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Persona 4 Arena Ultimax |OT| It's SHO time!
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Xenoflare
Member
That Damosu debilitate hama combo, I will never forget it.
Ragingnight
Member
errr what is the frame window for yukaris 5AAA bomb into 5C?
Lostconfused
Member
He doesn't use it during the corner throw or whatever combo. So see if you can do it or not to make sure your timing is right. But yeah, fucking micro dashes.
Ragingnight
Member
yukari's 5AAA bomb into 5c seems like a pretty tight link...
The tightest. I was discouraged from ever picking up her up because of that :<
Tyrant Rave
Banned
It's a hard link. To get 5AAA xx 214A, 5C you have to cancel the 5AAA into 214A as early as possible. I find the most success by buffering the 214 during the 5AAA then hitting A on the third volley of arrows.
You need to be able to IAD during her combos too which is kind of tricky IMO. She's not an easy character.
Ragingnight
Member
I don't think the IAD will be the hardest. but yeah seems like a 1-3 frame link.
ok i think i got the hang of it slightly but I found a baby combo that leaves them full screen tho not with silence or anything.
5aaa bomb 5c 5b 2b 236B 2k damage. What the one that gets them silenced?
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hmm EX bomb is easier to land
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Oh yeah, the 5AAA 214A 5C is probably the hardest thing you have to do consistently but her IAD combos are still tricky until you get the timing down. On an airborne opponent you have to tag them with 5B then IAD j.B 5B 2. If you do the j.B too early then you can't get the fully charged 2B.
EX bomb recovers faster, so if you have meter you can just do 5AAA 214AB then 5B
Yukari's 5AAA > 214A/B > 5C feels hard to me than that Margaret one, actually.
Lostconfused
Member
Maaaaaaaaaaan. I really feel like Minazuki is just not for me, or maybe its just forcing me to do things I really hate or I am really bad at.
skLaFarebear
Member
It is, but is it really worth losing 25 SP for every time you do it, especially with how easy the combo is to drop online?
Honestly, Yukari has a lot more to her than her 5AAA bnb. There are a decent number of combos she can do without relying on that ridiculous combo.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
That one is annoying, I just do 5AAAA236A then hit D
Ragingnight
Member
hmm after trying out her normals, not feeling her. I like watching her but I probably can't jive with this character. Doesn't have the screen control that I am looking for like yukiko.
Her zoning options seem limited to 5b, 2b, and j.5b. She has some setups at ranges with isis but not really feeling it.
I think imma try rise next. Yukari is just not for me =X. I think in time i can get the 5AAA into bomb 5C as I am already getting it about 25-30% of the time now but naw. I don't really like her normals even tho they are good
Her zoning options seem limited to 5b, 2b, and j.5b. She has some setups at ranges with isis but not really feeling it.
I think imma try rise next. Yukari is just not for me =X. I think in time i can get the 5AAA into bomb 5C as I am already getting it about 25-30% of the time now but naw. I don't really like her normals even tho they are good
That's kinda wrong. Yukari's zoning game plan mostly revolves around wind orbs (5D, 2D, j.D, 214C, 214D...) so that she can redirect the arrows she shoots into them.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Yukari's BNB with the bomb isn't that bad. You just have to be on point with the bomb and your 5C will hit for sure.
Ragingnight
Member
thats what I meant, woops. But what I am trying to say, it seems primarily arrows base. Its not like yukiko's. Its like I guess dorm vs hawkeye zoning. Each have their own way to zone.
The Yukari link's not so bad if you get Arc's buffer system down (feels like it's still in the game). Hardest things are the janky timings on delayed and held arrows, and some combos to flip arrows.
Really? I had a blast grinding Aigis to be competitive in P4A but was looking for a less-work character since there are less local players for this than the first time around (and this is the only fighter where I'd want to play more than a small fraction of characters). I was leaning to maining Yukari. :\
Really? I had a blast grinding Aigis to be competitive in P4A but was looking for a less-work character since there are less local players for this than the first time around (and this is the only fighter where I'd want to play more than a small fraction of characters). I was leaning to maining Yukari. :\
Ragingnight
Member
if I had to judge, 5AAA into bomb 5c is like a 2-4 framer. I think maybe 3~ not entirely sure. Its def not 5 frames because I can do that. Its not a 1 frame for sure. It feels as difficult as some of the 2-3 framers I have done in the past.
Lostconfused
Member
I need some really long sets against good players to beat the bad habits out of me.
Block too much, can't even block well even if that's what I do for 90% of the match. Too much dashing back and forward, not enough blocking when I do need to block. This is depressing.
Block too much, can't even block well even if that's what I do for 90% of the match. Too much dashing back and forward, not enough blocking when I do need to block. This is depressing.
Ragingnight
Member
what is a good player? lol also who do you play
Definitely. It's not just the link that's being talked about above that makes her technical, but everything else. Proper hit confirms into BnBs are much more involved than they are with other characters, like the IAD requirements that were mentioned, and she just requires a lot of air turns and strict timing to get her stuff to work properly, at least from what I've seen.
I just tried Yukari's combo. It is pretty tough.
Once I got it, I cheated afterwards. P4A has advanced input buffer where the game repeats the input for 3 frames (or maybe 2?). I also plinked C~B giving me an extra frame. I rarely drop it now. I'm pretty sure this isn't placebo since I've gotten it down 10 times in a row now, but who knows lol
Of course this is only helpful on an arcade stick.
Once I got it, I cheated afterwards. P4A has advanced input buffer where the game repeats the input for 3 frames (or maybe 2?). I also plinked C~B giving me an extra frame. I rarely drop it now. I'm pretty sure this isn't placebo since I've gotten it down 10 times in a row now, but who knows lol
Of course this is only helpful on an arcade stick.
Played GG for a long time so stuff from previous Arc games (tight windows, mini-dash, IAD combos), I'm comfortable with. Newer stuff like air turns and Yukari's specific delayed arrows and tight held arrows I'm having trouble with.
Maybe I'll look elsewhere first. How do you guys feel the learning curve are on:
Naoto
Ken (played Zappa a while but Ken seems to take more skill)
SHO (looks SUPER noob friendly but more tricks than Minazuki)
this version of Akihiko (seems less reliant on mini-dash)
It's really not hard. I devoted a section to this thread's OP with images that lay it all out. Directions correspond to the numpad and the buttons correspond to the... buttons.
It'd be silly to replace saying "Yu's 5B" with "Yu's long horizontal sword slash" or "Yu's 2A" with "Yu's downward punch."
Ragingnight
Member
I never learned how to plink =X also my execution is mediocre
For how much I can easily steal wins with him against inexperienced opponents by mainly spamming 2C and 236A/B > A/B, there sure seems to be a distinct lack of him. Same goes for Shadow Labrys, so guess it's just the nature of a puppet character to barely be used by anyone, at least online.
Don't worry about plinking, but working advanced input into how/when you press buttons will work wonders and ensure links take less grinding than SF4.
Lostconfused
Member
Someone who doesn't regularly get caught by the dumb things I do, has good mix ups, can bait and punish, has good use and management of available resources.
I generally play ranked so I can do practice mode at the same time, but since I am such a terrible player I end up playing most against rather mediocre players as well. It's very depressing.
Shouta
Member
Yeah. He's not hard to use like other puppet chars but his neutral does take a little getting used to. On the ground he's beast though. Getting 4k for no metter off a 2B is so good.
Pretty much this. I only did it because I could, haha.
OK I just grinded 2C > 5B > 2B > iad.B > 5B > 2B > jc.B > dj.2 > 5B > 2B...
Was reminded that the hardest thing I found about her was that the held arrows eliminate advanced input, but besides that there's just so many drop points in that beautiful combo.
Xenoflare
Member
People seriously need to watch out for Koromaru, and act accordingly because he can't block.
Rage quit is not nice
especially during your rank up matches.
I had a Koromaru doing dem swirly swirls at me in a corner while ken just was like GO KOROMARU USE TACKLE.
Shouta
Member
Well the 2 big things are the same for Ken as they are for other characters.
A) Learn your buttons. What they do the properties. This is particularly true for Ken because C and D aren't Persona buttons, they're Koromaru buttons.
B) Learn the spacing on your moves. Ken's B on the ground is actually two hits with a long recovery so learning where to use it as a poke so it covers you in the air is really vital. 2B gets a lot of people looking to avoid the initial poke while the AA properties of 5B are on the second part and is slower but is good cross-up protection.
For Ken specific stuff:
1) Cover yourself using Koro. All of Ken's spear moves recover slowly which is usually a death knell for a char but Koromaru can be used separately as long as you aren't blocking or getting hit. So if you expect to whiff or you want to reduce how minus you are after one of your Bs, you can 2C or 5C with Koro to give you a chance to recover from the attack.
2) Protect Koromaru. Just like 1) you need to cover him as he covers you. He gets knocked out and it makes it harder to convert for big damage and your pressure gets halved as a result. If they try to hit Koro, counterpoke them to stop prevent it. 214 A and B is mediarama and heals both Ken and Koro. It also brings Koro back faster after the opponent drains his life bar. This works well if you're opponent is not going in. Hit them with Koro and then heal immediately
3) Learn to execute a 214 or 236 quickly mid-combo. While Ken doesn't require anything fancy like negative edge. You need to be able to quickly use Koro's special moves for several of his important combo parts and for the latter parts of his big combos. jA > jB > Double Jump > jB > 236 D > j2B requires you to do the 236 D as soon as you do jB otherwise you risk bobbling it and whiffing the 2B or forcing them into the ground before or after Koro starts spinning.
4) Ken does not have rapid fire buttons so you need to make sure you follow-up with a different for a hit-confirm and to keep yourself out of trouble. This is aimed specifically at 2A which is just one leg chop but goes into 2B for a full combo pretty easily or can be made safe if you keep 1) in mind.
5) Convert everything into something. Ken can get a lot of stray hits that can be picked up for decent damage. Anticipate so you can do this. Particular ones to not are CH 2Bs, 2Cs, and j.Bs all which lead into 2.5k-3k damage easily or more depending on how many resources you want to spend.
6) Sweep is your friend and does huge damage. It's one of the most important attacks for Ken as it's pretty much a required attack to get into his 5k+ damage range and even into the 6-7k tier. It's the only way to get your opponent into his Thrust combos without hitting them with the Persona first follow-up. Sweep also allows Ken to continue his combo after you OMB his 236236 A/B super.
7) Koro stops if you get hit or block meaning he can't save you from pressure. However, his SB moves are guaranteed to activate once you use it even if you're forced to block, I believe. It doesn't stop them from hitting Koro to stop his moves but helps if you need it. SB Air Spin gives you the best hit angle while SB ground spin leaves Koro where the opponent is even if it's blocked allowing to better pressure in the long run.
8) DP is not great as a reversal for the most part but is a good combo tool. If you get a counterhit with it, you can convert for big damage by following up with a sweep though the timing takes a little to get used to. You can also super cancel the 2nd hit or mash a super as you come down if you whiffed the second. A or SB is best for this but not recommended you put yourself in a situation that forces you to do that.
9) DO NOT MASH ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES D IN THE MACRO OR D ITSELF. D puts Koro away in the air where he heals and if you press C he dives at your opponent or if you press D he drops back down. While it has uses, even in combos. you don't want to put Koro away when you don't mean it so try not to accidentally hit D.
10) If you throw, the commands reverse in the direction opposite to where you throw, I think. This is important because Ken can convert his throw into big damage too with his bread and better.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Just let me know about specific things.
I'm partial to Yu's "I'll style on you with my godlike aerial simply because you made the mistake of existing" as a replacement for j.2B.
I tried to come back to the game after a really busy week of work, and man... I forgot how rough it is when you take breaks from fighters you're just learning.
I definitely think I'll abandon hope of learning Yukari, at least until I can work on my execution. I'm getting a lot more used to Naoto and I still need to try Marge. Then again, I also need to actually get my ass to online matches before I'm free to everyone no contest.
I definitely think I'll abandon hope of learning Yukari, at least until I can work on my execution. I'm getting a lot more used to Naoto and I still need to try Marge. Then again, I also need to actually get my ass to online matches before I'm free to everyone no contest.
hairypeckpeck
Member
great info!
i just got the game wednesday and i really like ken's play style so far.
do you know of any match videos or combo videos?
i've been watching this video, trying to copy his combos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39n...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39nTneIhIpQ)
Does plinking really work in this, the same way as in SF4?
Lostconfused
Member
I think plinking works in most ASW games? Probably.
It's pretty easy to test in training mode, just watch the inputs. Pretty sure I saw one of the button presses double up when I was messing around with training mode in BB.
Fortinbras
Member
Got P4U for Xbox 360 today. Tried to download the free update but Xbox Live won't let me download the file. I'm in Germany. Is the dlc region locked or is there a geo lock for the content?
Shouta
Member
These are cool looking combos but the damage is less than what you'd normally get and generally a little more difficult to get because of side-switches and the like.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
Magaru loop is a lot less fun now imo. Now you just kind of sit in place, I liked driving my green chair.
I haven't tried any debilitate combos yet cause I find it to be so unreliable. Is that supposed to be the new hotness, or is it just combo video stuff?
I need to take Ken & Koro into training mode to see their attack gaps. I almost lost to one despite doing my best to block, it is hard to see where the gaps to approach are. I don't know if Koromaru can hit low, but if he can't that would definitely mean I would have to force Ken to risk an AoA.
Maybe I have to backdash farther away to get Ken's spear to whiff. While it honestly feels like an inescapable blockstring, I bet there are a few ways I can get out. I have seriously forgotten how I managed to avoid getting looped.
Some seriously scary stuff where I 2A the dog to knock him out and just miss getting counter-hit by Ken's spear extend. At least he has to respect Minazuki's teleport to some degree.
Maybe I have to backdash farther away to get Ken's spear to whiff. While it honestly feels like an inescapable blockstring, I bet there are a few ways I can get out. I have seriously forgotten how I managed to avoid getting looped.
Some seriously scary stuff where I 2A the dog to knock him out and just miss getting counter-hit by Ken's spear extend. At least he has to respect Minazuki's teleport to some degree.
Lostconfused
Member
http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/9309-shaggy-scooby-vs-ken/
If that helps. I certainly didn't see Ken pull of any overheads outside of jump-ins and AoA.
Learning where gaps in pressure strings are seems to apply to most characters.