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KuwabaraTheMan
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Eltacoman said:
It took me more than 5 hours, iirc. Three hours just to get through the first two boss battles, before you even gain full-time control.
The game gets consistently better, in my opinion. Especially as the story picks up, and you get more to do.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
dp
Halp:
Shadow Teddie. Do I need something to cure Silence? I currently have none and my party is very light on healing (only Yukiko) so if she gets silence'd I'm pretty fucked. I don't really want to waste a day to just buy some echos but I guess if I must I must.
At first I thought he was going to be a bitch then it dawned on me to just guard with Yukiko after he mind charges since he always casts Mabufula after that.
At first I thought he was going to be a bitch then it dawned on me to just guard with Yukiko after he mind charges since he always casts Mabufula after that.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Actually the legality argument does work for this case, but not in the way you are thinking. You purchased a product with an english dub but are replacing it with the Japanese dub. However the Japanese voice actors are not getting represented by buying the english copy. It's not like the two examples you cited because those two simply involve moving the data you payed for while this example involves editing the data and adding in data you did not pay for.Durante said:
And either way, it's just silly. With a dub as good as Persona 4's there is no reason for an undub other than mild curiosity which can easily be solved with youtube videos and such. If someone hates the dub that much or prefers the Japanese dub that much, they should just buy the Japanese version then.
NichM:
That person is obviously an extremist, but I feel it's a bit unfair to judge all your fans that prefer -- even if ever so slightly -- the undub by one such person. For example, I never said (and don't believe for a moment) that the localized Persona 4 VA is "1996-era garbage".
To clarify, I played the unmodified version of Digital Devil Saga without any misgivings and enjoyed it immensily -- in fact in my post history you might see me bring it up as an example of a good dub, right after the very few great ones like FF12.
On the other hand, I do think the Persona games are a bit of a special case. They are supposed to take place in Japan and make massive references to Japanese culture. Some of those are invariably lost in the translation (and I hope you understand that I mean this regardless of the (high) quality of that effort), even if the localization makes big allowances like keeping (some) honorifics or using (some) Japanese words directly (eg. hatsumode -- that surprised me).
I said before I don't want to derail the thread too much and I meant it, but I really wanted to clarify that there is a large spectrum of opinions between "give me Japanese or give me death (lolz 1996 QUALITY)" and "I speak English I never ever want to hear or see anything else, the mere option offends me".
That person is obviously an extremist, but I feel it's a bit unfair to judge all your fans that prefer -- even if ever so slightly -- the undub by one such person. For example, I never said (and don't believe for a moment) that the localized Persona 4 VA is "1996-era garbage".
To clarify, I played the unmodified version of Digital Devil Saga without any misgivings and enjoyed it immensily -- in fact in my post history you might see me bring it up as an example of a good dub, right after the very few great ones like FF12.
On the other hand, I do think the Persona games are a bit of a special case. They are supposed to take place in Japan and make massive references to Japanese culture. Some of those are invariably lost in the translation (and I hope you understand that I mean this regardless of the (high) quality of that effort), even if the localization makes big allowances like keeping (some) honorifics or using (some) Japanese words directly (eg. hatsumode -- that surprised me).
I said before I don't want to derail the thread too much and I meant it, but I really wanted to clarify that there is a large spectrum of opinions between "give me Japanese or give me death (lolz 1996 QUALITY)" and "I speak English I never ever want to hear or see anything else, the mere option offends me".
Wait, what? People are actually bitching about the VA in P4? These are probably the same people who are never happy about anything in their entire lives. The VA in P4 is top notch and I don't feel anyone's voice is over the top or does not align with how the character looks. I'd almost go as far to say this is some of the best VA I have ever heard in a JP -> NA game. Then again I thought P3's VA was pretty damn good as well. These have to be the same people who complain endlessly about screen tearing (btw all these game's I've played with "unplayable" screen tearing ... yeah I've never noticed) and jaggies.
I really don't know what these people expect from Atlus. It's pretty easy to insult and throw stones but when you offer zero solutions you aren't doing anything. Bitching for the sake of bitching generally pisses me off.
I really don't know what these people expect from Atlus. It's pretty easy to insult and throw stones but when you offer zero solutions you aren't doing anything. Bitching for the sake of bitching generally pisses me off.
I don't want to get into this argument but I must use this opportunity to say you all did an amazing job here, Nich.NichM said:
I already liked the P3 dub but the work in P4 has been really outstanding so far. I've lost count of the times I've smiled or laughed out loud with so many lines being delivered in a fun way (both in text and audio). Congrats to all involved, and make sure you guys always give more weight to constructive than to destructive criticism.
NoitoraJirugajr
Neo Member
I agree with everyone who loves the voice acting. It is so wonderful and has got to be the highlight of the game.
No, I haven't seen anyone even come close to doing that in this thread. I'm easily the most ardent of the GAFers on the "undub side" and I've had nothing but praise for Atlus' work. There seems to be someone on the internet who does hate it, but there's probably someone for every crazy opinion you can think of.Tenks said:
I think the solution offered by the group that you are so wailing against is quite simple -- dual audio. Of course, in cases where that's technically impossible (like I assume Persona 4) there is little to be done (I do wonder how a say $25 more expensive 2 DVD ultra special addition would fare but that's probably a pipe dream given publishing realities. I would certainly buy 2 copies).Tenks said:
SatelliteOfLove
Member
NichM said:
Hell yah. Kanji's VA in particular is fucking ace.
Durante said:
I thought they've already stated this would be technically impossible on a DVD. Though at least you are offering solutions but I wasn't directly calling you out. I more went on an anti basement dwelling anime elitist rant.
Gaf confession: I love JRPG but I cannot stand to watch a second of anime
Maybe I'm not understanding something here. I am under the impression that this "undub" here is just the North American version of the game with the English voice acting removed and the Japanese voice acting inserted in its place.
If so. . . what, exactly, is the point? If someone understands Japanese well enough to understand the Japanese voice acting, they're fully capable of playing the Japanese version of the game. If someone doesn't understand Japanese well enough to understand the Japanese voice acting then they're not gaining anything from the undub. The text -- the only thing an English-only undub player can understand -- is still the localized version. It is not necessarily an exact translation of the Japanese dialogue.
So what's the point? You're not getting a "more authentic" experience by playing an undub any more than you would be getting a "more literary" experience by playing a version of the game wherein all the voice acting was replaced by excerpts from an audiobook version of The Great Gatsby.
If so. . . what, exactly, is the point? If someone understands Japanese well enough to understand the Japanese voice acting, they're fully capable of playing the Japanese version of the game. If someone doesn't understand Japanese well enough to understand the Japanese voice acting then they're not gaining anything from the undub. The text -- the only thing an English-only undub player can understand -- is still the localized version. It is not necessarily an exact translation of the Japanese dialogue.
So what's the point? You're not getting a "more authentic" experience by playing an undub any more than you would be getting a "more literary" experience by playing a version of the game wherein all the voice acting was replaced by excerpts from an audiobook version of The Great Gatsby.
Holy Order Sol
Member
NichM said:
There's no denying that this guy is a douche but it doesn't mean that whoever is interested in an undub version is such an asshole.
Personally I don't have a reason to look for P4 undub though, I tried that with P3 out of curiosity and couldn't stand it for very long because Japanese Yukari sounds like she's gonna faint any minute most of the time, I could barely hear her anyway.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
I call them lazy japanophilesixix said:
Although Yosuke's VA on an all-out attack screaming "Get out of our way!" is the exact same voice and inflection/emphasis as his VA in Code Geass as Suzaku yelling "Get out of my way!":lol
Still a great cast, very well done. I think it's because they used a lot of folks who have done a ton of work in the industry and the anime industry.
Still a great cast, very well done. I think it's because they used a lot of folks who have done a ton of work in the industry and the anime industry.
Tamanon said:
Yosuke's VA also reminded me of Ichigo from Bleach for some reason
I agree it's a very good cast (not just the cast but also the ingame text is clear concise and often funny
), that friend of mine who has the japanese version told me he HATED Teddy's voice in the japanese one (calling it the worst ever) and that both his voice and his jokes got really improved by the translation/adaptation. I was wondering if a regular high schooler in japan is supposed to know the answers to those questions they sometimes ask in class ? Some of them are fairly easy but others are pretty tough, had to google themgrandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Are you sure its Yosuke who reminded you of Ichigo? :lolBoulayman said:Yosuke's VA also reminded me of Ichigo from Bleach for some reason
Boulayman said:Yosuke's VA also reminded me of Ichigo from Bleach for some reason
I agree it's a very good cast (not just the cast but also the ingame text is clear concise and often funny
He's someone else minor in Bleach. Although he did play Sasuke in Naruto also.
Ichigo's VA is actually the MC in P4.:lol
dollartaco
Member
I've read all the arguments for an undub...
Unless you speak Japanese, gtfo.
Unless you speak Japanese, gtfo.
grandjedi6 said:
Hmmm ? Well, I have only heard Bleach's english cast once (when I went to see the movie memories of something at the theater, it was pretty cool because before the movie they had a featurette introducing all the voice cast). But he does give me a Bleach vibe (maybe not Ichigo ^^)
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Well its just kinda funny that you say Yosuke reminds you of Ichigo's voice when Ichigo's actual voice is used for 2 other main characters.Boulayman said:
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
You're probably recognizing Yosuke's voice from something else. Yuri Lowenthal does alot of videogame voice work.Boulayman said:Lol, I guess that if Jon was to grade my voice recognition ability he would do exactly what your avatar shows
I can't remember off the top of my head though exactly which voice he's using in Persona 4
Wow! There was a big gap in time between going into the TV between
and
. I must've power leveled about 6-7 S. Links and boosted a bunch of stats. I try to eat the beef bowl special on rainy days and buy the stuff from the shopping channel every week. I've also done a fair bit of fishing. Is fishing really worth it?
Do any of you visit the TV between new victims? I only go once there's a new victim.
And one other thing -
Kanji
Rise
Do any of you visit the TV between new victims? I only go once there's a new victim.
And one other thing -
Kanji still needs to come out of the closet, even after he got his persona. The sad thing is, I'm almost as insecure about my masclinity as that guy
drtomoe123
Member
TheExodu5 said:And don't forget Nero in DMC4, or Almaz in D3, or Vash in Trigun.
I keep waiting for him to yell "It's morphin' time!"
I always fully explore the non-random parts of the dungeons since they are a nice change of pace from the endless random floors. But I thought that part was a very nice touchVolcynika said:
especially considering the "oldschool" theme of the fourth dungeon. Before I got to it I was wondering why GAF would love one specific dungeon so much but it became immediatly clear upon seeing the "title screen" :lol
I thought that as well at the time, but it's not even the largest gap. It's one of the drawbacks of finishing all the dungeons as soon as they unlock: the dungeon-crawl-blocks and the sim-gameplay-blocks can get into the range of 6+ hours.2DMention said:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
@nich
screw the haters, the dub is awesome. That's fact.
also, have you guys ever considered putting up videos of the NA voice sessions, or some bloopers (ala the Legacy of Kain games) during them on your site ? those would be pretty fun to watch.
woah, yosuke = prince of persia
bad ass ..
some thoughts on the finale
now a general quesiton, what is igor supposed to be anyway ? i mean the guy knows everything.
screw the haters, the dub is awesome. That's fact.
also, have you guys ever considered putting up videos of the NA voice sessions, or some bloopers (ala the Legacy of Kain games) during them on your site ? those would be pretty fun to watch.
grandjedi6 said:
woah, yosuke = prince of persia
bad ass ..
some thoughts on the finale
so I beat the game with both the good and "true" endings a little while ago, i have to say personally i thought the ending and such was done much better then the scenario's in P3. The game went to another level for me once the whole nanako incident happened because that's what P3 lacked imo, a real personal motive for the MC.
I have to say that getting the true ending was pretty hidden, a regular player would probably never even realize that another dungeon exists, since i've been reading about it here i just assumed there was something more to do and kept going around until i triggered the true ending path.
When the boss started casting thousand curses on me continuously i shat my pants, didn't know it was supposed to be scripted
The ending was pretty well done but it would have been better if the hero wasn't a mute, i mean the tradition is getting pretty old guys. Everyone running with the train to see you off was a really nice moment.
I still think it would have been a thousand times cooler if you saw the P3 MC sitting on the seat next to you on the train.
I have to say that getting the true ending was pretty hidden, a regular player would probably never even realize that another dungeon exists, since i've been reading about it here i just assumed there was something more to do and kept going around until i triggered the true ending path.
When the boss started casting thousand curses on me continuously i shat my pants, didn't know it was supposed to be scripted
The ending was pretty well done but it would have been better if the hero wasn't a mute, i mean the tradition is getting pretty old guys. Everyone running with the train to see you off was a really nice moment.
I still think it would have been a thousand times cooler if you saw the P3 MC sitting on the seat next to you on the train.
now a general quesiton, what is igor supposed to be anyway ? i mean the guy knows everything.
Was reading the past page or so regarding the undub. I honestly can't fathom how people would find the P4 dub terrible in any way. I feel like it's been rock solid for the 20 or so hours I've put in to it. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Looking forward to receiving DDS1 in the mail this week as well, though I won't be able to get to it for at least 3 or 4 months.
Looking forward to receiving DDS1 in the mail this week as well, though I won't be able to get to it for at least 3 or 4 months.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I've never understood some people's need for the Japanese VA, because NA VA kills the subtle Japanese cultural nuances. I really doesn't make a difference because chances are if you're listening to the Japanese VA.....you're reading subtitles which doesn't convert any more so than someone READING those same subtitles. Unless you speak / understand Japanese....something will be lost in translation. I mean, my Japanese is decent as is my korean. But when my friends tell me they'd rather just listen to the Japanese voicing in some games because they don't want to lose anything in translation. I always have to point out the fact they're reading a subtitle.....which is a translation.....meaning something was just lost.