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Persona 5 Review Thread

Aeana

Member
Okay? Is it also radical to critique a review for their attempt to make a game act like something it never was? Are opinions coming from critics untouchable now?

I read the review. I didn't complain about the score. It's a pretty high score. Higher than Edge or DT. I read the (lower) reviews and agreed with them. Are we not allowed to critique what basically comes to a port beg to Vita or Switch section within in a review? I'm not even talking about the MC nor focusing on the (good) score.

Not completely understanding what you mean here.

Edit: Atleast not in my posts, I didn't focus on the score.

If I didn't quote you then there is no reason for you to assume I'm talking about you, unless you're feeling guilty.

There were people who were saying, verbatim, that someone should not be able to dock points for one thing or another. I was responding to that.
 

Yu Narukami

Member
Jack Frost is the best waifu.
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robotrock

Banned
According do Wikipedia:

"An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion. AAA game development is associated with high economic risk, with high levels of sales required to obtain profitability."

Since "AAA" is a term 100% related to budget then yes, probably Persona 5 isn't an AAA by today's industry standards which we have games with 75 millions budget. That's why "AAA" is a irrelevant term IMO since it isn't about the game's quality but it's budget.


That doesn't make it triple AAA

Yeah I'm with you guys
 
Why wouldn't I be? I was the one that proclaimed "No mo waifus" in Persona threads before. Gonna happen again.

To be safe though, when does talking about the romance options & characters in the game devolve into "waifu shit"?

When it's reduced to simply 1-line posts of "Makoto is best Waifu" or before then?

It'd be nice to know where the line is.
 
If I didn't quote you then there is no reason for you to assume I'm talking about you, unless you're feeling guilty.

There were people who were saying, verbatim, that someone should not be able to dock points for one thing or another. I was responding to that.
Ah. Sorry about then. My bad.
 
Ask yourself the question: Which game would you give a 5 or 6 you've played lately. I don't remember any game I've played for ages that I would rate lower than a 7(and I bet most gamers here will have a hard time to find a 5 or 6 appropriate for any game they've played lately either), because I value my time and play games that have a certain standard, represent a genre I like and aren't pestered with countless bugs.

Should I rate all the games I've played on a 1-10 scale then? No, definitely not, when I only reached 60%(or 6 out of 10 if you like) of possible points in my exams back in school I was barely dodging an F translated to English grades. And I think that's also the way almost everyone sees the scores, a 6 is pretty bad and most likely has huge flaws, a 7 is okay, 8 good, and so on...



This has to change and perhaps Persona 5 can change it.

Oh yeah, I agree that the school grading system is why people see it this way, myself included. Of course I wouldn't give a game I like lower than a 7, but that's because of the current scoring system we're used to. I think it just makes more sense for 5/10 to be neutral rather than bad. I'm just saying that it seems that the review system basically starting at a decent majority as just okay and then anything lower is bad is an imperfect system and it should be changed. But I also currently see it this way, because thats the way it currently is.
 

Saint9806

Member
A game getting this much hype and in it's 5th installment, with the elite devs behind it. It's a AAA game. Period... Being an AAA game is also not only decided by the budget. It's also marketing and projected sales. I don't even want to imagine how well this did in Japan. If you don't think this is AAA, I don't know what is....
 

Aeana

Member
The plan is to have a separate companion thread to the OT for people to put all of their waifu and relationship stuff. Trying to stamp out the conversation entirely isn't going to work when we have a membership this large, anyway, so we're just recommending that people keep it out of the OT where a lot of people would prefer not to deal with it.
 
This has to change and perhaps Persona 5 can change it.

I don't think it can get any awards tbh. The story is great but it won't be recognized, the music, voice acting, battle system, all of it is amazing but music's not orchestrated, there are no "big" actors, it's a turn-based battle system. The only thing they may get an award for is art-style or something related to that. Persona 5 is like the anti-AAA game tendencies. It really can't get any awards.
 

manueldelalas

Time Traveler
If I didn't quote you then there is no reason for you to assume I'm talking about you, unless you're feeling guilty.

There were people who were saying, verbatim, that someone should not be able to dock points for one thing or another. I was responding to that.
I mean... His username is Tinfoilhatsron...
 
The plan is to have a separate companion thread to the OT for people to put all of their waifu and relationship stuff. Trying to stamp out the conversation entirely isn't going to work when we have a membership this large, anyway, so we're just recommending that people keep it out of the OT where a lot of people would prefer not to deal with it.

Safe to assume that someone is already working on this or has it ready?
 

Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Waifu wars, ok, but any kind of "waifu shit"? It's an important part of the game. Weird to ban discussion of it in the OT.

To be safe though, when does talking about the romance options & characters in the game devolve into "waifu shit"?

When it's reduced to simply 1-line posts of "Makoto is best Waifu" or before then?

It'd be nice to know where the line is.

If you're discussing the actual characters and events of the game I think youre OK.

If the post is gonna boil down to how much you love one character over another and proceed to proclaim your unconditional love for a digital character while shitting on another, thats probably not gonna be acceptable.


We're all grown ups here (I think?), surely you can differentiate between game talk and waifu talk.
 

robotrock

Banned
If you post in the dedicated waifu thread, you will get banned on sight. I don't think I'm a moderator yet, so I can't enforce this. But please adopt this policy.
 
This is why I hate number-scored reviews.

If an 8.5 out of 10 is considered "fine I guess", wtf is the point of any score 1 to 8.4? It makes it all arbitrary. If people don't see or consider a difference between a 5/10 or a 1/10, the system sucks and should be thrown the hell out.

You don't understand how these numbers work.

Seriously, I don't mean that as a snarky comment and I agree with much of the sentiment you express in the rest of your post. But as far as the numbers thing, you straight up don't get it.

What about the "7 is average" system sucks? Why should it be thrown out?

Give me a single example of how a system that forces the distribution of review scores to match the even distribution of numbers in a sequence would benefit anyone in any way at any time.

Actually give an example wherein saying 5 is average would be somehow better than saying 7 is average.

If your example is essentially, "a game I like would then be seen as better because lower scores would be okay," then you don't actually believe that the system is broken, you are just angry about a review score a game got.


5 is only average in a completely equal distribution of the numbers 1 through 10. As soon as you apply those numbers as a scale, you will find that the average can skew up or down.

The reason the average is closer to 6 or 7 is because most games meet a basic level of competence in design and because they are often products made by professionals with a desire to create something worthwhile.

The reason the 7-10 scores are seen as so important is because that is the zone within which most games which meet the basic threshold of "good" compete. If you force the "5 must be avg" rule, then you will just be changing the scale of numbers to a different, no less arbitrary, standard.
 

MTC100

Banned
Isnt there a patch to change that?

You can patch the dub to Japanese,yes but he/she was talking about localisation: The game isn't subbed in German, Italian, French, Spanish, or other languages that are common in Europe.

I think people should stop being so lazy and learn English instead of looking for mostly bad localisations in games. English is a rather easy language and back in my prime gaming days with the NES and SNES no one localized anything for us in Europe. Everything was in English, yet I still managed to play those games and had fun with them. I'd also like to think that playing games in English helped me a lot in understanding the language better.
 
The plan is to have a separate companion thread to the OT for people to put all of their waifu and relationship stuff. Trying to stamp out the conversation entirely isn't going to work when we have a membership this large, anyway, so we're just recommending that people keep it out of the OT where a lot of people would prefer not to deal with it.
I've been curious to how this will turn out...I've always enjoyed discussing romance and character relationships in stories without shipping, waifu wars, and best girls whatever. However if I cant discuss that in the main thread, is it just stuck in a thread dedicated mostly to the other shit I'm trying to avoid?

Considering I probably wont be posting much about the game until I actually complete, maybe I'll see a place that fits my discussion by the time I hit that point.
 

Astral

Member
I finally saw some video reviews. Damn is this game fucking stylish and I love the character designs. I'm really interested in how the game handles that one girl's social anxiety.
 

Domstercool

Member
Ask yourself the question: Which game would you give a 5 or 6 you've played lately. I don't remember any game I've played for ages that I would rate lower than a 7(and I bet most gamers here will have a hard time to find a 5 or 6 appropriate for any game they've played lately either), because I value my time and play games that have a certain standard, represent a genre I like and aren't pestered with countless bugs.

I play plenty of games, and I've beat games that I'd give a 6 (or some even lower, such as Berserk and the Band of the Hawk, which I'd give a 5). Why did I play them? Because I like the source material, but just because I do, doesn't mean I can't see what is wrong with it.

I'd understand people with limited time, like you say, but everyone is different. I only have work to commit to, so after that, I am free to play many, many games.
 
Waifu wars, ok, but any kind of "waifu shit"? It's an important part of the game. Weird to ban discussion of it in the OT.
There's a difference between deciding which COOP SL is the best and discussing why that is, and deciding which girl in a video game is the best 'wife material', a pretty big difference. And some people don't want to deal with that in a main OT.

I mean... His username is Tinfoilhatsron...
Guilty as charged. I'm always guilty and paranoid for future crimes I'll commit.
 

anddo0

Member
Stop the phone; this game is 30fps?
Damn this makes me sad.

I guess I'll be using remote play 60-70% of the time. I'm going into this blind. I figured with the graphics style it would be 60fps.
 

robotrock

Banned
Stop the phone; this game is 30fps?
Damn this makes me sad.

I guess I'll be using remote play 60-70% of the time. I'm going into this blind. I figured with the graphics style it would be 60fps.

You're primarily buttoning through menus anyways, it's turn based. I'm a firm believer that 60fps is always better but I actually don't care at all for this one
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
Stop the phone; this game is 30fps?
Damn this makes me sad.

I guess I'll be using remote play 60-70% of the time. I'm going into this blind. I figured with the graphics style it would be 60fps.

It's not a split-second action-heavy game, so 30FPS will be more than fine.

And I too am super-excited at the prospect of remote-playing this game everywhere. The minimal latency would have zero impact on a game like this.
 

MTC100

Banned
A game getting this much hype and in it's 5th installment, with the elite devs behind it. It's a AAA game. Period... Being an AAA game is also not only decided by the budget. It's also marketing and projected sales. I don't even want to imagine how well this did in Japan. If you don't think this is AAA, I don't know what is....

It's not an AAA game, did you see how many employees Atlus has, they are a very small company compared to the big players. Mass Effect Andromeda is a classic AAA game and we all know how that turned out, don't we? Even Nintendo hasn't produced an AAA game other than Breath of the Wild perhaps.

AAA stands for a very high production cost and a very high advertising budget, funny enough the advertising can cost more than the development of the game. Wikipedia has the perfect description for it:

wiki said:
An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion. AAA game development is associated with high economic risk, with high levels of sales required to obtain profitability.

The fun part is, all that money they push into ads is also the reason why those games are so risky...
 
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