than i have no idea why you responded to me in the first place.
If a person was following the thread for a while, they would have known that it was not the first time that ID4 was mentioned to similarities between the ending. The comments always revolved around nukes...it's another ID4 ending, its another Nuke ending etc. etc.
I quoted you because you answered my question. I replied saying I haven't seen Oblivion - that was my disclaimer pointing out what I was about to say obviously didnt include Oblivion - why? Again because I didn't see it...
The rest of the comment was for all the posters in the thread in general not directly at you. Think about it, did I mention Oblivion again in the post? All I was talking about was Independence Day, Nukes and why they are used constantly throughout films.
Nothing about Oblivion and it's similarities between Independence Day was stated.
I would have loved an Evangelion-like scene where the entire military attacks the beast and nothing happens.
Movie was alright to good. Liked the action scenes but didn't care for the characters and the middle part of the movie was a little boring. Story didn't need to be deep they just needed to make more compelling characters for us to care for, instead we got pretty dry stock characters. Still a worth watch.
Terrible Majesty
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i hope they do this for Godzilla. PR 2 has so much potential under Del Toros direction. Or Zack Snyder, just make sure GDT is doing the story. and that Beacham guy.
I hope they read up on some highschool science and engineering materials before they start scripting the sequel. Some of the lines these supposed geniuses were spewing were beyond lolscience and just retarded. lol
Hey, still liked the movie though.
If something isn't actually possible, then you have to make stuff up.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
Guys.... Guys
What if Judge Dredd and rookie Anderson drifted to drive the jaeger "the Law"
I don't know if we have a screen big enough.
What if Judge Dredd and rookie Anderson drifted to drive the jaeger "the Law"
I don't know if we have a screen big enough.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Day one.
Making stuff up is fine, just make educated guesses about it with some creative licensing to fill in the gaps.
Praising an upgraded Gipsy Danger for having "a solid Iron hull with NO ALLOYS"...? That's just dumb and lazy. Open up a highschool text book if basic science will be mentioned in your script.
NotMyRealName
Banned
Did anyone else find the main character to be painfully boring? I almost gave up on this film because of him.
One part I didn't like is when the chopper comes to get him at the wall construction.
He just walks over to it assuming its for him.
Made him seem like a douche to me.
Also, I don't remember but did he ever display any anger in any scene?
NotMyRealName
Banned
You know.... I don't... I don't think he did. Jesus, I can barely remember his face at this point.
Man of Steel pretty much did it too, besides the scene where a character learns the alien plan through a psychic link (like the President in ID and the scientist in PR).
Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum fly an old, crashed alien ship into the mothership to blow it up, dropping the shield on a giant alien ship that uses a powerful energy beam to blow up cities. With the shield down, Randy Quaid flies his plane up the center of the energy weapon and sacrifices himself to blow it up. Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum miraculously escape the massive explosion of the mothership.
Superman flies up the center of a giant alien ship with a city smashing energy weapon, blowing it up and dropping the shield protecting the alien mothership. With the shield down, Det. Stabler and a scientist guy fly an old, crashed alien spaceship into the mothership, sacrificing their lives to destroy it. Superman and Lois Lane miraculously escape the black hole created by the collision.
Not exactly the same, more like a remix. Getting kinda tired of it.
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