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Persona 5 Review Thread

I understand it is stand alone, but does it spoil previous Persona games as far as story? I was thinking there might be references that spoil previous games.

Nah, you should be fine. There are references, but beyond just hinting at existing characters from the previous games, there isn't really much at all. P2 would probably be the only game that would tell you more than you would want about P1, but it doesn't really spoil the conclusion of the plot points. P3 and P5 have probably the least major references. All of them are pretty minor.
 
Amazing! Congrats to Atlus although it's time to step up their localizations efforts.
Here in Europe many people won't buy this amazing game because it's in english only and that's a shame.

Been trying to get a friend into Persona for years but his english is nonexistent so there's not much that can be done since he can't be assed to learn it.
 

Blitzhex

Member
Allright, you are now bound to this bet.

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I'm vindicated.
 

Kambing

Member
I'm sure it has been mentioned before, but holyFUCK this year has been savage for game releases. Yakuza, Nioh, Zelda, Horizon, Nier, GR2, ME and now this -- lovely Persona -- my most hyped game. The only title I have beat in the aforementioned list is Nioh. Even if the other game releases this year fall flat, well, I am set for the next 8 months.
 

Kumquat

Member
8.5 is "ridiculously low?"

It's not even a full point below the average.

I'm not even really talking about the 8.5 review. More like the 50% review that Horizon got from US Gamer and various other situations. Almost always on MC there is that one review that is way off from the average and it is usually an attention seeker.
 

jrush64

Banned
Not surprised at the reviews. Of course, fuck Atlus for taking this long to actually release this game. Fuck them and fuck them again. However it's finally here so my hype doesnt start until next Tuesday.

Its amazing how Final Fantasy is not the premier RPG series anymore.
 

HeelPower

Member
uh, he's right.
P5 is not a AAA game; it doesn't have a AAA budget behind it.

Its a premium quality game that is years in the making.

Its also backed by an elite team of developers.

It very much in the top echelon of the industry even if it doesnt have the gargantuan financial backing of some othe titles.
 

Patrick S.

Banned
Basically there's a ton of weird people on this gaming forum that are proud to dedicate time to post about why they think some high school girl is better than another high school girl. It's super weird.

Like if I were playing Mass Effect and discussing with someone why Miranda is hotter than Ashley? And THAT is grounds for a ban? Wow.
 
I don't see that budget being spent on AA or indie games.

Didn't Mass Effect Andromeda cost like 40 million

I'm saying sub 30 million aka less than. 20-30 million range is likely what the game cost. Which isn't a AAA budget. 40-50 million is cheap by AAA standards with 75+ million being very common.

Persona isn't some indie game so no way it cost less than 20.
 

robotrock

Banned
Like if I were playing Mass Effect and discussing with someone why Miranda is hotter than Ashley? And THAT is grounds for a ban? Wow.

No, because those are adult women.

Anyways even if you don't think it's creepy, the discussion often spirals out of control and derails threads.
 

LordKano

Member
I'm saying sub 30 million aka less than. 20-30 million range is likely what the game cost. Which isn't a AAA budget. 40-50 million is cheap by AAA standards with 75+ million being very common.

Persona isn't some indie game so no way it cost less than 20.

I very much doubt Persona cost more than 20 million dollars. You severly overestimate japanese game devs budget. It's a very linear JRPG made for PS3.
 

Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
It's OK. All waifu shit in the OT for the game is forbidden. I will ban on sight.


The problem isnt harmless comments about preferring certain characters. The problem is some people taking it way too seriously, getting creepy with it and having it dominate the discussions.

Good decision.
 

robotrock

Banned
I'm saying sub 30 million aka less than. 20-30 million range is likely what the game cost. Which isn't a AAA budget. 40-50 million is cheap by AAA standards with 75+ million being very common.

Persona isn't some indie game so no way it cost less than 20.

Yeah I got you. Definitely a bigger game for Japan though I think
 
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I have two counterpoints.

1) Jeff Gerstmann at Giant Bomb has been asked why they don't just do away with scores. His response has been that if some people want to just go there to look at a score, why should they deny them that information? I think it's an extremely valid point - the text is there for people that want it, and the numerical score is there for people that just want it (as well as aggregators).

I suppose that's fair. Though I do believe that a super brief pros and cons section not only fulfills the same role, but gives far more information than people looking at two digits than closing the tab. Then again, as per your second point, not everyone has the time to look at individual reviews for every game and need a broad consensus, so there definitely is a benefit to numbers I overlooked.

That being said, in my opinion it's still a precarious system that feels like it's only going to get worse for the industry as a whole - especially considering LKD is getting shit on for the poor, mediocre score of 8.5/10. (An 8.5 for this game specifically is too low, but for another game it's not? The meaning of scores is far too inconsistent between games, publications and reviewers, which would be fine - if audiences realized that as well)
 

MTC100

Banned
I know it's definitely not like that, I'm just saying it should be. I'm not saying a game with 45 metacritic means it should be considered good, but that should be seen as mixed. Not just inherently bad. I think people acting like a 75 is a bad score and means something is mediocre and silly, because that is still 70% positive, which is majority.

Ask yourself the question: Which game would you give a 5 or 6 you've played lately. I don't remember any game I've played for ages that I would rate lower than a 7(and I bet most gamers here will have a hard time to find a 5 or 6 appropriate for any game they've played lately either), because I value my time and play games that have a certain standard, represent a genre I like and aren't pestered with countless bugs.

Should I rate all the games I've played on a 1-10 scale then? No, definitely not, when I only reached 60%(or 6 out of 10 if you like) of possible points in my exams back in school I was barely dodging an F translated to English grades. And I think that's also the way almost everyone sees the scores, a 6 is pretty bad and most likely has huge flaws, a 7 is okay, 8 good, and so on...

I don't expect the game to win any awards from mainstream western publications. Japanese games don't win awards if they aren't Nintendo, Kojima, or a Souls game.

This has to change and perhaps Persona 5 can change it.
 
Gonna say something totally radical and out-there: a reviewer can dock points for anything they want, because a review is an opinion piece. The reason we get multiple reviews is to get multiple perspectives on a game. This might be better understood if people actually read multiple reviews and synthesized the impressions around their personal tastes rather than complaining about how a given score affects a metascore.
Okay? Is it also radical to critique a review for their attempt to make a game act like something it never was? Are opinions coming from critics untouchable now?

I read the review. I didn't complain about the score. It's a pretty high score. Higher than Edge or DT. I read the (lower) reviews and agreed with them. Are we not allowed to critique what basically comes to a port beg to Vita or Switch section within in a review? I'm not even talking about the MC nor focusing on the (good) score.

Not completely understanding what you mean here.

Edit: Atleast not in my posts, I didn't focus on the score.
 

pixxxelz

Member
Awesome! Picking up a goty is going to though this year.

Also a little off-topic but anybody know if we're getting the costumes dlc's on launch day?
 
I don't see that budget being spent on AA or indie games.

Didn't Mass Effect Andromeda cost like 40 million

According do Wikipedia:

"An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion. AAA game development is associated with high economic risk, with high levels of sales required to obtain profitability."

Since "AAA" is a term 100% related to budget then yes, probably Persona 5 isn't an AAA by today's industry standards which we have games with 75 millions budget. That's why "AAA" is a irrelevant term IMO since it isn't about the game's quality but it's budget.
 
I very much doubt Persona cost more than 20 million dollars. You severly overestimate japanese game devs budget. It's a very linear JRPG made for PS3.

The game was in development for much longer than anticipated with multiple delays. That's longer you have to pay the dev team in comparison to original budgeting.

20-30 million is the realistic estimate on the budget, which I would agree is likely on the lower end of that. I'd be pretty surprised if they managed to get it under 20, but its not impossible
 
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