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Persona 5 Review Thread

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DNAbro

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Son Of Sparda said:
Wait, talking about female characters in Persona 5's OT will get you banned?

Okay, I guess that's one thread that I have to avoid then.
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Acceptable: "Futaba's character arc is great. Ann is best party member due to skills. Haru's confidant link is really well done."

Waifu shit:" Makoto best girl. Futaba sucks compared to Ann. I'd fuck the teacher."
 
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Blitzhex

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BRSxIgnition said:
Assuming no other 100 and 95+ scores show up before then, EDGE & Digital Trend's reviews will drop the unweighted average to 93.53.
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Turning off the internet till I finish the game.
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PancakeBurglar

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anddo0 said:
Stop the phone; this game is 30fps?
Damn this makes me sad.

I guess I'll be using remote play 60-70% of the time. I'm going into this blind. I figured with the graphics style it would be 60fps.
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While 60fps is always preferred, its a story driven turn based game that is very light on action inputs. 30fps is just fine for the type of game this is.
 
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Son Of Sparda

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FluxWaveZ said:
There's an issue if one thinks "talking about female characters" is equivalent to "waifu discussion."
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Then what is "waifu discussion" and how is that different from talking about female characters in the game? S-Link discussions about female characters?

Actually, why is something that's part of the game itself, is forbidden to discuss to begin with?
 
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4Tran

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I Win Yet Again said:
A game getting this much hype and in it's 5th installment, with the elite devs behind it. It's a AAA game. Period... Being an AAA game is also not only decided by the budget. It's also marketing and projected sales. I don't even want to imagine how well this did in Japan. If you don't think this is AAA, I don't know what is....
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Yeah, AAA budget would refer to both development and marketing funds. However, it doesn't matter how good the people working on a game are; the development budget will have more to do with how big the development team is. Modern AAA games will typically have development teams of 300-1000 people at peak, and that's probably way larger than how many people worked on Persona 5. While Persona 5 will be on the higher end of the scale in Japanese terms, a Japanese AAA game will be more like Final Fantasy XV.
 
Shouta

Shouta

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Gbraga said:
Waifu wars, ok, but any kind of "waifu shit"? It's an important part of the game. Weird to ban discussion of it in the OT.
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We'll have an OT for it. I could just, if you prefer, go:

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Son Of Sparda said:
Wait, talking about female characters in Persona 5's OT will get you banned?

Okay, I guess that's one thread that I have to avoid then.
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'cause waifu talk is the same as talking about the actual characters. Come on. You know better than that.
 
Melchiah

Melchiah

Member
MTC100 said:
Ask yourself the question: Which game would you give a 5 or 6 you've played lately. I don't remember any game I've played for ages that I would rate lower than a 7(and I bet most gamers here will have a hard time to find a 5 or 6 appropriate for any game they've played lately either), because I value my time and play games that have a certain standard, represent a genre I like and aren't pestered with countless bugs.
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Daylight. (48% on Metacritic) My mistake of buying that trash just because it was a horror game on a new console.


On topic, P5 seems interesting. Hopefully there'll be a demo to try. I wonder if it would be to my fancy, since I haven't played the preceding entries, and the only JRPGs I've played have been FFVII-XIII. Lost interest in the series since then.
 
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Geg

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Son Of Sparda said:
Then what is "waifu discussion" and how is that different from talking about female characters in the game? S-Link discussions about female characters?

Actually, why is something that's part of the game itself, is forbidden to discuss to begin with?
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"Waifu" discussion in my mind involves heated arguments about which female character is the best, not discussion about gameplay and story elements involving female characters.
 
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BossDarkseid

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4Tran said:
Yeah, AAA budget would refer to both development and marketing funds. However, it doesn't matter how good the people working on a game are; the development budget will have more to do with how big the development team is. Modern AAA games will typically have development teams of 300-1000 people at peak, and that's probably way larger than how many people worked on Persona 5. While Persona 5 will be on the higher end of the scale in Japanese terms, a Japanese AAA game will be more like Final Fantasy XV.
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Atlus had like 150 employees total even once production on Persona 5 was at its peak...and it's not like 150 worked on the game since they had a team on SMTIV/SMTIV A and other stuff at the time. Sooo...yeah. The budget is likely comparatively very low.
 
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_Final_Phoenix_

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Hades Hotgun said:
You don't understand how these numbers work.

Seriously, I don't mean that as a snarky comment and I agree with much of the sentiment you express in the rest of your post. But as far as the numbers thing, you straight up don't get it.

What about the "7 is average" system sucks? Why should it be thrown out?

Give me a single example of how a system that forces the distribution of review scores to match the even distribution of numbers in a sequence would benefit anyone in any way at any time.

Actually give an example wherein saying 5 is average would be somehow better than saying 7 is average.

If your example is essentially, "a game I like would then be seen as better because lower scores would be okay," then you don't actually believe that the system is broken, you are just angry about a review score a game got.


5 is only average in a completely equal distribution of the numbers 1 through 10. As soon as you apply those numbers as a scale, you will find that the average can skew up or down.

The reason the average is closer to 6 or 7 is because most games meet a basic level of competence in design and because they are often products made by professionals with a desire to create something worthwhile.

The reason the 7-10 scores are seen as so important is because that is the zone within which most games which meet the basic threshold of "good" compete. If you force the "5 must be avg" rule, then you will just be changing the scale of numbers to a different, no less arbitrary, standard.
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Reread the part you quoted. Never mentioned 7/10. If it's getting to a point here 8.5 is considered a lackluster score, then there's something off.

7/10 makes sense for average, in a way. And I never said 5s should be average. The thing is, our consideration of average is changing, but our view on scores is not.

7s used to be average, but since so many games are able to hit above that, is it okay to consider 8s and 8.5's the new average? Or do we scale the rankings to reinstate 7s to be average again?

My problem isn't that "5 isn't considered average" (which I never said or believed). My problem is that if people are freaking out about an 8.5 being average or just "fine I guess", then there's something really wrong. We're changing our definitions of what average is, and the number scales are becoming obsolete.
 
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Son Of Sparda

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DNAbro said:
Acceptable: "Futaba's character arc is great. Ann is best party member due to skills. Haru's confidant link is really well done."

Waifu shit:" Makoto best girl. Futaba sucks compared to Ann. I'd fuck the teacher."
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So "I love Makoto's arc and I think she is the best female character in the game" will get me banned?

Shouta said:
'cause waifu talk is the same as talking about the actual characters. Come on. You know better than that.
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No, I honestly don't know what is classified as waifu talk. Am I allowed to talk about romance options like we do in threads about Bioware games? Or is that waifu talk and will get me banned?
 
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Tinfoilhatsron

Banned
Son Of Sparda said:
Then what is "waifu discussion" and how is that different from talking about female characters in the game? S-Link discussions about female characters?

Actually, why is something that's part of the game itself, is forbidden to discuss to begin with?
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You know that you can be non-romantic in Social-Links right? And that story line can be critiqued and discussed? Social-Link discussion isn't banned in the OT. And apparently there will be a separate thread on the romantic aspects of the game, so whatever.
 
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snow in jamaica

Member
all's i'm sayin' is 7 is the lowest number

Aeana said:
The plan is to have a separate companion thread to the OT for people to put all of their waifu and relationship stuff. Trying to stamp out the conversation entirely isn't going to work when we have a membership this large, anyway, so we're just recommending that people keep it out of the OT where a lot of people would prefer not to deal with it.
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Are you sure something that creepy should be condoned?
 
SaniOYOYOY

SaniOYOYOY

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Geg said:
"Waifu" discussion in my mind involves heated arguments about which female character is the best, not discussion about gameplay and story elements involving female characters.
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thats an apt description of waifu war if i ever see one

Son Of Sparda said:
So "I love Makoto's arc and I think she is the best female character in the game" will get me banned?
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knowing its a persona thread, someone gonna reply claiming another female is the best, and then the discussion goes south
 
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MTC100

Banned
Melchiah said:
Daylight. (48% on Metacritic) My mistake of buying that trash just because it was a horror game on a new console.
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Yeah, okay, I was implying we all wouldn't buy crappy games in the first place :p -Well I would rate No Man's Sky a 4 too but thanks to Steam I could get a refund for it so I'm not rating it at all, lucky for you NMS!
 
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Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Looks like my prediction of 95 metacritic was real close. Off by 1 point!
 
F0rneus

F0rneus

Tears in the rain
I'm not sure if I'm getting this straight. Talk of female characters is fine, as long as the romantic aspects of their Confident story is not brought up right?
 
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Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
F0rneus said:
I'm not sure if I'm getting this straight. Talk of female characters is fine, as long as the romantic aspects of their Confident story is not brought up right?
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Why is this so difficult for some of you?
 
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Holundrian

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Son Of Sparda said:
So "I love Makoto's arc and I think she is the best female character in the game" will get me banned?
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Probably not, but you should be :p
I honestly cannot understand how people go away from persona with "BESTEST CHARACTER" like it's a series about embracing people of all different types, struggles, etc. About learning to love each other for all your differences.
 
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wmlk

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ShadowSoldier89 said:
I've been curious to how this will turn out...I've always enjoyed discussing romance and character relationships in stories without shipping, waifu wars, and best girls whatever.
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*avatar quote*

Surprisingly the reviews barely touch on the SLs. Are they more or less the same or are they more developed?

Holundrian said:
Probably not, but you should be :p
I honestly cannot understand how people go away from persona with "BESTEST CHARACTER" like it's a series about embracing people of all different types, struggles, etc. About learning to love each other for all your differences.
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Because Persona ain't that serious. There are countless other franchises with a deeper and more nuanced focus on characters where people outwardly claim their favourite characters too.
 
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BRSxIgnition

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F0rneus said:
I'm not sure if I'm getting this straight. Talk of female characters is fine, as long as the romantic aspects of their Confident story is not brought up right?
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More like: You can talk about it and discuss it, but reducing it to nothing but shouting "_____ is best girl, ______, ______, and ______ are all horrible!" will get you banned.
 
Melchiah

Melchiah

Member
MTC100 said:
Yeah, okay, I was implying we all wouldn't buy crappy games in the first place :p -Well I would rate No Man's Sky a 4 too but thanks to Steam I could get a refund for it so I'm not rating it at all, lucky for you NMS!
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Huh, I guess passing on it worked well for me.
 
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BossDarkseid

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F0rneus said:
I'm not sure if I'm getting this straight. Talk of female characters is fine, as long as the romantic aspects of their Confident story is not brought up right?
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I don't think so.

As someone a few posts above you said, it's more if people brazenly start declaring Makoto is best waifu and getting into heated arguments about who is the best girlfriend etc they'll get done. If you think that an arc or scene etc is sweet etc, that doesn't really have much to do with Waifu-ness, I suppose.

I mean half the point of social links is getting to know the characters so by the time the credits role you feel like you're leaving behind friends, so discussing their arcs, be it romantic or otherwise, seems like it's ok.
 
Patrick S.

Patrick S.

Banned
This discussion of what is and what is not allowed in a thread is much more disruptive to me than reading "character X is the best girl in the game". Maybe I'm just weird.
 
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Merchandise

Member
I liked Ann's character a lot but Makoto was much more useful in battle. I used Ann mostly for healing early game but she became a poor man's Morgana later on so I settled on MC/Ryuji/Makoto/Morgana for most of the game.
 
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Son Of Sparda

Member
SaniOYOYOY said:
knowing its a persona thread, someone gonna reply claiming another female is the best, and then the discussion goes south
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And why would that be a bad thing if the other person brings up some other points and we have actual discussion about the characters.

I just don't get why we are banning discussion about certain aspects of the game.
 
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Marmaladefire

Member
F0rneus said:
I'm not sure if I'm getting this straight. Talk of female characters is fine, as long as the romantic aspects of their Confident story is not brought up right?
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As long as you don't go full "HARU BEST GIRL" It's annoying at best and creepy at worst.It gets sexist, weird, and uncomfortable fast. The characters aren't even adults honestly. Tbh I think having it's own thread just encourages it more in general anyway and is just going to turn the community thread into a disaster zone but whatever.
 
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