Projectors are great. I had a Sanyo PLV Z4 from 2006-2009 and then upgraded to a Panasonic AE4000. Its been cool gaming on a 120 inch screen all these years but I notice as I get older it starts to bother my eyes. Also paying $350 bucks every 2500 hours to switch a bulb sucks. That being said I'm gonna pick up an S60 for my new gaming TV.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Another question, this should be easy. I have an Onkyo receiver which all my devices are plugged into (Xbox, Cable, AppleTV, etc) and I run HDMI out of the Onkyo to the TV HDMI 1. it works great with my new S60. My issue is when I use the built in S60 apps like Youtube I get no audio. HDMI is two way audio right? Or do I need another audio type coming out of the TV into the Onkyo box?
EDIT: Got it working but the only way I could was running a separate optical cable from the TV to the receiver. Nothing over HDMI.
EDIT: Got it working but the only way I could was running a separate optical cable from the TV to the receiver. Nothing over HDMI.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Yeah, that's how I got it working. Just thought I wouldn't need it.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Double, but time for some photos. Got my Panasonic S60 yesterday and love it so far. Here's my set-up (glare is not noticeable here despite the photos).
Also here's my full living room. Panoramic shot, thus the weirdness.
Also here's my full living room. Panoramic shot, thus the weirdness.
HDMI audio is only 2 way if both the TV and the receiver support ARC (Audio Channel Return).
What's the screen size and how far would you say your TV is from your couch? Just curious. Looks nice.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
65", my couch is about 6 feet away from it, so sitting my body is about 7 feet away.
Looks glorius!!!! Dam I was going to go with the 50 incher but that 65 looks like the perfect size even though you are sitting pretty close
And you don't feel it's too big? I'm trying to decide on size and that seems similar to my set up.
Also, the glare doesn't bother you at all (as that's the big negative with this TV I've seen so far)?
Also also, is this TV mountable? From photos, it seems like the inputs in the back stick straight out, and the set itself doesn't look very flush. Just curious what you think.
jordan0386
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Westing...HDTV/5772998.p?id=1218694834215&skuId=5772998
If you have a credit card, go for it.
If you have a credit card, go for it.
Steve McQueen
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Sorry if mentioned before but it read in EDGE this morning. There is a very interesting website when your about to buy a new tv. The focus is on inputlag, which is very important when using the tv for gaming.
Check: www.displaylag.com
Check: www.displaylag.com
The Bookerman
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Hey Guys, I'm looking to buy a new tv to get ready for next gen: I'm interested in LED Tv's(don't try to sway me over to plasma's) and this one caught my attention:
Sony 50 " 1080p 120hz Passive 3d TV
I'm affraid of clouding issues though and I wonder if this TV will be affected.
Any other suggestions(OTHER than a Panasonic plasma.) I'm open for discussion.
Sony 50 " 1080p 120hz Passive 3d TV
I'm affraid of clouding issues though and I wonder if this TV will be affected.
Any other suggestions(OTHER than a Panasonic plasma.) I'm open for discussion.
Steve McQueen
Member
Sorry to quote myself, but according to the website I mentioned the inputlag for this TV is great ( 31ms ) so suitable for gaming.
The Bookerman
Member
What About clouding on led tv's?
That would be a bad idea. Westinghouse is a crap brand with almost universally poor performance, bad service network, and poor support. I'd notch it below Vizio. Never recommend either.
Here's a Westinghouse service story that is very par for the course from that crap brand:
http://consumerist.com/2013/02/04/m...eeks-westinghouse-digital-really-doesnt-care/
Westinghouse Digital has an "F" BBB rating. Almost 35% of their complaints had NO COMPANY RESPONSE. No one who has decided on LCD for a TV should even be considering Westinghouse TVs when you can get a Sharp on sale for similar money and will at least get a service network, better build and performance, and company support. And if you're a gamer, just save up and get a Panasonic ST series.
You won't find a single one without it. Varies from set to set how bad it is and how much clouding you are willing to accept.
The Bookerman
Member
heard some tv's don't have that problem because they are not edge lit?
If clouding is your biggest concern, I'd recommend and back lit LED LCD. Perhaps the best value in that spectrum would be the Vizio E series (under 55"). There is not a better LCD in terms of performance and features for the price.
Neuromancer
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You have an awesome looking place. Man I can't wait to get my new TV, have to get rid of the old one first though:
This old 34" CRT and I have been through a lot together. God damn thing weighs 200 pounds but damn if it wasn't a fantastic TV back in the day.
I mean, it's still crap
bumpkin
Member
Nice. Thanks for the link! The set I have currently (a 40" Sony Bravia LCD from 2006-ish) is still going strong, but we're thinking about upgrading soon. It's a bummer to see that all of Sony's highest rated sets as far as input lag are all more than I'm looking to pay right now; especially with a $1k purchase of an XB1 and PS4 on the horizon.
Still, good food for thought whenever some extra cash comes in.
If you take a look at the critical reviews online, Vizio is the best brand when it comes to features and performance for the price. In fact, both the E series and M series TVs outperform just about every other similarly spec'd and priced LCD in the market.
The difference you're seeing is mainly due to the extremely bright panels of LED LCD. In terms of overall performance, plasmas perform better. You are not only going to get more accurate and saturated color but also significantly better contrast, motion, and black level. You'd be surprised how much better plasmas perform when you aren't watching the in store loop of commercials and movie clips. In terms of real world performance, plasmas win easily when it comes to picture quality.
Steve McQueen
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Well, it's no plasma you know. It's a different tech and plasma is faster so less clouding. I've got a Panasonic plasma, two years old ,and downstairs a half year old Samsung LED. The LED is brighter, but that's the only advantage imo. Nothing beats plasma imo, the plasma completely destroys the LED in picture quality. What I like about the LED though is the thin bezel, which makes games look great.
Thinking about upgrading too, but then again, OLED is awesome, and maybe I should stick with my 'old' set
Bill Rizer
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It's horrible on anything more than 32". Doesn't matter if edge led or backlit, they all have it. It's only a matter of hiding it through ambient light and tv picture options.
It can really ruin every enjoyment out of your viewing time.
It's the single most deal-breaking factor I find about lcds. I really find it unacceptable you can't watch even a 2k$ tv in the dark without having a black (grey) screen full of light patches.
So glad I finally switched to plasma last year.
The Bookerman
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Once again, I'm not interested in plasma's. I don't get why folks here get all worked up about plasmas. They are cheaper and have better image quality according to GAF and yet most Tv manufacturers will market LCD/LED TV's more than their plasmas, and some tv manufacturers don't even make Plasma TV's.
SatoAilDarko
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Since most games for PS3 have native resolutions of 720p and upscale for 1080p would a 720p TV be better than a 1080p for these games? I.E. play the games in 720p instead of the upscaled 1080p the games support. If I play on a 720p television should I set the output signal to 720p or 1080p? When my Wii U auto-detects resolution for my Samsung 720p plasma it sets it to 1080p. Is there a difference? Which is better? Likewise would games that output 480p be better on a 720p television than a 1080p one? Thanks.
FrankNitty
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This is more due to the market in general. You have to realize that plasma generally has a stigma about it regarding burn in and brightness. Then factor in that it used to be more expensive then LCD. Lastly you have size. You can get a 80inch plus LCD for teh same cost as any of the big name manufactures flagship price. Plasma you are stuck with 65 unless you want to really drop dollars and get a VX from Panasonic
So all of that, coupled with LCd being easier and cheaper to produce. (1 sheet of motherglass which LCD is made from can be cut into 4 1080p 42 inch LCD)
Then look when you are in the store brightness attracts people. this has been seen time and time again. LCD gets brighter. So I mean it makes sense most manufactures make LCD
LCD is generally cheaper then plasma, the reason you are seeing them as more expensive is because the ones that want to be worth a damn are trying to get a PQ closer to what plasma can produce and that shit cost $.
As for LCd suggestions check out that W900 from sony, or if you can find it and money isn't an issue look at the Sony HX929 or if you can even find them now a Sharp Elite.
Or if you want to check out a bright plasma that is arguably one of the best tv's this year and capable of LCD brightness check out the Samsung F8500
As for lower end models I don't really look at those so cannot help you there as I do not know what your budget is.
Question to those that have the Panasonic ST60's, how bad is the input lag in actuality? I've seen the numbers online of how bad is it, but can you actually feel it while playing? I'm looking hard at that ST60, but I'm a little nervous about the input lag. I'm also considering the VT60, but that might be a little harder to sell my wife on.
And no I won't get an S60 because it doesn't have 3-D. Unlike the majority of Gaffers, I do enjoy playing games and watching movies in 3-D.
And no I won't get an S60 because it doesn't have 3-D. Unlike the majority of Gaffers, I do enjoy playing games and watching movies in 3-D.
Well, not really.
I still have my Sony 30'' XS HD CRT. Such a beast. Weighs too much though so I had to leave it at a family members house
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ZombieFred
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Just ordered the Panasonic VT65 and finally caved in. Damn I felt that fucking money spent and feel the pain! Arrives next Saturday!
runningjoke
Member
That's the world of marketing for you. I don't know if the tech is actually better or not, but I do know it's easier to sell LCD TVs because they typically look better in a brightly lit showroom.
Neuromancer
Member
Where'd you order it from? I'm thinking about ordering from Amazon but there are sites I've never heard of before that have it for cheaper, like this one.
http://www.alltimetvs.com/Panasonic...s_of_3D_glasses_included_2682.html?refid=Bing
WHOAguitarninja
Member
What you read about Impulse is true. I'll check tonight, but its generally a lot of the things that require significant processing. Live Color is still available, as are most things you would tweak to adjust the display to test patterns. Different color profiles are available (warm, neutral, etc). Reality Creation is also available in game mode. As are the local dimming options (which I don't find to be very effective, personally, though I'm used to Plasma)
I run in game mode all the time and think it looks fine. I watch movies and everything in game mode. I haven't done any direct a/b comparisons between game and cinema mode though.
Much appreciated
The main reason I asked is because game mode (and PC mode) on my older Samsung desaturates the colors, and I want to avoid anything like that.
Since you brought up the dimming, does it ever crush/hide dark details? Since you don't find it effective, do you simply disable it?
yup. or Elite if you are $$$$$$$
Azwethinkweiz
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I was reading in one of the lag input threads on avsforum that it returns very inaccurate results for plasma tv's. Can anyone confirm this?
someone needs to do comparison videos like that for the vt/zt models.
WHOAguitarninja
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Much appreciated
The main reason I asked is because game mode (and PC mode) on my older Samsung desaturates the colors, and I want to avoid anything like that.
Since you brought up the dimming, does it ever crush/hide dark details? Since you don't find it effective, do you simply disable it?
With Live color set to 'Low' (which according to HDTV test is the most accurate non calibrated way to run the display), this gives the most richly saturated colors i've ever seen on a screen. Pushing it beyond low will blow out the colors to very oversaturated levels. Don't worry about desaturation at all.
I disable local dimming. At least I think I have it disabled. It's either on low, or disabled. I dont notice much difference between low and disabled, either as a positive or negative.