There's no instant rematch options in versus? Oh no no no, please get on that Atlus.
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Persona 4: Arena |OT| Midnight's Just Around The Corner
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There's no instant rematch options in versus? Oh no no no, please get on that Atlus.
Sort of... at least in the West. It's sort of like how the first game in the Mana series was originally marketed as Final Fantasy Adventure in America, and the first game in the SaGa series was called Final Fantasy Legend.
Basically, there is a main series, Shin Megami Tensei which itself is sort of a spinoff of the original Megami Tensei series, but is now considered the main franchise. This main series shares a universe across all the games, as well as a number of themes, including the system of forming contracts with and summoning demons. Of the main series, only 3 (also known as Nocturne, or Lucifer's Call in Europe) and Strange Journey were ever released in the West.
Then there are a number of spin-off series, that may share some themes and gameplay mechanics with the main series, but take place in a different universe. For each of these series, in Japan the first game in the series had some form of the Shin Megami Tensei name in the title, indicating that it was a spinoff series, and all the later titles dropped the SMT name entirely. For instance, Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner was the first game in the series, while all future games only used "Devil Summoner" and did not include SMT in the title anywhere. For Persona, the first game was Megami Ibunroku Persona, or "Alternate Tale of the Goddess: Persona", with the Megami in the title being a reference the Shin Megami Tensei, quite literally stating that this is a spinoff series. All future Persona games were just called Persona. The exception to this is Digital Devil Saga, which has never included the SMT name in any of its titles in Japan.
In America though, just about all of them are given the Shin Megami Tensei name. This is done for marketing reasons. Atlus was not big enough in the west to sell games on the developer name alone, and they had to try to carry over as many fans as possible from game to game. And now the series has actually gotten decently large, so it really makes sense for them to continue taking advantage of it.
tl;dr version: There is a main series that is directly related, and there are several spinoff series that share similarities, but take place in different universes.
That's unfortunately how ArcSys works. I don't think any of their games have a rematch option.
It's a little more complex than that, though. There are loose ties between the main series and the sub-series that mostly revolve around Shin Megami Tensei: If.... The heroine of that game, Tamaki, later appeared in the Persona games and made references to attending Karukozaka High and being a devil summoner. Moreover, the Kuzunoha Detective Agency appears in both the Devil Summoner and Persona series, and the plot of Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army (spoilers)
is eventually revealed to tie into the Millennium Kingdom from SMT II
SUPARSTARX
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Thanks both - for the abundance of detail & clarification. I like "loosely shared universes."
Guilty Gear had it. I was always confused why it wasn't included in Blazblue.
You are right, I was definitely oversimplifying it. Also, I wasn't aware of some of those connections, pretty cool stuff (though I was under the impression that the Devil Summoner references in the Persona series were more easter eggs, rather than indications the series were directly connected).
In that case, what the hell ArcSys?
I think (possible spoilers) this picture explains pretty well how the SMT games are connected.
It's still (mostly) based on theories, but fascinating nonetheless.
It's still (mostly) based on theories, but fascinating nonetheless.
The trouble is I don't understand things enough to be able to recognize what he's doing and figure out what the best counter would be, let alone be able to do that in time for it to still be useful.
Also I barely understand the concept of blockstrings.
It's heavily implied in Persona 2 that
Chief Todoroki is being possessed by Kyoji Kuzunoha, a la the protagonist of the first Devil Summoner game.
How can you DP out of a blockstring if it's a true blockstring?
And this is a question I've always wanted to know. Is there any negative to mashing dp as soon as you're hit/getting combo'd or blockstringed? It seems like(at least in terms of online) the only negative is staying still and blocking rather than mashing DP as that opens you up to frametraps(DP beats it), throws,(if late enough DP beats it), and jumping back into another blockstring(DP beats it) This is all coming from SF, but it should be applicable here too I'm assuming.
In SF that's what lamers would always do, but at the same time it seems like a strategy that works more often than not. The only situation where it could possible work against you is during wakeup as you can be baited into a whiffed DP.
we.are.the.armada
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Whoa! What?! Also, Nich, does your avatar have a sweet mustache or is he just gritting his teeth?
If the blockstringer messes up his timing. Or if the blocktringee expects the blockstringer to stop his blockstring and go for a throw.
SolarKnight
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Mashing DP everytime is a horrible idea, yes. Your opponent will just bait your DP and make you eat a full combo.
Well, if the person you're playing against gets hit by it they might just start stopping their strings to bait out said DP's to punish you. It's one of those, try not to use it too much or you're going to get punished really hard type of deals, same with wake up attacks.
It all comes with practice. You'll start picking up on it after getting comfortable with the game.
Applying pressure or getting pushed back to a safe distance if your first attack is blocked.
Terareflection
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That's kinda the whole point, fighting games are a learning experience. You learn about you opponents moves and counter him in time to make sure he isn't keen on using that move next time.
took me about a week
black_vegeta
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Ugh loading screens. Even SFIVAE on PC has a feature where you hold the start button it skips the flame background loading screen because the game is already loaded on PC. Games are instant. If skullgirls can do rematch, why not this game
Mind Blown
Ugh loading screens. Even SFIVAE on PC has a feature where you hold the start button it skips the flame background loading screen because the game is already loaded on PC. Games are instant. If skullgirls can do rematch, why not this game
You just blew my mind!
"God's Beard!"
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And thank god because those games are garbage.
wat.
"God's Beard!"
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Muladhara and one or two other songs are really the only thing the DDS games have going for them.
Sounds pretty good. I listened to bits and pieces of the DDS1 soundtrack and didn't like what I was hearing. Still think the P3 soundtrack is the best out of the SMT games I've played (P3, P4, and SMT: Nocturne). Nocturne has some good tracks too though.
Tribes of Trusty
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Soo...story-wise, and without spoiling too much, is it a worthy sequel to P3/P4 ? Are there some answer to the hanging questions of P3/P4 ? (I'm not overly fond of Arksys fighting games, but I figured I'd buy this because it's branded "Persona")
Cool, I was under the impression that it would be harder.
I thought P4 already wrapped up the story. What would be left?
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
It takes place 2 months after the events of 4 during golden week where Yu is returning to the town on vacation to see everyone.
My point is sort of that I don't know how to begin doing that because I don't understand the underlying mechanics of fighting games, I guess, which is why I keep asking dumb questions.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Dont mind him he likes to troll with his opinions.
Thats the 2nd time hes said that here.The first day is the worst. It's just really frustrating and you feel like you just wasted xx dollars. But each day after it gets better. It feels great once you get it though. Dat authentic arcade experience!
Snapshot King
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New stuff that leads into P5.
Dont mind him he likes to troll with his opinions.
I'd hope so since DDS is one of the best games in the series.
Great my HDMI cable snapped. -_-
As someone once told me, sticks can be used for alot more than just fighters.
Street Fighter 2 can be played for free online, maybe check that out to learn a few basics?
Snapshot King
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I have been looking for something like this forever. Thank you. I love the ongoing SMT Meta-Story.
we.are.the.armada
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I'm likely totally off on this but I imagine that the button combinations needed for P4A would require config or a dexterous thumb. For me personally, it's a matter of comfort since my manhands are large.
"God's Beard!"
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If you took out all the interesting battle mechanics from smt games, all the interesting demon mechanics, stripped the personality from all the characters and set them in a soulless world, what you're left with is digital devil saga.I'd hope so since DDS is one of the best games in the series.
Great my HDMI cable snapped. -_-
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Well a lot of the double / triple pushes are also mapped to other (shoulder) buttons by default so shouldnt have any issues.
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