-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Path of Exile |OT| Loot 3.0
- Thread starter BurnOutBrighter
- Start date
Dunno, but you should use poetempest.com to monitor what's where, if you aren't already.
glaringradio
Member
Any chance I could get a guild invite. Started back playing this properly and have gotten well and truly sucked in. In-game name is CinnamonGuns
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
toastyToast
Member
I've been map capable for a few days now and I've been checking poe tempest. Haven't seen corrupting come up once. Did they tone them down or am I just unlucky?
I saw one yesterday, forget which map. It was a 77. Probably just unlucky.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Act III is probably my favorite act overall but jeez I hate the beginning of it. Specifically the statue busts quest. Also in general Sarn's sandy locale always felt bland and dead to me. I'm back in cruel now with my remade Ice Crash Marauder but I man I hate doing those early quests.
I love the Lunaris and Sonaris temples and everything else about Act III.
I love the Lunaris and Sonaris temples and everything else about Act III.
If anyone wants to craft a +3 bow or +3 fire staff, hurry up before this gets nerfed or altered.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexil...s_is_how_we_managed_to_accumulate_72_mirrors/
I made two 6L +3 bows, and was going for a staff but messed up on the steps (and am now broke).
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexil...s_is_how_we_managed_to_accumulate_72_mirrors/
I made two 6L +3 bows, and was going for a staff but messed up on the steps (and am now broke).
That is warbands economy for ya. I just ignore that league altogether, pointless imho, even Standard has a much healthier economy at this point
Our chaos:exalt ratio has in fact been going down lately.That is warbands economy for ya. I just ignore that league altogether, pointless imho, even Standard has a much healthier economy at this point
Can't wait till the league merge so the temp leaguers fuck up the rates once again. This is the biggest discrepancy we've had between league rates ever I think.
Upcoming patch.
"We expect deployment to occur at 2:10pm Thursday NZT"
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1399207
"We expect deployment to occur at 2:10pm Thursday NZT"
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1399207
Gaming Truth
Member
Ctrl-F, no Flame Totem changes that matter to me. All good
Seriously though, the list of bug fixes is disturbing. Tormented ghosts not being chased away by minions is seriously months old.
Seriously though, the list of bug fixes is disturbing. Tormented ghosts not being chased away by minions is seriously months old.
Hellshingu
Member
It was crazy before this was revealed but I think it may have had something to do with it. The +3 method is going to screw over the economy even more now that most are are going to try and sell their exalts to people who want to craft this themselves. The guys who revealed this tried buying up all the 6l bows and staffs right before they revealed this to generate more revenue for them. These guys are smart. I think its safe that we can say goodbye to PA in the next patch as well as this method. GGG are going to nerf everything into the ground after this.
Rip city in high level maps. If they ever drop on lower level maps then awesome, but I highly doubt it. The tempest rates for the better tempests should be increased. They don't happen frequently enough.
Yea some seriously horrendous bugs still out in the wild.
I'm more hoping the nerf changes the crafting cost of the mods from exalts to chaos. I've just got my PA/mf ranger up to maps
We got a huge shitstorm brewin when it comes to the OH-SO-HOLY-UNTOUCHABLE-HARDCORE-GRINDER-RICHES, folks
Related thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3hp9qz/voc_tells_the_rest_of_the_story_on_those_72/
Spreading misinformation? Check
Abusing a not-known trick that is too expensive for anyone to even think about trying? Check
GG Mod in the guild? Check
Suprised lead dev (Chris) asking how this is not obvious? Check
A few dozen people in-the-know driving up the price of exalteds thanks to this? Check
So amazing. Oh, by amazing, i mean nauseating and horrible, but yeah.
Related thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3hp9qz/voc_tells_the_rest_of_the_story_on_those_72/
Spreading misinformation? Check
Abusing a not-known trick that is too expensive for anyone to even think about trying? Check
GG Mod in the guild? Check
Suprised lead dev (Chris) asking how this is not obvious? Check
A few dozen people in-the-know driving up the price of exalteds thanks to this? Check
So amazing. Oh, by amazing, i mean nauseating and horrible, but yeah.
We got a huge shitstorm brewin when it comes to the OH-SO-HOLY-UNTOUCHABLE-HARDCORE-GRINDER-RICHES, folks
Related thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3hp9qz/voc_tells_the_rest_of_the_story_on_those_72/
Spreading misinformation? Check
Abusing a not-known trick that is too expensive for anyone to even think about trying? Check
GG Mod in the guild? Check
Suprised lead dev (Chris) asking how this is not obvious? Check
A few dozen people in-the-know driving up the price of exalteds thanks to this? Check
So amazing. Oh, by amazing, i mean nauseating and horrible, but yeah.
Oh wow, there's a disappeared reply by qarl in a reddit thread 6 months earlier asking about the possibilities of some of these interactions. GGG definitely has to clear up if this was a hidden functionality change or if it worked all along, and what the GGG employee in that guild told his guildmates.
If it was a unmentioned functionality change between masters metamods and scouring orbs, time to riot against GGG. They changed a very important interaction in the game, while making it cheaper, without telling the public! And very suspicious that people in a guild with GGG knew how to take advantage of it. A well-deserved shitstorm in this case.
If it wasn't, then Ventor lied to everyone six months ago and we believed him, while not testing things out for ourselves. (Most of us were not going to spend multiple eternal orbs to test for ourselves).
e: There's people like skyforth and flubbi saying that scouring/master metamods did NOT worth that way before 2.0. More evidence that GGG changed functionality without a single peep in patch notes. I'm actually a little upset now, over a video game.
Problem is: apparently, that deleted reply was because he DID say that those interactions worked - and by that time, they did not!
All this is thanks to a crafting functionality change that went undocumented in the patch notes of 2.0
So we have a thin grey line of "no one knew" and "it was not direct", but at the end of the day, there were information out there that "you should not waste scouring on that, it does not work", that was indeed correct by that time, and a change that actually directly contradicted that, without GGG telling anyone. (Anyone but the select few in that group of people, obviously).
All this is thanks to a crafting functionality change that went undocumented in the patch notes of 2.0
So we have a thin grey line of "no one knew" and "it was not direct", but at the end of the day, there were information out there that "you should not waste scouring on that, it does not work", that was indeed correct by that time, and a change that actually directly contradicted that, without GGG telling anyone. (Anyone but the select few in that group of people, obviously).
Yep, it looks more and more like GGG did something absolutely unfair to the player base.
Made an UNDOCUMENTED change to master metamod interaction with orbs, such as scouring orbs. Didn't mention in patch notes or anything. BUT, people in guild with a GGG employee SOMEHOW found out about it and took advantage of it. (The very, very thin line here is that the guild members somehow figured out on their own and the GGG employee in the guild did not provide any information. But given that it seems only these guildmembers are taking the biggest advantage of this HIDDEN SECRET UNDOCUMENTED CHANGE...)
Even if the GGG employee didn't tell his guildmates about the change, it's already sketchy that the change went unmentioned in patch notes - considering how GGG has treated patch notes so far, we have the expectations that any game-changing adjustments are mentioned so all players know about them.
Super duper unfair. Could be argued to be as unfair as MMO GM's giving free super items or money to certain players over others, since this information was as good as free wealth.
e: Fuck, it seems like there's another new undocumented change to crafting in the new 2.0.2b patch.
Someone trying to take advantage of the new information did this. However, notice you get a MAGIC item when it's semi-scoured into 1-affix item. However, before the patch, you could get 1-affix RARES. Absolutely no mention in the patch notes. (This change makes crafting +3 elemental gem staves much, much harder. I wonder if GGG did anything about +3 bows? A "small" change like changing +1 gems "paragon" into being considered an "attack" or "magic" mod could destroy the current "easier" method of crafting such bows.)
Made an UNDOCUMENTED change to master metamod interaction with orbs, such as scouring orbs. Didn't mention in patch notes or anything. BUT, people in guild with a GGG employee SOMEHOW found out about it and took advantage of it. (The very, very thin line here is that the guild members somehow figured out on their own and the GGG employee in the guild did not provide any information. But given that it seems only these guildmembers are taking the biggest advantage of this HIDDEN SECRET UNDOCUMENTED CHANGE...)
Even if the GGG employee didn't tell his guildmates about the change, it's already sketchy that the change went unmentioned in patch notes - considering how GGG has treated patch notes so far, we have the expectations that any game-changing adjustments are mentioned so all players know about them.
Super duper unfair. Could be argued to be as unfair as MMO GM's giving free super items or money to certain players over others, since this information was as good as free wealth.
e: Fuck, it seems like there's another new undocumented change to crafting in the new 2.0.2b patch.
Someone trying to take advantage of the new information did this. However, notice you get a MAGIC item when it's semi-scoured into 1-affix item. However, before the patch, you could get 1-affix RARES. Absolutely no mention in the patch notes. (This change makes crafting +3 elemental gem staves much, much harder. I wonder if GGG did anything about +3 bows? A "small" change like changing +1 gems "paragon" into being considered an "attack" or "magic" mod could destroy the current "easier" method of crafting such bows.)
The post being deleted, a GGG dev being on the guild, and some other things make this really really sketchy. I'm still waiting before I make a thread because I don't want to make a witch hunt thread, but if GGG comes out and says works as intended I'm going to go nuclear.
Hellshingu
Member
Here is the original post by Qarl before it was deleted. Clearly stating that Vent was spreading misinformation only to be deleted 10 mins later. Either way something fishy is up and information that is such a big change to crafting and game mechanics could not possibly be "forgotten" to be put in patch notes. This method wasn't working before 2.0 because eternals were still in the game.
The fact that the guys with the dev in their guild knew about all this stuff and more and completely gutted the economy while many top crafters and streamers, especially AXN, did not know about these massive changes screams insider information and market manipulation to me. For a game that puts such a huge focus on economy this is completely unacceptable no matter how you try and spin it.
Someone already went through the trouble on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3hqun1/an_extensive_recap_of_the_voc_knowledge_bomb/
There's also talk of these players being able to scan player inventories and a few other things.
Lots of sketchy things all around.
That is the absolute worst case here, because that makes the initial post deletion all the more shady.
Put the quote in an imgur link cause you never know. This is beyond fucked up. Qarl or GGG knowingly mislead the community by not correcting this information early on. Allowed the 1% to become even richer, and take advantage of the community. GGG decided to keep this a secret or Qarl helped hide it to help his buddy out. Either way this is beyond slimey.
The real difficult part is explaining the crafting mechanincs to the uninitiated. I think if we just go over the basics we should be ok.
Edit: And how this change completely destroys the economy.
I don't have time at this moment to work on this, but I would present the crafting mechanics by presenting probabilities. Say, the chances of getting a +3 staff with/without. Or the chance of rolling Tyrannical+Flaring with/without the revealed methods. But I'm not sure we need to get into such details. The main point is that PoE devs withheld important information, possibly even in a misleading way, a tiny group of players amassed most of the wealth in the game, and those tiny group of players happen to be in a guild with a GGG employee.
Check out this weak bullshit by Chris.
Chris Wilson said:
This is so fucking sad if this is the case. If this is the case GGG failed to properly communicate major changes to the game, and allowed a select few to ruin an entire economy. It does not explain away why Qarl deleted his comments. So I'm calling bullshit on Chris Wilson here. I want them to answer why Qarl deleted the quote if indeed he was correcting Ventor and that was the correct information. Shit smells like bs so that they don't throw a dev under the bus and lose community support.
By the way, as a side node, the OP of that reddit thread linkes a twitch portion of some streamer talking to a very knowledgable fellow who said some things that reminded me of something...
... All this talk about Poe.trade, procurement, acquity or whatever is this called, and some player having access to an ever faster item-querying solution: (the example used: would you wake up at 2am when your bot found someone posting a mirror sale who is obviously a newbie - no character >lv55 in his acc, to get an INSANELY good deal on it, because they do not know the value),...all this made me realize:
ALL THIS TIME, POE players in general chat shitting on Diablo 3's auction system were affected by a similar thing in this game as well. Talk about kettle and pot, lol. And GGG refuses to implement a proper Ah where people have equal footing and offline trade options. No, that would dumb down the game, right? Right?
... All this talk about Poe.trade, procurement, acquity or whatever is this called, and some player having access to an ever faster item-querying solution: (the example used: would you wake up at 2am when your bot found someone posting a mirror sale who is obviously a newbie - no character >lv55 in his acc, to get an INSANELY good deal on it, because they do not know the value),...all this made me realize:
ALL THIS TIME, POE players in general chat shitting on Diablo 3's auction system were affected by a similar thing in this game as well. Talk about kettle and pot, lol. And GGG refuses to implement a proper Ah where people have equal footing and offline trade options. No, that would dumb down the game, right? Right?
Boom. We have the final straw. We have clear evidence that one of the people involved have been given preferential treatment by GGG (in a different way).
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Xharlion
Look at the profile. "Joined June 7, 2015"
Look at the supporter packs:
Warrior Supporter - this could only be purchased before July 29th 2014.
Master Supporter - this could only be purchased before April 20th 2015.
(http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Supporter_pack)
How the fuck does this guy get supporter packs that aren't sold anymore from times before he even made his account?
"We have seen people use and publicly discuss them working in this way." <- I agree, this line is real bullshit.
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Xharlion
Look at the profile. "Joined June 7, 2015"
Look at the supporter packs:
Warrior Supporter - this could only be purchased before July 29th 2014.
Master Supporter - this could only be purchased before April 20th 2015.
(http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Supporter_pack)
How the fuck does this guy get supporter packs that aren't sold anymore from times before he even made his account?
"We have seen people use and publicly discuss them working in this way." <- I agree, this line is real bullshit.
There was a Reddit thread about a cheater who reached top 10 Tempest where someone said people whose accounts got banned got their supporter packs back when they made a stink about it to support. Might be the same reason here.
Anyway, if GGG does something about the crafting thing they'll only do so to safe face, because even if they don't, all of this is flushed down the toilet and next league everyone starts on even footing again. Unless people are sitting on more secret knowledge of course.
Hellshingu
Member
This is from a deleted thread from a few days ago. Pretty damning if true. Take from it what you will but there was someone on teamspeak with woods about how he gets insider info from the devs and using RMT sites. Supposedly it's GGG_Gary that is the one feeding woods and his guild the info and whatnot.
Hellshingu
Member
Woods complained to GGG that he was getting a bad rep on his main account and harassed or something and made a new account and they transferred everything over to it. Well that is the supposed story.
They wouldn't have revealed this unless they have more inside information and a back up plan for next league.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3hqryp/can_we_stop_the_witch_hunt_and_focus_on_fixing/
This guy has the right idea. Change the cost for those crafting mods to Chaos so not as many Exalts leave the economy.
This guy has the right idea. Change the cost for those crafting mods to Chaos so not as many Exalts leave the economy.
Okay, and now Chris released what I can only describe as the "stand your ground in being the devil's advocate" development "manifesto":
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1401804
Tell 'em, Chris. The economy is not even broken...
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1401804
Tell 'em, Chris. The economy is not even broken...
Yup and if GGG wants to not tell anyone about what you can do in the game then I have no more interest in playing. These crafting changes don't even really effect me, but it's the principle of the matter. It's a disgusting practice, and GGG should not be hiding major game mechanics as a way to reward the 1%.
Edit: Holy shit at that manifesto. Zynx that thread is going up tomorrow. I'm not going to stand for such bullshit.
There was a rumour that GGG devs started as D2 dupers. Hmmmmmmmmm~
This is from a deleted thread from a few days ago. Pretty damning if true. Take from it what you will but there was someone on teamspeak with woods about how he gets insider info from the devs and using RMT sites. Supposedly it's GGG_Gary that is the one feeding woods and his guild the info and whatnot.
Anyway, this site is hilarious:
http://d2legit.com/items/path-of-exile/tempest-league/poe-body-armour/
It's been a long long time since I have felt this angry at a gaming company. Just insane that they would ever do something like this. In a couple of hours when I have calmed down I'm going to start writing that GAF thread, and I'm going to use it as a spring board on ethics of game development. Believe me I'm going to fucking annihilate GGG in that thread.
I dunno, the 20% gem recipe wasn't widely known for years and people made bank on that too, yet nobody really cared.
I really have no issue with what he's saying here.
You sound more thank a little ridiculous right now, to be perfectly honest.
Hellshingu
Member
Okay, and now Chris released what I can only describe as the "stand your ground in being the devil's advocate" development "manifesto":
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1401804
Tell 'em, Chris. The economy is not even broken...
So they hid major game mechanics because they didn't want the community to find out and "affect the natural progression"? Funny how the people that "figured" this out are the ones that have a GGG dev in their guild.
And the economy is proper fucked right now in warbands. It is not going to get better and is only getting worse. It's not different for certain items which you changed rarity tiers for (for some stupid reason) it is that everything high end is priced in exalts and isn't adjusted in the economy to reflect price changes because no one has a sink for chaos. With exalts being in higher demand and consumed more regularly because of the information that has been revealed the drop rates need to increase to compensate for it or else we are stuck in the same position we are in now where the gap between the 1% and the regular players keeps widening and everything gets devalued except exalts and high end items.
When you enter the territory of making proftits in the dozen exalteds PER ITEM per hour, you enter a realm where NO ONE who plays the game has a chance to ever accumulate wealth even one hundred of a rate that this was profitable for them.
We can all argue about what this game's goal should be, but when the best item you find in the game is still relatively worthless when compared to these trading practice's profits, somthing is not right. There should be a middle ground.
xrayregime
Member
I think the main problem is that the evidence points to GGG in fact revealing the crafting info, but only to a select few.