Teddy has favorable matchups against some of the best characters in the game.
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Teddy has favorable matchups against some of the best characters in the game.
Teddievision sure, and while Bear Claw is negative on block, but I'm not sure if anything's fast enough to punish it.
It's kind of difficult to tell how IB affects it though, since I'm not too sure about the properties of other characters.
If someone wants to test it with me, hit me up.
Supermanisdead
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I hate how DP takes away health. I got a good combo with Yu that ends in Sweep + DP so I can go into a mid-air combo, but if I do it too often, I will DIE.
What? You should go into oki as soon as you confirm a sweep.
Supermanisdead
Member
What is oki.
I know he does well against Chie and probably Akihiko, Mitsuru and Yu are probably even, but I think he gets destroyed against Aigis.
You can never die from using Furious Action/Autocombo.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
mix up game on the opponent rising off the ground.
It's short for okizeme which "is a term of Japanese origin describing the tactical situation during a match where one fighter has been knocked down onto his or her back. While the downed fighter's options are severely limited, many fighting games grant various techniques to allow them opportunities to recover momentum and/or defend against subsequent attacks."
One of Yu's best aspects is his simple but yet very effect 5D (or standing D) okizeme. What you want to do is combo into a sweep then use his standing D which will pressure the opponent while they're knocked down making you free to do what you want almost.
You should watch this. Although it's mostly Japanese it just gives you an idea of the basic things Yu can do for oki.
He beats Yu.
You can super jump it. It's not hard to react too it's the set up into that catches people.
Time the superjump and airdash at the peak of the jump!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Just count to one super jump and airdash after he does it
Yeah, the lag was really bad, I guess it's on my end, dunno what's up though.
The C and D versions have different timings.
And why not? That's not good at all man.
You've thrown a bunch of games because you haven't used it!
And also, it does seem that Mitsuru's cr.A can't punish Bear Screw even on IB.
This doesn't work if you're in the corner and the D version is used.
At least, I think it doesn't.
Ya, I know, its just that the placement is so weird to me, I've never really thought about using it in a match. I really should start using it.
In other news I have a measly 43% win percentage in ranked after 200+ games. For some reason most of the people I face are B and above.
Yukiko can reversal right through Teddie's super and recover 1/5 of her health.
I hate her DP so much, she can spam that shit all day.
TheGreatReptar
Neo Member
I normally time a double jump, then do a move in the air that stops air movement. With Liz I'll do 5B. Pretty much every character has at least one normal that stops them in the air.
Oh man, I've never heard of this before, sounds legit. I'll check it out right now.
Tonight I plan to learn some Naoto combos, and go online to get bodied with her just so I can see if maybe she clicks after some experience. May even give Yu a whirl.
I'm curious about Aigis as well, but she seems off putting from all of her things to manage and her combos seeming "difficult" to pull off online or being very specific in set ups. Is her standard mid screen and corner BnB's much easier than I think they'd be in my head?
I'm curious about Aigis as well, but she seems off putting from all of her things to manage and her combos seeming "difficult" to pull off online or being very specific in set ups. Is her standard mid screen and corner BnB's much easier than I think they'd be in my head?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
She's not super hard to control, it's all about being able to land her smp loop on comand that makes her tough. After that you gotta learn spacing as she is very very based on it.
It's such a pain to find on Play-Asia's site. Here's the link.
I love it. Seamless transition for me between consoles. I'm planning on picking up a MadCatz MLG pad soon and start playing all my non-fighting PS3 games with Xbox controllers. (Note: it does not work with the official Xbox wireless controller, or at least I can't make it work.)
Is Naoto really SMP loop dependent? I've been using her as second and will never manage to do that reliably. Or is that just a high level play thing, like the touch of death Marvel stuff?
No one else but Labrys "clicks" with me anymore. Maybe it's because she was my first character and any one else feels too "different," but I suppose that's a good thing in a game with a small cast.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
It makes or breaks her past low level. She's considered bottom tier without it.
Ah, bummer. Anything that requires 10 moves including a mid-combo super before you even get started is out for me. Of course, that itself probably means I'm stuck in low level.
I'm a noobie...what's her SMP loop consist of?
TheGreatReptar
Neo Member
Not really. There was an A-cho video from like 2 weeks ago that had a Naoto player go on a 12 win streak without using the SMP loop once. The player just had really nasty frametraps and trap setups, and played a really solid neutral. She also gets like 5k damage off normal confirm>mudo>stuff combos without going into the SMP loop.
Her SMP loop is her combo part that takes advantage of a glitch in the engine that makes it so Same Move Proration is only applied for the first 10 moves with Same Move Proration used in a combo. Since every one of Naoto's moves has same move proration, you just combo 10 different moves together with Naoto, then start 236B~DxN.
Here's some examples http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFEL9_dxxpA Depending on the confirm, SMP loops do anywhere from 4.5k to 10.5k+
Dustloop and MM have all the variations.
Ah just checked the video posted above and dloop. I got hit by this online against a S rank Naoto.
It has a terrible forward hitbox, making it useless against a lot of moves that other DPs would normally work on.
Oh and two questions about high/lows I have yet to confirm for myself.
When Chie does her Rekka pin wheels, what's the proper way to block it?(Yes I know I play her, but I rarely see another one online, let alone one who pressures me)
Second, how do you block Naoto's over head arc kick? I block over head and it usually bops me, so is it a low?
When Chie does her Rekka pin wheels, what's the proper way to block it?(Yes I know I play her, but I rarely see another one online, let alone one who pressures me)
Second, how do you block Naoto's over head arc kick? I block over head and it usually bops me, so is it a low?
It hits High, then low. So standing block then immediately crouch.
TheGreatReptar
Neo Member
Naoto's Double Fangs specials all hit high on the last hit.
Also, back to Yukiko's DP, a lot of moves that have their hitboxes extended away from their hurtbox a lot (stuff like Liz's 5A and 2A, Mitsuru's 5A) can hit her DP's super armor, and you won't get hit at all at the right spacing. Yukiko's actually really free while getting up to a lot of characters.
Dual Compatible stick for sale - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41243309&postcount=8147I'd totally do that if I had a PS3
Also, if my stick was dual modded
Everyone uses the shit out of their BD in this game.
I always get baited. ;( if I spammed Mitsus DP I would win maybe 10% of my matches.
Thanks for the input on the overheads guys.
Another question:
When Yosuke gets you in the block string to do his cross up knife slashes, can you punish him during it, or do you have to wait for him to drop to the ground to try and punish him? I was thinking of 2B with Chie would just knock him out of the air as he goes for the 2nd cross up attempt, but I'm not sure if I'm stuck in block stun too much or if it just plain isn't fast enough.
Another question:
When Yosuke gets you in the block string to do his cross up knife slashes, can you punish him during it, or do you have to wait for him to drop to the ground to try and punish him? I was thinking of 2B with Chie would just knock him out of the air as he goes for the 2nd cross up attempt, but I'm not sure if I'm stuck in block stun too much or if it just plain isn't fast enough.
I have alot of people tell me I don't DP enough ironically. In general I think it's fine to use it when you have a life lead and not be afraid to throw it out there. If you're getting baited, think about what type of position you were in that led to getting predicted. If all else fails Just Do It.
Prototype-03
Member
wanna play some matches? you can probably bait me too.
YOU NEED TO
IT
This is what happens when you do a bad BD~
Yah, I think you're EST though right? I'm west coast so, I won't be on for a few more hours.
SolarKnight
Member
Thanks for the input on the overheads guys.
Another question:
When Yosuke gets you in the block string to do his cross up knife slashes, can you punish him during it, or do you have to wait for him to drop to the ground to try and punish him? I was thinking of 2B with Chie would just knock him out of the air as he goes for the 2nd cross up attempt, but I'm not sure if I'm stuck in block stun too much or if it just plain isn't fast enough.
You can punish him with something like an air throw or an anti air, but you always have to keep in mind he might be expecting you to do that and is only baiting you. Like, rather than slash again he'll throw kunais to make it safe(r) or hit you if you attempted something or he could just flip again to the other side without slashing.
Lemon Crest
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Urge to play Mitsuru rising....
Prototype-03
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QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I lost it on that part.
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Lemon Crest
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The guy looks like he fell off the set of Jersey Shore.
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