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Just replaced my 2009 Panasonic 50 inch G10 Plasma with a newer 2012 Panasonic 55 inch UT50 Plasma 3D HDTV from Amazon. I did it all for my next gen gaming needs.

My new Plasma will be here in the morning at 9am! Can't wait! So stoked...my new custom built PC rig and my soon-to-be PS4 console will look lovely on my updated Panasonic Plasma HDTV..plus those extra 5 inches really do mean 20% screen size increase..should be pretty noticeable. I sit about 6.5 - 7 feet away from my current G10 50 inch.

Plasma's are still king in PQ and best for HD gaming/movie viewing in my honest opinion. I do plan on getting it professional calibrated as well.

There are many reasons why i went with the UT50 Panny...its simply the best bang for the buck in terms of quality and features.

Im in my late 30's now and i feel like a freaking kid again hahaha...im just so relieved next gen is finally here!!
 
velociraptor said:
More like don't accept a TV with more than 30 ms of input lag.

My Samsung has 40 and there is a pretty stark difference between gaming on this versus gaming on my Panasonic Plasma. I'm horrible at COD at my TV, acceptable on the plasma. Heh.
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For Panasonic Plasma TV's ..the reason why i went with the mid range 2012 UT50 was exactly for the lower input lag over the higher end 2013's VT60 and ST60 models. I was mostly concerned with input lag as much as PQ. The UT50 after doing extensive research has a input lag of around 34 or so..much like the lower model 2013 S60 model..not just from one person's examination but many, again after doing research.

A bit more info here of good reports on the UT50 lag http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406618/official-panasonic-ut50-series-discussion-thread/570
 
Danny-Boy said:
I've read a lot of reviews about the w802 and the black levels are the weakest point of the TV. They also suffer from clouding, dirty screen effect, and vertical banding. Still tempted to pick it up because of that 16ms game lag.
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With some tweaking, I'm pleased with the picture quality, and, for me, the 16ms input lag on a 55 inch LCD makes everything worth it. Picking this TV is making a choice for great gameplay and pretty goddamn nice picture. If picture quality is what you really want, tack on 500 dollars and get an amazing screen with the w900, but be prepared to tack on a few ms of lag. I could afford either, but I really just want to play ANY type of game on this TV (fighting and FPS especially).

If really low latency is your thing, there aren't many other options out there.
 
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people say how much better plasma is. Can you guys really not notice the dithering? From most store models I've seen, it's really bad. Like worse than any grain I've ever seen. And it's noticeable from far away.

Now, maybe I wouldn't notice it in my home... but I don't know why I wouldn't. The black level thing sort of becomes irrelevant when it's covered in weird grain, doesn't it? Although I'm willing to accept that maybe that store just got defective models...
 
Canon said:
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people say how much better plasma is. Can you guys really not notice the dithering? From most store models I've seen, it's really bad. Like worse than any grain I've ever seen. And it's noticeable from far away.

Now, maybe I wouldn't notice it in my home... but I don't know why I wouldn't. The black level thing sort of becomes irrelevant when it's covered in weird grain, doesn't it? Although I'm willing to accept that maybe that store just got defective models...
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Never ever use store models for reference unless the store is a high end shop. Even though I would dispute your issue with dithering on any decent plasma (the Panasonic I am looking at right now is a 2009 entry level set, and it has near flawless color consistency after years of use) the store has them turned up to torch mode.

But any plasma of the quality we are taking about (Panasonic, mid to upper tier Samsung) will be glorious in color, dithering is a non factor, and the blacks are inky.
 
I thought Plasma was pretty bad for gaming due to the image burn. I'm in the mood for a TV, nothing big, just like a 30"'er, something to replace my shitty toshiba. I want it for gaming. Any recs?
 
If money's not TOO big of an issue Sony's KDL-32W650A seems like it's probably one of the better choices, it's the smaller version of the model being shown off at TGS touting extremely low input lag.
 
Money isn't too big of an issue. I just want something that will look pretty damn good, and won't break down in a year. I've had a 55" Toshiba since 03-04 and it's gotten pretty damn bad. Most games look pretty bad now, and even regular TV watching is bad.
 
My dealer called me about the ZT they got back from the repair shop. The panel was replaced, and all should be good now. I suggested I'd go see it at the shop myself, but since they're in a bit of mess with them moving stuff around, he told me he'd have it delivered on my doorstep tomorrow.
So I guess that's that for my Sony W900, which I've been using for the past three weeks. I'm going to miss it. Playing a game like Need For Speed: Most Wanted with a bunch static HUD elements 'worry free', with pretty great picture quality and good motion handling (with Motionflow on) and low input lag just felt great for games. Sure, it's got it's flaws with the viewing angles and blacks that simply don't compare, but for gaming, that set felt perfect.

But I hope things will work out better for me this time. I'm really not even sure I should be watching a movie (in 2:35:1 format) when I receive the Panasonic tomorrow. I really don't know how to deal with image retention and the possibility of burn-in, especially with games. That first experience really shook me and left me paranoid about it.
 
kanuuna said:
I really don't know how to deal with image retention and the possibility of burn-in, especially with games. That first experience really shook me and left me paranoid about it.
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I feel you. My personality is such that I would fret over this all the time, but at the same time hey you bought it to use it and its not going to last forever no matter how much you baby it.

My parents have a high end panasonic from a few years ago and they pay no attention to what they are doing, watching 4:3 on TV and much widescreen 21:9 content. I watched a movie there the other day an didn't notice any burn-in. For the first few hundred hours just make sure to do more than just watch 21:9 and play games with static HUDs. Then after each viewing run a burn-in disc for an hour.

I'm sure it will be fine, if it was that bad people wouldn't be buying these TVs.

Glad to hear you liked the W900. I stopped short of buying one a few weeks ago and picked up some Klipsch reference speakers to replace my crappy old logitech system. I'm still thinking about a W900 (or X900 if there is another crazy drop) during black friday/boxing day
 
Upgraded my projector last week. Went from an Optoma GT750 720p to a BenQ w1080st at 1080p.

Even gained a few inches leaving me with a 178" display.


Oh yeah.
 
kinggroin said:
Upgraded my projector last week. Went from an Optoma GT750 720p to a BenQ w1080st at 1080p.

Even gained a few inches leaving me with a 178" display.


Oh yeah.
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Was there any input lag in the Optoma GT750 720p when using it with the consoles? How about the BenQ w1080st at 1080p?

I am really interested in getting the Optoma GT760 model.
 
kinggroin said:
Upgraded my projector last week. Went from an Optoma GT750 720p to a BenQ w1080st at 1080p.

Even gained a few inches leaving me with a 178" display.


Oh yeah.
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Ive been on the fence about a projector for some time. On one hand I have the perfect space for it, would love a 150" screen.

On the other hand even the most expensive projects I've ever seen in a demo room looked noticeably worse then any fixed pixel panel. There was always convergence and geometry issues. Those type of issues (along with Image retention) drive me nuts. I cant do plasma's as I find there flaws to destroy the image more than I can deal with (I dont know how any of you can deal with even light IR/Ghosting, its distracting)

My problem is I want everything perfect and it all has flaws.
 
I'm looking at a new TV as my current one has got some weird black smearing appearing and a entire row of pixels have stopped displaying anything.

Can anyone suggest a good tv, around 40"? as for price not bothered if its low priced or mid tier priced but nothing insane like over £500. Should add, I need 1 scart port, and at least 3 HDMI ports, 4 would be better. 100hz would be nice, 200hz amazing if possible. 3D is not needed at all.
 
kdash7 said:
Was there any input lag in the Optoma GT750 720p when using it with the consoles? How about the BenQ w1080st at 1080p?

I am really interested in getting the Optoma GT760 model.
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The GT750 is known as one of the best gaming projectors due to absurdly low latency. Its advertised as zero ms of lag.

Not sure if that's true, but its certainly as fast as even my Sony PC CRT! That's less than 30ms!

The BenQ is 27ms with everything post processing related, off. Zippy.

Pagusas said:
Ive been on the fence about a projector for some time. On one hand I have the perfect space for it, would love a 150" screen.

On the other hand even the most expensive projects I've ever seen in a demo room looked noticeably worse then any fixed pixel panel. There was always convergence and geometry issues. Those type of issues (along with Image retention) drive me nuts. I cant do plasma's as I find there flaws to destroy the image more than I can deal with (I dont know how any of you can deal with even light IR/Ghosting, its distracting)

My problem is I want everything perfect and it all has flaws.
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The biggest issue with projector setups is light control. In a commercial store, unless it's in a sealed room with no light exposed onto it, it won't look optimal at all. Geometry is only an issue if you don't mount or place your projector level. Again, an issue you'd find more often in a store demo room. Also, stick with single chip DLPs and you won't have to worry about any convergence issue whatsoever.

When setup correctly, your high end 60" plasma should not be wowing you as much as a decent DLP 1080p projector. Not at all.

If you'd like pics of my setup, I'd be happy to oblige
 
Just watched an episode of Planet Earth on my new VT60 with IFC on maximum and holy shit at the image quality, I'm definitely ready for next gen.

I highly highly recommend it for movies, havn't tried gaming on it yet because I've loaned my PS3 away to a friend and I don't want to bother plugging in my 360 again.
 
Icomp said:
Just watched an episode of Planet Earth on my new VT60 with IFC on maximum and holy shit at the image quality, I'm definitely ready for next gen.

I highly highly recommend it for movies, havn't tried gaming on it yet because I've loaned my PS3 away to a friend and I don't want to bother plugging in my 360 again.
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You will be even more blown away if you disable that shitty IFC.
 
I'm a big fan of Panasonic plasmas. I recently bought a ST50 (avoided the ST60 because of the input lag issue) and it's easily the best TV I've owned. Just make sure you do the 100 hour set up/calibration if you're gonna play games with static huds for long periods of time, and you'll never have an issue.

Edit: More info about my experience with burn in. The only thing that burned in to my ST 30 (or was it a 40... I bought it 3 years ago) was the symbol for the USA channel, and it's because I marathon'd Burn Notice on TV without first breaking in the set. The "danger zone" for plasmas in terms of burn in is generally in the first hundred hours. After that, every hour you use your TV will make it more burn in resistant (in theory). I have yet to notice any burn in whatsoever on my new ST50. If you want an extremely affordable (and big, if you go 65" like I did) TV with stunning picture quality, color reproduction, and black levels, go plasma.
 
I did an input lag test for my Dell 2709w monitor versus the Sony W802A, and it's about 30 MS higher. So 30 + 17 ms (allegedly for the Sony) = 47 ms. Around that. Sometimes it looks like it's only 10 ms higher, other times 40 ms, ETC.

I don't mind gaming on the Dell; couldn't tell a difference. So I'm thinking 30 ms higher than that (77 ms) for the Panasonic ST60 might not be a big deal for me.

If I do exchange the w802a, I'll be losing $300 since I got the w802a for a good price. I don't know what to do. I hate the viewing angles and black levels on the Sony, but the 3D and colors look nice.

I heard the ST60 improved its 3D in a firmware update in August - has anyone noticed that? And could someone (if they're not busy) post some photos of the ST60 running GTA V, or anything else?

I see someone posted Rayman Legends photos of the S60, I actually ran the game and got to that fire level and their screenshot seems to be missing some detail on the bottom of the screen (as in it's too black on the rocks, can't see the detail). Hard to go off just that though.
 
Canon said:
I did an input lag test for my Dell 2709w monitor versus the Sony W802A, and it's about 30 MS higher. So 30 + 17 ms (allegedly for the Sony) = 47 ms. Around that. Sometimes it looks like it's only 10 ms higher, other times 40 ms, ETC.

I don't mind gaming on the Dell; couldn't tell a difference. So I'm thinking 30 ms higher than that (77 ms) for the Panasonic ST60 might not be a big deal for me.

If I do exchange the w802a, I'll be losing $300 since I got the w802a for a good price. I don't know what to do. I hate the viewing angles and black levels on the Sony, but the 3D and colors look nice.

I heard the ST60 improved its 3D in a firmware update in August - has anyone noticed that? And could someone (if they're not busy) post some photos of the ST60 running GTA V, or anything else?

I see someone posted Rayman Legends photos of the S60, I actually ran the game and got to that fire level and their screenshot seems to be missing some detail on the bottom of the screen (as in it's too black on the rocks, can't see the detail). Hard to go off just that though.
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Unless he's managing exposure perfectly, chances are that shot is crushing colors and or blacks
 
Moving into a new place and thinking about getting a VT60. Because of the price of the 65" set I'm thinking about the possible 4k sets that could be in the ballpark in terms of price by next year. Has anyone heard of flashlighting or clouding being an issue on the 4k sets out there now? Clouding and flashlighting are why I switched to plasma and are totally unacceptable for me. Personally prefer a few minutes or seconds of IR than a lifetime of uneven lighting.
 
rmrivera said:
Moving into a new place and thinking about getting a VT60. Because of the price of the 65" set I'm thinking about the possible 4k sets that could be in the ballpark in terms of price by next year. Has anyone heard of flashlighting or clouding being an issue on the 4k sets out there now? Clouding and flashlighting are why I switched to plasma and are totally unacceptable for me. Personally prefer a few minutes or seconds of IR than a lifetime of uneven lighting.
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4K sets are still LED TVs so they have all the same issues with clouding/flashlighting (but IMO still look pretty good).
 
EasyMode said:
It's only 720p. You'll want a 1080p set for the PS4.
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I would love to buy a 1080p set 40" and up. but pretty much all of them are beyond the price I am willing to spend on one. Besides the fact with all the choices out there, it's a little difficult for me to figure out which one will provide the highest quality from the pack.
 
dallow_bg said:
Is $200 your limit? That's going to be difficult.
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If it's really that I'd consider one of two things:

1. Wait until a better opportunity comes along.

2. Buy a PC monitor, make sure it has HDMI and you may as well go 1080p. This may depend on your headphone situation, and you might want to make sure it's not a pain in the ass to adjust headphone volume.
 
simplythebest said:
I would love to buy a 1080p set 40" and up. but pretty much all of them are beyond the price I am willing to spend on one. Besides the fact with all the choices out there, it's a little difficult for me to figure out which one will provide the highest quality from the pack.
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Don't go with 720p man. If you can squeeze a little more out of your wallet at least get this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0074FGR74/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Unless your not buying a new console.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Closest is Sony's lineup. Ridiculously low input lag that is clearly built around gaming.
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Yeah I have a sony from a few years back with ~10ms tops. Still, it's not advertised as "gaming tv". I wonder why tho, seeing that the target demographic is very gaming affine. it's a huge market hole and the first to fill it in could make a huge profit.

I mean, just stating the input lag on the flyer would be enough for me. It's impossible to browse a store or the net without 3rd party support from other websites that have tested that stuff.
 
So people with the high end Panasonic plasmas: How thick are they? I can't seem to find any good images, just want to know how good they look wall mounted compared to a super thin LED.
 
Mr. Helios said:
So people with the high end Panasonic plasmas: How thick are they? I can't seem to find any good images, just want to know how good they look wall mounted compared to a super thin LED.
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I don't know if the VT60 is classed as a high end plasma but mine is 50mm thin.

Edit: This is the 50" by the way, the 65" ZT60 is supposedly 47mm thin. For comparison the F8005 (European model) is 38,4mm thin.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
It's nothing spectacular but on that kind of budget its a good value. My friend has one and it looks really good.
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Nice. I also need to upgrade from a 720p set to 1080p for next hen gaming. But my constraint is that I'm only ordering from Dell.com as I have a $100 gift card. These are the sets I'm looking at:

Samsung LED

and

Samsung Plasma

I want to stay under $900 and Dell only carries Samsung, LG, Vizio & Sharp sets. Which of those two sets are better did gaming, Blu Rays & TV? Or is there a better set on Dell I should look at?
 
Why is the Panasonic S60 not sold in Europe? All their other models are including the budget X60 which lacks Full-HD.

The more expensive ST60 has input lag issues which the S60 lacks and of course it's also cheaper. You have to go the the GT60 which costs like double of the S60 to get a great TV without input lag.

Really annoying and quite frankly puzzling.
 
Canon said:
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people say how much better plasma is. Can you guys really not notice the dithering? From most store models I've seen, it's really bad. Like worse than any grain I've ever seen. And it's noticeable from far away.

Now, maybe I wouldn't notice it in my home... but I don't know why I wouldn't. The black level thing sort of becomes irrelevant when it's covered in weird grain, doesn't it? Although I'm willing to accept that maybe that store just got defective models...
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I have a Panasonic 55ut50 and it does dither, but I only see it when im standing less than 3 feet away. From any kind of normal viewing distance for a 55" tv, there is no way anyone will see it, at least on my tv. I do have an eye for detail. I can tell the difference between HD broadcast, bluray, and upconverted dvd. God, do blurays look amazing on this tv.

Mr. Helios said:
So people with the high end Panasonic plasmas: How thick are they? I can't seem to find any good images, just want to know how good they look wall mounted compared to a super thin LED.
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Mine isn't "high end" its middle tier, but its new and only about 3" thick. With a tilting wall mount, it sticks about 6-7" off of the wall.
 
So I think I'm going to return my w802a this weekend. I just can't get past the vertical banding and DSE. Messing with the settings and lighting in my room in attempts to minimize it has given me nothing but grief the past few weeks. The left and right sides of the screen are brighter than the middle and I also see bands of varying brightness across the screen. It's mostly noticeable in brighter scenes and very noticeable in games when you pan across a view from one side to the other.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to upgrade to the w900a, which is a fairly steep price hike, but based on scouring the avsforum, it seems that screen uniformity is much less of a problem on this set. Is this because of the Triluminos? The owners' thread over there has largely positive impressions whereas the w802a thread seems to have many people reporting uniformity problems so I'm leaning against returning for another w802a when it will probably have the same issues.

I know all LED sets suffer from uniformity issues to some degree and I should go plasma to avoid all that so I'm also considering the VT60 (it's the same price as the w900a) in the back of my mind. My main issue is that I will primarily be gaming on this set and so input lag and IR are a big concern for me. Also I just learned about ghosting on plasmas when playing games that are sub 60fps? These seem like fairly big downsides, especially considering that many next gen games have already been confirmed to run at 30fps.

Man, it kind of blows my mind that there are so many compromises one has to make, even when spending a couple thousand dollars on a set. So frustrating!
 
I would love a Sony w900a. Even though it's only 55", I'd buy it if it was anywhere close to $1500 so fast.

It's $140 off if you consider my credit card's 5% cash back at Amazon and Amazon's 2% credit. Hmm. Lol
 
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