Gaming Truth
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I'm not a summoner. I'm a Flame Totem witch that uses zombies to distract. I've left a pretty +2 minion helm in the Warbands guild stash
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Path of Exile |OT| Loot 3.0
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I'm not a summoner. I'm a Flame Totem witch that uses zombies to distract. I've left a pretty +2 minion helm in the Warbands guild stash
Hellshingu
Member
These leagues died out really fast because of the damn economy. My friends list maybe has 1 or 2 people on playing a league this last week compared to the 15+ it usually has lots of times there isnt even anyone one. I only really log on now to do daily missions for fusings. I can't believe that standard league is actually more profitable right now. They really need to look at game mechanics/balance and the economy ASAP.
RIP my RF Marauder. Third time I die to a strongbox. Guess I'm not reaching lvl 90 this league. I really liked this build, too. Tanky, great damage (unless it's a curse immune rare), fairly easy to play and even gear for. Only one mandatory, but cheap unique.
Oh well, at least I got to 75 maps... Time to take a break until the 1-month.
Oh well, at least I got to 75 maps... Time to take a break until the 1-month.
PhoenixDark
Banned
What type of box? I never open the ones that freeze you anymore. I shouldn't open rogue exile ones either but the temptation is always too great.
Yup, a freeze box. My pot setup was a little funky so I didn't have a anti-freeze pot with me. I had no issues with other freeze boxes. RF does damage regardless and I can soak a lot of damage, so I thought, hey, what could go wrong... Tons of elemental damage with chaos degen, as it turns out.
But that's how it goes. I either get bored of a character or I send them to standard through carelessness.
At least the character was essentially done. All that was left to get on the tree was the Scion life wheel and some jewel slots. Only significant improvements beyond that was Doryani's Catalyst and Kaom's Heart, which I had little hope of acquiring anyway, since I've never had the patience to grind for top tier uniques.
Already getting the itch again. Explosive Arrow maybe...
But that's how it goes. I either get bored of a character or I send them to standard through carelessness.
At least the character was essentially done. All that was left to get on the tree was the Scion life wheel and some jewel slots. Only significant improvements beyond that was Doryani's Catalyst and Kaom's Heart, which I had little hope of acquiring anyway, since I've never had the patience to grind for top tier uniques.
Already getting the itch again. Explosive Arrow maybe...
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Will Tempest and Warbands end next week and we'll be getting new Leagues or is that only races?
The latter. Tempest and Warbands will keep going for an as yet unspecified time.
They've come to their sense as far as droprates go:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1414202/page/1/#p11591925
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1414202/page/1/#p11591925
Hellshingu
Member
Yeah I just saw this today as I've been playing MGS5 lately. I am glad they realized that the drop rates were bad. I'll probably hop in now and finish off some characters since things in the economy should hopefully bounce back. The 4 times are many harder to find uniques it interesting. I've always wondered if they have a set amount of those items that drop per day per continent or whatever.
Edit: I feel like I've heard them say they are increased unique drop rates every couple patches but the game drops still feel the same to me.
Hellshingu
Member
Well decided to run a map and 19% goldwyrms dropped for me 
Gotta love that RNG.
Gotta love that RNG.PhoenixDark
Banned
Internet has been kinda iffy lately so I haven't risked playing POE. Definitely want to get back as soon as possible to try out the new drop rates. Personally my drop rates have been overall good this league, but I simply haven't found any good/great unique gear/weapons. Lots of nice rares have dropped for me, to the point I could probably get 3-4 different types of characters to merciless without much of a sweat.
If anyone here is playing from South America, the Brazil server went up today. It's not gonna be in the menu until the Brazilian client is released, so you'll have to manually type Brazil in the gateway box to connect to it.
I went down from 240 to 65 ping. It's an entirely different game.
I went down from 240 to 65 ping. It's an entirely different game.
So now You are able to test lockstep properly.
Meh, I wonder how much GGG has really learned after backpedalling from many of the player-unfriendly changes.
We had that shitty rarity tier change for useful leveling uniques and others, which was partially reversed later. Then a fourfold increase in super rare drops.
We had shitty map drops, which they "increased" multiple times by vague, tiny amounts - and now we have a vague, nonspecific boost again.
From what I can tell, warbands/tempest leagues died out faster than they had hoped, even with an entirely new Act - with the shitty map drops, shitty challenges, shitty special drops, the stupid unique tier adjustments, the secret crafting stuff involving people in same guild as a GGG employee along with the sketchy qarl post deletion, and the accompanying game economy effects. I know I stopped playing rather quickly. Supposedly Chris said in an earlier interview that he wanted leagues to last at least 4 months, now they're ending in 3.
Yet they're still focused on a small tiny subset of players "reaching level 100 too quickly". Hello? What about the rest of the players who don't play as religiously as they do?
At least they're pandering to the players with the one-month league, even getting "community input" and throwing together so many league mods at once. I wonder if it's a sign of desperation.
(And I really wonder when GGG will once again introduce something that makes low-life appealing again.)
We had that shitty rarity tier change for useful leveling uniques and others, which was partially reversed later. Then a fourfold increase in super rare drops.
We had shitty map drops, which they "increased" multiple times by vague, tiny amounts - and now we have a vague, nonspecific boost again.
From what I can tell, warbands/tempest leagues died out faster than they had hoped, even with an entirely new Act - with the shitty map drops, shitty challenges, shitty special drops, the stupid unique tier adjustments, the secret crafting stuff involving people in same guild as a GGG employee along with the sketchy qarl post deletion, and the accompanying game economy effects. I know I stopped playing rather quickly. Supposedly Chris said in an earlier interview that he wanted leagues to last at least 4 months, now they're ending in 3.
Yet they're still focused on a small tiny subset of players "reaching level 100 too quickly". Hello? What about the rest of the players who don't play as religiously as they do?
At least they're pandering to the players with the one-month league, even getting "community input" and throwing together so many league mods at once. I wonder if it's a sign of desperation.
(And I really wonder when GGG will once again introduce something that makes low-life appealing again.)
Gaming Truth
Member
Seriously. I was running the totally broken Flame Totem build and I dropped out at 82. I stalled. Apparently, it's too easy to get to 100. Yep, sure.
I was sick of trying for the warbands challenges, burned out before shifting to tempest. I dunno what it'll take for me to come back on
I would love for leveling walls to disappear as well, but it's the one thing they can't make significantly faster, or perhaps don't want to risk. People quit because they can't reach whatever goals they set themselves, but they might also quit when they do. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I'd say new content is the best solution to burn out, but even that's not enough for people who've played a couple temp leagues already. Decline is inevitable, really.
Hellshingu
Member
I haven't played this league in over 3 weeks myself. The new content, while nice, just wasn't properly balanced with the rest of the game and most of the changes hurt the 99% of player that aren't no lifers. I usually last in league for at least 2-3 months but this time I was done in a little over 3 weeks as prices were screwed without the economy properly adjusting. I'll hop on to see if there are any new patches that change things but that's it. The economy reached ridiculous levels I never saw before in only 2 weeks and just made things far more grindy than they should have been. I hope that GGG takes all the feedback and data they received and make some major changes for the next leagues.
The release of 2.0 was just the beta pushed to everyone without any good/balanced changes and properly tested IMO. The leagues should have launched mid-late August but I don't think GGG or investors thought it would be a good idea to delay Act 4 any further.
Just got to act 4, it's the last act of the game right?
I will say outside of the ridiculous patching process this game is a ton more fun than Torchlight 2. I like the skill tree stuff as well, but I'm not sure if the core gameplay is more fun for me than what I had with D3 last year on consoles.
I will say outside of the ridiculous patching process this game is a ton more fun than Torchlight 2. I like the skill tree stuff as well, but I'm not sure if the core gameplay is more fun for me than what I had with D3 last year on consoles.
Act 4 is currently the last one, yes. Then you do it all over in a higher difficulty (items get better as well), then you do it again a third time (or move to endgame/maps halfway through Act 3 at the earliest).
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Who's doing the 1-month here? I already killed a lvl 51 ranger. Died to a DD box, because I blink arrowed onto a bunch of corpses. orz
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Who's doing the 1-month here? I already killed a lvl 51 ranger. Died to a DD box, because I blink arrowed onto a bunch of corpses. orz
Not playing hardcore but my first death was in Daresso's Dream in normal. The map boss at the end of the first area alongside an invasion boss (one of the spiders with viper strike) and a warbands pack was insanity. No room to move and subsequent attempts meant teleporting right in the middle of them all.
Ended up just starting a new instance.
Ended up just starting a new instance.
I'm playing the 1-month, SC - a friend and I wanted to try for the golden set, and GGG hasn't bothered to nerf incinerate yet after the crazy post-shotgun buff. Having decent luck with the challenges, including getting divine shrine and warbands leader done already.
On the other hand, I finally got my first tier 5 (level 72) map after quite a few runs. Of all the maps that have dropped for me, perhaps three quarters are tier 1, crazy stuff.
On the other hand, I finally got my first tier 5 (level 72) map after quite a few runs. Of all the maps that have dropped for me, perhaps three quarters are tier 1, crazy stuff.
I'm going for the set as well. Lost two days due to my first characters death, but am making good progress now on my two-hand Sweep Templar. Geofri's Baptism honestly feels like you're cheating when you first get it. I got a cheap Marohi as well, which should get me well into maps, but I have a feeling I might never replace it, since the challenges aren't that tough.
Sweep looks pretty absurd with a lot of AoE. Hits almost the entire screen, with my character looking like Star Wars kid in the middle.
As for the league, the currents mods are pretty nuts. I had forgotten how crazy Beyond is.
Sweep looks pretty absurd with a lot of AoE. Hits almost the entire screen, with my character looking like Star Wars kid in the middle.
As for the league, the currents mods are pretty nuts. I had forgotten how crazy Beyond is.
I'm actually progressing through merciless right now (yeah, died again) and it's a bit crazy indeed. Someone on Reddit put it as 'everything feels like Beyond' and that's not far from the truth. At least everything that adds monsters is almost guaranteed to spawn Beyond packs. Progressing takes forever, but I've been overlevel since Cruel because I still clear thanks to twink damage.
I've got 19 out of 20, but leveling from 80 to 85 is going to be super boring with so many high hp mobs everywhere, and a shitty low tier map pool even though I've started to use alchs on every map I run.
I can't imagine what the game is like on HC though, I've got loads of deaths already playing total scrubcore style. Beyond everywhere is an apt description of the game now. And that doesn't include whatever additional mods piled on top at the time.
One thing I really miss from forgotten masters is theorycrafting and then playing strong builds that aren't immediately obvious to everyone - with all the nerfs to the interesting intersecting mechanics with 2.0 and the lopsided changes to spells, I end up playing the flavor of the month simply because the alternatives are either much more expensive, or much less effective.
I can't imagine what the game is like on HC though, I've got loads of deaths already playing total scrubcore style. Beyond everywhere is an apt description of the game now. And that doesn't include whatever additional mods piled on top at the time.
One thing I really miss from forgotten masters is theorycrafting and then playing strong builds that aren't immediately obvious to everyone - with all the nerfs to the interesting intersecting mechanics with 2.0 and the lopsided changes to spells, I end up playing the flavor of the month simply because the alternatives are either much more expensive, or much less effective.
Hellshingu
Member
How is everyone liking the one month? I am took a little break from the game and don't know if I want to jump in just yet.
Pyros_Eien
Member
I think the changes they've made to health nodes and stuff were completely pointless when they basically increased overall damage taken with the addition of act4(and to a lesser extent act3 part 2). They said they wanted people to take less health nodes so they had more room for other stuff, but realistically nowadays people just take as much as they did before, which severely limits viability of offensive skills since you can only take so many damage nodes without gimping yourself(until you reach critical mass with crazy items so you one shot everything on the screen all the time so your survability becomes less of a factor, specifically for SC).
I think they should probably give up with trying to balance health nodes and just remove all of them, rescale base health so you have the same base for everyone, and use defense nodes to balance tank stuff. This would let you replace skill point defenses by item defenses more efficiently and overall would probably reduce the amount of skill points spent on defense stuff. Might need a rescaling of the amount of skill points as a result though, or mob health whichever.
Having to design builds around the idea that you NEED 150+% health(200% for HC), or equivalent in ES obviously, is pretty bad and leads to fairly cookie cutter skill path choices. It means you only take some specific damage nodes because they're both efficient and on the way to health nodes. It gives some classes advantages due to health nodes accessability and such. It's especially bad with the health wheel in the middle, which is very much a must have for a HC char, so whatever build you're using, you need to make it path through that.
I think it'd be more interesting if you were trying to balance armor, end charge, evasion, acro, block, flask nodes, energy shield, mind over matter to get good defenses with your base health rather than try to scale your base health high enough that you can make use of the other defenses at all. Also evasion probably still need a buff. I'd consider a keystone that does like "Every time you evade, gain 1% damage mitigation buff, stacks up to 70times, removed whenever you take damage". Tweak numbers obviously, but the idea would be that when you do get hit eventually, you mitigate the damage a decent bit, as long as you've been evading stuff a lot before, which would help with evasion based builds.
I think they should probably give up with trying to balance health nodes and just remove all of them, rescale base health so you have the same base for everyone, and use defense nodes to balance tank stuff. This would let you replace skill point defenses by item defenses more efficiently and overall would probably reduce the amount of skill points spent on defense stuff. Might need a rescaling of the amount of skill points as a result though, or mob health whichever.
Having to design builds around the idea that you NEED 150+% health(200% for HC), or equivalent in ES obviously, is pretty bad and leads to fairly cookie cutter skill path choices. It means you only take some specific damage nodes because they're both efficient and on the way to health nodes. It gives some classes advantages due to health nodes accessability and such. It's especially bad with the health wheel in the middle, which is very much a must have for a HC char, so whatever build you're using, you need to make it path through that.
I think it'd be more interesting if you were trying to balance armor, end charge, evasion, acro, block, flask nodes, energy shield, mind over matter to get good defenses with your base health rather than try to scale your base health high enough that you can make use of the other defenses at all. Also evasion probably still need a buff. I'd consider a keystone that does like "Every time you evade, gain 1% damage mitigation buff, stacks up to 70times, removed whenever you take damage". Tweak numbers obviously, but the idea would be that when you do get hit eventually, you mitigate the damage a decent bit, as long as you've been evading stuff a lot before, which would help with evasion based builds.
Beyond really slows down the process to the point I've started a character in standard to play while the mod is up. Super high HP and ridiculous damage spikes means it's not really worth playing IMO. It's fun in maps when you want that challenge and extra exp and what not but during leveling it's just tiring.
Going to knock out the last few challenges in the days that beyond is down for that seraph set but that'll be it.
Hellshingu
Member
Yeah only reason I'd play is to get seraph set as I didn't get the last set they had before. I just might skip this one as well. Doesn't seem to be to fun. I'll probably just mess around in standard if I do ever hop on.
MrPing1000
Member
Made it to 85 in 1MHC, 19/20 haven't got the rampage one, forgot about it. Didn't play at the weekend with all mods, cause I'm a wuss.
Did a wonky slow clearspeed build, but used the default summoner keystone combo of EB, MoM, ZO, makes you very tanky, even with 4k hp. Only scary thing is chaos damage.
Summon skeletons with bloodlust gem + summoner spectres (knitted horrors) + animated guardian with jack, the axe and leer cast. Used Dying Breath coiled staff as my weapon. EE arc with vulnerability + temp chains.
It works but it's a bit clunky, summon skeles is so damn slow to cast + you need a ton of dex to run haste but I managed. Could use spell echo for skeles but I think having another damage gem is a little faster. spent 20c on a jewel with 5% staff cast speed, 7% max life, 7% minion res. One thing about summon skeles though, they absolutely eat bosses. I was able to kill all the beyond bosses with them (didn't spawn Abaxoth though heh). The spectres do pretty good damage + bleed all the time, they're a bitch to get though. Only in dried lake and you cannot use desecrate to get them. They can spawn in underground sea, thats the only map I've seen them in so far.
Did a wonky slow clearspeed build, but used the default summoner keystone combo of EB, MoM, ZO, makes you very tanky, even with 4k hp. Only scary thing is chaos damage.
Summon skeletons with bloodlust gem + summoner spectres (knitted horrors) + animated guardian with jack, the axe and leer cast. Used Dying Breath coiled staff as my weapon. EE arc with vulnerability + temp chains.
It works but it's a bit clunky, summon skeles is so damn slow to cast + you need a ton of dex to run haste but I managed. Could use spell echo for skeles but I think having another damage gem is a little faster. spent 20c on a jewel with 5% staff cast speed, 7% max life, 7% minion res. One thing about summon skeles though, they absolutely eat bosses. I was able to kill all the beyond bosses with them (didn't spawn Abaxoth though heh). The spectres do pretty good damage + bleed all the time, they're a bitch to get though. Only in dried lake and you cannot use desecrate to get them. They can spawn in underground sea, thats the only map I've seen them in so far.
I'm actually having a lot of fun with the 1 month right now, I just hit 80 so I haven't completed all of the challenges yet, I've got hitting 85 and the T8 onslaught one to go. With only a few days to go the tension of dying/losing 10% exp is great and gear is generally pretty cheap now so upgrades are pretty accessible.
Not looking forward to the last beyond rotation but I think I've geared up enough to take them on lower tier maps.
Not looking forward to the last beyond rotation but I think I've geared up enough to take them on lower tier maps.
If you're lucky Zana will open a Tier 8 map for you. I got that done very early into mapping because of her. Didn't even get to sustain Tier 6 maps because I didn't need to.
I got my 20/20 already. First (and last) time I do challenges. Forcing myself to play was not fun at all.
I got my 20/20 already. First (and last) time I do challenges. Forcing myself to play was not fun at all.
MrPing1000
Member
Yeah have to summon them, skeles move super slow, even with haste. They have a slow cast time too, could use spell echo but I tried to get cast speed where I could + dying breath has 18% on it.
Gaming Truth
Member
Yeah, I'm stopping at 15. Got lucky with the Divine shrine. Gonna play the ToS beta and maybe come back by winter. The changes to slow progress down has burnt me out a bit
Now and the beginning of the league is the only time I was really enjoying myself TBH. If levelling to 85 wasn't one of the challenges I'd be back in standard right now.
I respecced an old scion char to CoC and was having a lot of fun with that but I think after this 1 month ends I'll stop for a bit. Darkshrine does sound interesting but I'll wait for the next league, I'm not all that stoked on the current balance and meta.
80-85 was when the game got really boring for me, especially since I was stuck at tier 5-7 maps even though I alch'd all of them. (Screw wasting multiple chaos on a single map!)
The rest was okay, especially since I decided to challenge myself on how quickly I could rush through the game in a temp league, since I normally play standard. With how OP incinerate is now, along with a prioritization of damage over survival and some strategic partying, I got the challenges done in 45 hours of playtime and lots of deaths.
Definitely not interested in playing this game for a longer period of time now, with all the grindy changes.
The onslaught challenge was bugged or something the first time onslaught was active as a league mod - a lot of players were getting credit for it while killing bosses of lower maps, don't know if it's still the case now though.
The rest was okay, especially since I decided to challenge myself on how quickly I could rush through the game in a temp league, since I normally play standard. With how OP incinerate is now, along with a prioritization of damage over survival and some strategic partying, I got the challenges done in 45 hours of playtime and lots of deaths.
Definitely not interested in playing this game for a longer period of time now, with all the grindy changes.
The onslaught challenge was bugged or something the first time onslaught was active as a league mod - a lot of players were getting credit for it while killing bosses of lower maps, don't know if it's still the case now though.
Oh man, can't believe we actually got a shav's to drop. I was playing with a mate and we went to do my Zana daily which rolled a courtyard map/had to kill corrupted bosses. Didn't think we were going to beat the boss(es) but we tried it out anyway. Killed one of the bosses, heard the big drop sound and it was utter chaos for a few seconds as we went from confusion to realisation.
The drops exist!
The drops exist!
Too bad it's not worth much anymore. It's like 9 ex in standard last I looked. On a random weekend I will make 20 exalts just selling jewelry and jewels.
Big drops in this game don't exist anymore.