Done that in numerous fighters. Tried doing the counters (roll/focus/jump) and while in training mode you can get a timing down, in actual player matches you can't. There-in the issue. In a player match they're going to constantly spam them at you with various timings and getting past that timing is damn near impossible to me to where I just put the controller down and go outside because there's no point sitting there blocking for 20 seconds to get in close, get burst, and then have to block for another 20 seconds.
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Persona 4: Arena |OT| Midnight's Just Around The Corner
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Done that in numerous fighters. Tried doing the counters (roll/focus/jump) and while in training mode you can get a timing down, in actual player matches you can't. There-in the issue. In a player match they're going to constantly spam them at you with various timings and getting past that timing is damn near impossible to me to where I just put the controller down and go outside because there's no point sitting there blocking for 20 seconds to get in close, get burst, and then have to block for another 20 seconds.
Invited. And I really think the network bars are broken; That was 0 bars yet lag free for me.
XiaNaphryz
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Spent most of last night in Challenge mode just trying to get a feel for the fighting engine. I think I finished around 200-220 of them or so. Did a few arcade matches against the CPU after just to mess around before calling it a night.
Chie really is a poor man's Jam. Glad I went with my Yukiko/Mitsuru decision, since the full awesome of Ms. Kuradoberi hasn't been translated over.
Chie really is a poor man's Jam. Glad I went with my Yukiko/Mitsuru decision, since the full awesome of Ms. Kuradoberi hasn't been translated over.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Yeah, that's kind of... exactly how you have to play some matchups. Especially Akihiko vs. Zoning. You defend properly while you gain your ground, and then you blow them apart once you're in. It's okay if it takes you a while, because the more patient player will win these encounters. And if you know they're going to burst as soon as you do get in, try baiting it out: cut your string short when you think they're going to break the glass, block the blowback, and then punish with another combo.
Arcsys netcode is just that good. It's like that in blazblue as well.
Goddamn, onemic. That was intense.
Sec, we had a random joiner cuz it was public. Friend me, PSN same as my GAF username, and I'll get you in after the next match.
Edit: Invited.
Sec, we had a random joiner cuz it was public. Friend me, PSN same as my GAF username, and I'll get you in after the next match.
Edit: Invited.
Make a new lobby with max players and max private slots. It's the only way to play!
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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But see: What good is sitting there blocking going to do when they're CONSTANTLY (and I mean CONSTANTLY, no breaks) throwing fireballs at you? Roll through them, sure: Then get hit by another one and then you're back at the back of the screen again blocking to try to wait for them to stop.
I can wait, but that means I'm taking chip damage with 40 seconds left on the clock only to get back in, bait a burst (get hit by the burst because the netcode has input lag) and then time-out from fireball spam again.
You have to learn their timing: more often than not those players repeat the same pattern over and over. Yeah, this pattern is different for each zoning player you'll have to face, but sit down, guard their projectiles, and observe their patterns. Once you have this down, approach them, take the life lead, and go back to the other side of the screen and camp them out. Usually there's not much they can do, and they'll either time-out doing nothing, or die trying to rush you out (which is not something they know how to do).
Of course, this is all for those random low-grade zoner players; for a good one, well, you'll need a lot more patience and skill than that...
You shouldn't be worrying about chip damage when you're at the start of a match
;And even less so with Akihiko.
BTW ,want in on this GAF lobby, TheSeks?
You shouldn't be worrying about chip damage when you're at the start of a match
And even less so with Akihiko.
It's more worrying about getting through the projectile spam than it is the chip damage. Sitting there waiting for an opening takes forever. And given the chance, they'll never let up. I played a round that was EXACTLY like I describe: Burst->Ballballballballballballballballballballballballballball... no stopping. No nothing. If I jumped? Yukiko's persona jumps out to hit me. Ball ball ball ball ball ball. Dash through? Persona attack! Ball ball ball ball ball.
*stop blocking, leave room. Grab gun and summon my own personal persona*
So don't give them that chance from the getgo? I mean, Akihiko's a rushdown character. Don't ever let them get far enough away to throw projectiles without being able to punish them for it.
BTW, PoorFate and Noi, that was an AMAZING match. :O
I wasn't trying to? The burst did that?
"God's Beard!"
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Mitsuru is so good at meter management. Plus, I've got a 35% meterless combo now ^_^
Today's the last finals day, so I'll be able to start playing for real later!
Today's the last finals day, so I'll be able to start playing for real later!
Yukiko players tend to burst as soon as you get to them.
Use this at your advantage: bait them to it, and punish.
Calm yourself down, and try to outsmart them. This is how it's done.
Share!
Sseklebeast
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Meh, UPS lost my package with P4A in it. Amazon is sending me a replacement that will get here tomorrow but was looking forward to play this yesterday.
Ah well. Have fun all.
Ah well. Have fun all.
If they've wasted their burst, rush their fucking asses. That means they're desperate to keep you away and you have the advantage.
Bleh, I'm not doing as good since we switched to the new lobby. Beginner mistakes ahoy.
Exactly. Yukiko players don't want you near them. If they burst; Bait. Punish. Rush em. Win.
donkey show
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VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Yeah, chances of winning increase over time once you start learning your opponent's tactics.
Zoning characters can't lock you down indefinitely. That's why you look for openings so you can get in or attack.
Having ranged options yourself helps as well.
I really suck at Yosuke's basic BnB though.
The timing on the B dash is so short that I consisently drop the combo leading to getting DP'd out of his moonsaults.
Zoning characters can't lock you down indefinitely. That's why you look for openings so you can get in or attack.
Having ranged options yourself helps as well.
I really suck at Yosuke's basic BnB though.
The timing on the B dash is so short that I consisently drop the combo leading to getting DP'd out of his moonsaults.
Damn, poorfate is already an expert at this game.
airdash
Are you actually trying to learn how to avoid them or are you just doing the same thing expecting it to work?
As a fellow mitsuru player you must share your secrets!
airdash
Are you actually trying to learn how to avoid them or are you just doing the same thing expecting it to work?
As a fellow mitsuru player you must share your secrets!
I totally lost all my momentum when he beat me with like 1% of the HP bar remaining. ;_;
FUCK YEAH I GOT THIS... wait I lost?
"God's Beard!"
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How does hitstun work in this game? The same moves don't seem to combo in different situations. I can tell there's some sort of juggle limit, but some links won't work off throws, etc? And you can't hit people out of the ice super after a long combo.
In/near the corner:
Sweep xx Coup Droit B, 2A 2B xx Aegis Reflector C, Sweep xx Coup Droit B, 2A
3490 damage
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In/near the corner:
Sweep xx Coup Droit B, 2A 2B xx Aegis Reflector C, Sweep xx Coup Droit B, 2A
3490 damage
All my years of playing Lambda/Nu paid off (in an unrelated game.) ;_;
And I hate every character that can beat out my normals, that makes us even.
And I hate every character that can beat out my normals, that makes us even.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Could try using her D whip. I have no idea how far it goes though.
Also air dashing in without attacking can test people as well.
Also air dashing in without attacking can test people as well.
Wow, I did not mean to select Chie there. Stupid game won't let you back out once on the color select. ;_;
Wanna join us in our GAF P4A lobby?
Wanna join us in our GAF P4A lobby?
"God's Beard!"
Member
Speaking of D whip, here's my midscreen BnB for corner press:
DD, B 2B xx Aegis Reflector C, Sweep xx Coup Droit B
25%
I do but it's usually not spaced properly so it whiffs. Gotta take her to the lab. You already know Yosuke so well!
Eat a Persona attack.
Try to get out of the loop of constant spam cheapness with jumping (PERSONA ATTACK!) air dash (PERSONA ATTACK!) roll (eat a projectile and go back to the back!), block (projectile projectile projectile projectile...).
Unless there's some hidden FIFTH option that isn't "give up because there's no way around it?"
Well, obviously they wasted their burst and I want to rush thei--PROJECTILEPROJECTILEPROJECTILEPROJECTILEPROJECTILE (because they land while I'm being sent across the room from a burst).
Have you tried his 5D which pulls opponents into you? And like I said before go to the lab and record yukiko fireball spamming you and work on getting it.
If you're eating a Persona attack in an airdash, you're timing your airdashes wrong.
You're being absurd now and actually pretty stupid. They will not get that many projectiles off at you unless you let them. Tech the burst, airdash back in. If you need to, use your own burst to get back into range, or use Akihiko's 5D before you airdash. Practice it in training mode if you must.
All my years of playing Lambda/Nu paid off (in an unrelated game.) ;_;
And I hate every character that can beat out my normals, that makes us even.
Can you give me some pointers? (at work atm).
1) What do you do against excessive airdashing?
2) If you see an Evasive Action coming?
3) Do you use meter more on super confirms or on the EX delayable fire traps?
His 5D seems way too situational and like I stated when you asked this before: It's too weak. Pull it off quickly, they'll just back-dash and then go back to spamming. Charge it (while attempting to avoid spam) they'll backdash, projectile, backdash, projectile, backdash *magnet wears off*, projectile, backdash, projectile spam start again.
Oh, I like the game. I just hate the stupid bullshit projectile spam that happens every 2D fighter.
...? Are you OK?
viewtiful_dru
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For people like TheSeks, you gotta play the right people. A friend of mine sometimes 'trains' me in that he'll do something stupid over and over to see if I can get out of it.
What you WANT is to find other Yukiko players and learn the matchup.
You WANT her to throw fans at you over and over because that's how you're gonna learn to beat her.
Fighting a Chie as Akihiko is going to be different than fighting Yukiko.
Or even better, pick up the character. (though I gotta say, almost nobody takes this suggestion. it's like its against their religion or something)
What you WANT is to find other Yukiko players and learn the matchup.
You WANT her to throw fans at you over and over because that's how you're gonna learn to beat her.
Fighting a Chie as Akihiko is going to be different than fighting Yukiko.
Or even better, pick up the character. (though I gotta say, almost nobody takes this suggestion. it's like its against their religion or something)
Then it's all you and not yukiko. You already know about the tools that let you get in without taking much damage. You have to practice them in the training room,(rolls, 5d, airdashes, etc.) which you don't seem to want to do. Use that record ability and keep practicing until you get the hand of getting around them
Or just use record in training room.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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When I face people who I'm not sure how to beat I'll typically play safe, let go of the attack buttons and start faking them out. Like going in to attack and hopping away, whiffing a jab at far range on purpose and other things like that.
Zoners can sometimes panic when people get in close and they end up messing up and leaving themselves open.
You need to learn what moves you can use to punish people who make mistakes for your character.
Yosuke has a ton of stuff like that.
Zoners can sometimes panic when people get in close and they end up messing up and leaving themselves open.
You need to learn what moves you can use to punish people who make mistakes for your character.
Yosuke has a ton of stuff like that.
No offense...but are you high or something?
Is it wise for me to get this attached to Elizabeth? lol I usually have poor execution in fighters and rely mostly on the basics and reading my opponents to compensate.