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Dee Dah Dave said:
Anyone know if/where it's still possible to get the 55" W905 or am I going to have to settle for the W829?

UK models and locations obviously. Thanks!
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When I purchased one at the beginning of June from the Sony outlet website the only other place that had stock was Currys/PCWorld.
Checked back and out of stock at both sites now.
If you can compromise on size, John Lewis has the 46" for £799 with a 5 year warranty.
 
sigh.

The vesa wall bracket, literally just 1kg of steel with different holes in it, and easily the simplest part Sony makes, is defective. In manufacturing they bent one of the plate wings inward. Short of stumbling upon a metalworking shop, I must now suffer through the returns process.
 
Crazymoogle said:
sigh.

The vesa wall bracket, literally just 1kg of steel with different holes in it, and easily the simplest part Sony makes, is defective. In manufacturing they bent one of the plate wings inward. Short of stumbling upon a metalworking shop, I must now suffer through the returns process.
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It's a PITA when shit like that happens. I went to mount my new Samsung to my racing rig and found that the 200x200 VESA fixings used larger bolts than the Sharp set being replaced, meaning I'd need a new bracket (the old one didn't have enough metal left to re-drill). With no patience I pulled some old timber from a skip and got busy with a drill and saw, and voila! - ghetto solution. I planned to engineer a proper mount but know what? It works a treat and isn't visible, so why waste any more energy on it?

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BruiserBear said:
That is surprising to hear you say that. Have you used rtings.com settings for the 800b?



The input lag on that tv is kinda high.



I had both in my home. Would choose the 800b without hesitation.
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I found the black levels on the Vizio to be a lot better. Less light leakage and less of that typical LCD "glow" you get in dark areas.
 
ajlian said:
When I purchased one at the beginning of June from the Sony outlet website the only other place that had stock was Currys/PCWorld.
Checked back and out of stock at both sites now.
If you can compromise on size, John Lewis has the 46" for £799 with a 5 year warranty.
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Yeah thanks I've seen the 46 incher on John Lewis but really want a 55. I have found a local smallish retailer who think they may have one in "box opened" condition, whatever that means, waiting to hear back from them.

TBH I may just go with the W829 anyway as by all acounts it seems to be a great TV in it's own right.
 
Mascot said:
It's a PITA when shit like that happens. I went to mount my new Samsung to my racing rig and found that the 200x200 VESA fixings used larger bolts than the Sharp set being replaced, meaning I'd need a new bracket (the old one didn't have enough metal left to re-drill). With no patience I pulled some old timber from a skip and got busy with a drill and saw, and voila! - ghetto solution. I planned to engineer a proper mount but know what? It works a treat and isn't visible, so why waste any more energy on it?
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That's an awesome ghetto solution, Mascot. Very clean build and invisible, as you say, from the front.

In the interest of family safety (<1yr old wandering about) and that I have to hang our set on the wall with a tilt mount, ghetto was not really an option for me, though I guess if I had some sort of industrial press or something nearby I would have just bent it back into shape. Kinda floored it made it through QA though, and mostly just mad I have to wait yet another week on something so simple.
 
ThirstyFly said:
Does anyone know for sure if the Sony KDL42W700B sold in Canada is the same as the KDL42W705 sold in the UK with the really low input lag?

I've tried googling around but I'm not having much luck.
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It should be. Bravia TV boxes like mine say "W79B" or "W80B" and drop the third digit entirely , apparently because that digit is just the region identifier and they don't want to print specific boxes. Edit: just make sure they are from the same model year...
 
I... hate buying TVs. This is one of those things where being technical-minded makes your life a living hell.

So I'm looking for a 40-ish inch TV that'll be used primarily for gaming. 1080p, hoping for a 2014 model since I just default to wanting the latest, and hoping to not go much over $500, so I'm pretty much limited to the bottom-of-the-line stuff.

At first I had been waffling between the Vizio E400i-B2 and the M422i-B1. The latter is $100 more expensive and does have a fourth HDMI port and slightly better picture, but it's supposed to have a good deal more input lag than the E400i (from what tiny info I can find on that particular model online). I finally settled on the E400i, but there's one nagging problem: A very large percentage of people who buy it complain of a clicking/humming noise when the set is off, and as this'll be used in a small bedroom, it would drive me insane, and I'm not sure unplugging the TV (or buying a power strip with a remote or something) is something I'd want to do.

After some more looking around I found the Sony KDL40W600B. It has a noticeable amount of motion blur, but fairly low input lag and it seems like it has a pretty good picture. It's $70 more than the cheap Vizio though, and the blur thing... I can't decide on anything. Maybe I should take my chances on the E400i and return it if it clicks? Or just go with the Sony? I hate TVs

Edit: It's a shame rtings doesn't have Vizio sets yet.
 
Does anyone have any input on the Sony KDL60W850B?

I just want to know if anyone can give me some feedback on this set, like is there any really bad image lag? Input lag isn't a huge issue with me but Ghosting/image delay drives me nuts, and I'm trying to find a TV that has really great picture, and little to no image lag.

I've seen the TV in person and I can't seem to find much if any image lag and the picture is pretty amazing even at showroom settings.
 
It took me awhile to hunt down a refurbished Sony BDP-S790, the discontinued Blu-ray player which has 2 HDMI outputs. The model that replaced it, the S7200, only has a single HDMI output making it useless for my specific requirement, which is outputting the video directly to the 65X900A for Blu-ray 3D support and outputting the audio to my older Denon receiver which only supports HDMI 1.3a.

The interesting thing about the 65X900A is that it is a 4K Ultra HDTV which utilizes Passive 3D, not Active 3D. Because the panel has twice the horizontal and vertical resolution of a 1080p TV, it's possible to simply use a polarized filter and display the left and right eyes as interlaced lines on the 4K panel. There are 1080p TVs which use Passive 3D but naturally on a 1080p TV, the 3D resolution is halved to 540p delivered to each eye. This TV delivers full 1080p resolution to each eye in Passive 3D, making it the absolute best solution available for displaying Blu-ray 3D because there is no need to display 2 frames in 1 synced refresh like Active 3D, creating crosstalk and reducing brightness by 50%. Furthermore, there is no need for fancy Active 3D glasses which must sync with the TV and have batteries which die. It's essentially 100% identical to the movie theater 3D experience, simple passive glasses with a polarized filter, a simple polarized filter overlaid over the X900A's 4K panel, and the TV just displays the left and right eyes at the same time by interlacing the frames.

I spent about 30 minutes watching the opening sequence of Avatar and it is absolutely the closest I have ever been to the 3D cinema in my home. There is no stereo crosstalk at all. There is no loss of brightness, and this is especially painful on 3D plasma TVs because of the ABL just breaking 3D playback. The 3D on my VT60 constantly had distractingly fluctuating brightness because of the ABL always kicking in, plus it wasn't full 1080p resolution since Panasonic opted to halve the chroma resolution in 3D.

It's too bad that Blu-ray 3D is already dead, because I've just experienced what 3D home cinema was supposed to look like and it's amazing. I have a few Blu-ray 3D movies kicking around I slowly collected on sale like Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides and I can't wait to watch them the way they were meant to be seen. I was never a big believer in 3D home cinema because of all the compromises that had to be made compared to 3D in movie theaters, but the real Blu-ray 3D experience is really just like the 3D in a movie theater. You just needed the right TV, and sadly no one ever made such a TV until the Sony 65X900A.

Note that the step-down 55X900A does not have full 1080p resolution in 3D mode. The 2014 B models use Active 3D for some stupid reason except the jumbo-sized 79X900B which uses Passive 3D, so sadly only a few people will ever be able to experience 3D the way owners of the 2013 65X900A will. Maybe LG will come through and implement Passive 3D on their upcoming 4K OLED TV, that would just be amazing.
 
Is anyone else disgusted that there's no 2014-model video display that has exceedingly deep black levels (0.001 ftL or deeper) with low input lag? If such a display doesn't come out in 2015, I'm taking a long break from this hobby until one does.
 
Russell said:
Is anyone else disgusted that there's no 2014-model video display that has exceedingly deep black levels (0.001 ftL or deeper) with low input lag? If such a display doesn't come out in 2015, I'm taking a long break from this hobby until one does.
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There is OLED.
Plus a few high end FALD LED sets coming out at the end of the year.
 
Finally opened up the 55" samsung LED. 6350 I bought recently.... Not feeling it :(. My 8 year old Panasonic plasma kicks it's ass in picture quality. No comparison!! I think I am going to return this and go for a plasma again. How is the burn-in issue in the new plasma tvs? Are they much improved in that area? Or I have to constantly worry about it?
 
Russell said:
Is anyone else disgusted that there's no 2014-model video display that has exceedingly deep black levels (0.001 ftL or deeper) with low input lag? If such a display doesn't come out in 2015, I'm taking a long break from this hobby until one does.
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Black levels aren't the be-all and end-all of PQ, otherwise all the movie theaters wouldn't be getting upgraded to Sony 4K Digital Cinema projectors which have black levels higher than your average Vizio. Sony uses the same SXRD (LCoS) technology in their 4K DCI projectors that they use in their home cinema projectors as it turns out and that's the technology now in 75% of digital theaters worldwide.

Low input lag is a problem that only Sony seem to have solved, and only because Sony are also one of the 3 major gaming platform holders so they actually care.
 
TrojanBlade said:
Finally opened up the 55" samsung LED. 6350 I bought recently.... Not feeling it :(. My 8 year old Panasonic plasma kicks it's ass in picture quality. No comparison!! I think I am going to return this and go for a plasma again. How is the burn-in issue in the new plasma tvs? Are they much improved in that area? Or I have to constantly worry about it?
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I'm dreading the day when my nine-year-old 50" Pioneer 506-XDE goes kaput. The PQ is still absolutely superb and pisses all over any LCD set that I've demo'd.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Maybe LG will come through and implement Passive 3D on their upcoming 4K OLED TV, that would just be amazing.
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I believe LG is passive only at this point with their "Cinema 3D" branding.The upcoming 1080P and 4K OLED displays are passive. If there is any truth to the rumors of Sony and Panasonic negotiating with LG to supply OLED panels then passive should be around for a while.
 
petethepanda said:
I... hate buying TVs. This is one of those things where being technical-minded makes your life a living hell.

So I'm looking for a 40-ish inch TV that'll be used primarily for gaming. 1080p, hoping for a 2014 model since I just default to wanting the latest, and hoping to not go much over $500, so I'm pretty much limited to the bottom-of-the-line stuff.

At first I had been waffling between the Vizio E400i-B2 and the M422i-B1. The latter is $100 more expensive and does have a fourth HDMI port and slightly better picture, but it's supposed to have a good deal more input lag than the E400i (from what tiny info I can find on that particular model online). I finally settled on the E400i, but there's one nagging problem: A very large percentage of people who buy it complain of a clicking/humming noise when the set is off, and as this'll be used in a small bedroom, it would drive me insane, and I'm not sure unplugging the TV (or buying a power strip with a remote or something) is something I'd want to do.

After some more looking around I found the Sony KDL40W600B. It has a noticeable amount of motion blur, but fairly low input lag and it seems like it has a pretty good picture. It's $70 more than the cheap Vizio though, and the blur thing... I can't decide on anything. Maybe I should take my chances on the E400i and return it if it clicks? Or just go with the Sony? I hate TVs

Edit: It's a shame rtings doesn't have Vizio sets yet.
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I can tell you my experience. The Vizio M422i-B is a beautiful set. The black levels are excellent for an LCD but the TV has unacceptable input lag for gaming. Games will be playable but the lag is very noticeable. The Sony 600B is a fine alternative. Picture quality is not quite as good and the streaming media apps not as robust but the input lug is very good. If your primary use for the TV is gaming, then the Sony is the only option.
 
I have been gaming and watching movies on my 50" Panasonic Plasma for some years. It's awesome, but I wanted to make an upgrade on the size. Size is the most important category when it comes to immersion.

After many months of research, I have finally found the perfect next step for me: A 1080p 3D DLP Projector.

That's it. I will transform my bedroom into a home cinema. I bought the Benq W1070, and I will build a 108" screen.

Can't wait to play my ps4 games and watch my huge Bluray collection on the new setup.
 
So, why do people still insist on calling the Vizios a garbage brand? I went to BB to see when they'd get the P series, and the salesmen told me "Avoid Vizio, all Vizios are cheap and the absolute worst quality TVs". Is that true anymore? With FALD around, even the e-series should be better then most LEDs around it's price.

Looking at my e-model, I mean for sub 500 it's amazing. It won't compare to the high end LED, but, surely my LED would be beating the pants off anything in it's price range. Looking at my friends LG, the blacks on my TV are better, and so is the color.
 
AlimNassor said:
So, why do people still insist on calling the Vizios a garbage brand? I went to BB to see when they'd get the P series, and the salesmen told me "Avoid Vizio, all Vizios are cheap and the absolute worst quality TVs". Is that true anymore? With FALD around, even the e-series should be better then most LEDs around it's price.

Looking at my e-model, I mean for sub 500 it's amazing. It won't compare to the high end LED, but, surely my LED would be beating the pants off anything in it's price range. Looking at my friends LG, the blacks on my TV are better, and so is the color.
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This year's Vizio line is a massive step up from previous years. They impressed me with the addition of local dimming zones at that price. They went from a pure "value" brand to offering good bang for the buck.
 
I have purchased the Vizio 2014 M Series in a 55 inch and couldn't be happier. 55 inches for 900 bucks from Amazon (no tax, free shipping, 27 bucks back in credit card reward points) is very reasonable for the quality of the picture at that price. For my budget it has worked great, games look beautiful on it!
 
Just got the Series 9 65 in' Samsung 2160p curved tv. Supposedly, it has slow response times( relatively). Shall update when I go hands-on.
 
I'm either getting a Vizio M series or a Sony 800M when I move but I'm torn between them. Both are a substantial improvement in PQ, size, and input lag from my current set. I care more about PQ than input lag so I'm leaning Vizio, especially since it'll save me a bit of cash.
 
BruiserBear said:
If it's a Sony you're almost guaranteed it's low.
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Fund this on another website

Top bar: 20.1 ms
Middle bar: 23.3 ms
Bottom bar: 26.2

Average: 23.2 ms
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Which is a little higher than I'd have wanted, but still far better than anything else in my price range with comparable picture quality. Apparently they're causing quite a stir on other forums.
 
RoboPlato said:
I'm either getting a Vizio M series or a Sony 800M when I move but I'm torn between them. Both are a substantial improvement in PQ, size, and input lag from my current set. I care more about PQ than input lag so I'm leaning Vizio, especially since it'll save me a bit of cash.
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You think that Vizio M have comparable PQ for blurays and gaming on PS4 than that W800b 50" Sony?

The W800b would be my next purchase too but if that damn Vizio looks like the Sony and cost less well the choise is obvious if we want to save some cash?

Im doind some research too lookign for the best one for teh next 6 or so years.
 
Raptor said:
You think that Vizio M have comparable PQ for blurays and gaming on PS4 than that W800b 50" Sony?

The W800b would be my next purchase too but if that damn Vizio looks like the Sony and cost less well the choise is obvious if we want to save some cash?

Im doind some research too lookign for the best one for teh next 6 or so years.
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It's really close between the two. I need to do more research myself to see which holds up better in areas I care the most about. Both have pluses and minuses.
 
I had my Bravia 60" 850B delivered this week. So far this TV is awesome and huge upgrade over my old Samsung 46" LNC430 (2010 model) in terms of overall picture quality.

I don't notice any input lag. What I like about this TV (and I didn't know that TV's could do this now) is that it automatically switches the display setting based on the content. I use my PS4 as my DVD/BR player. The TV can switch to game mode automatically when gaming versus playing a movie.

I think the contrast is much better then before. I've only been playing BF4, but for example on the DLC map Guilin Peaks, I can now see enemies and detail in the cave portion versus before it was all crushed to look black.

I was debating the Vizio M series, but due to conflicting reports on lag and some concerns about quality (probably just mental on my part) I went with the Sony and don't regret it one it.
 
TrojanBlade said:
Finally opened up the 55" samsung LED. 6350 I bought recently.... Not feeling it :(. My 8 year old Panasonic plasma kicks it's ass in picture quality. No comparison!! I think I am going to return this and go for a plasma again. How is the burn-in issue in the new plasma tvs? Are they much improved in that area? Or I have to constantly worry about it?
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Return it. I was looking at that panel, but the matte screen makes everything washed out. As soon as you step up to the 7150 or above, you get the Ultra Clear Panel (Gorilla Glass).

I think I'm getting the 55" 8550 4K model. The blacks on that baby can go head-to-head with plasmas and beat them in some scenes. Ultra Clear Panel + True Local Dimming = Plasma Blacks
 
Crazymoogle said:
Given that commercial is a year old and the fact that none of Sony's current TVs have that stand, it appears to be some previous year model that might be difficult to purchase. Specifically looks like the W802.
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It's the W802. This years 800B is a much better tv. Had both in my house.
 
Can anyone recommend a tv that actually does a good job as a gaming computer monitor? 30 to 42"? This will be on a desk, not a HTPC setup. Does such a thing exist???
 
BruiserBear said:
It's the W802. This years 800B is a much better tv. Had both in my house.
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Today I was going to pull the trigger on amazon for a 50 inch W800B but just to see how it is I went in to my local Best Buy and I have to say the picture quality was quite disappointing. I don't think the problem was the content they were playing either because it seems like something Sony would want them to run as a demo.

The competing Samsung TVs, especially the H7150 blew me away though. Not sure if I should buy that though since the latency is almost double that of Sony's. Damn decisions.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
It took me awhile to hunt down a refurbished Sony BDP-S790, the discontinued Blu-ray player which has 2 HDMI outputs. The model that replaced it, the S7200, only has a single HDMI output making it useless for my specific requirement, which is outputting the video directly to the 65X900A for Blu-ray 3D support and outputting the audio to my older Denon receiver which only supports HDMI 1.3a.

The interesting thing about the 65X900A is that it is a 4K Ultra HDTV which utilizes Passive 3D, not Active 3D. Because the panel has twice the horizontal and vertical resolution of a 1080p TV, it's possible to simply use a polarized filter and display the left and right eyes as interlaced lines on the 4K panel. There are 1080p TVs which use Passive 3D but naturally on a 1080p TV, the 3D resolution is halved to 540p delivered to each eye. This TV delivers full 1080p resolution to each eye in Passive 3D, making it the absolute best solution available for displaying Blu-ray 3D because there is no need to display 2 frames in 1 synced refresh like Active 3D, creating crosstalk and reducing brightness by 50%. Furthermore, there is no need for fancy Active 3D glasses which must sync with the TV and have batteries which die. It's essentially 100% identical to the movie theater 3D experience, simple passive glasses with a polarized filter, a simple polarized filter overlaid over the X900A's 4K panel, and the TV just displays the left and right eyes at the same time by interlacing the frames.

I spent about 30 minutes watching the opening sequence of Avatar and it is absolutely the closest I have ever been to the 3D cinema in my home. There is no stereo crosstalk at all. There is no loss of brightness, and this is especially painful on 3D plasma TVs because of the ABL just breaking 3D playback. The 3D on my VT60 constantly had distractingly fluctuating brightness because of the ABL always kicking in, plus it wasn't full 1080p resolution since Panasonic opted to halve the chroma resolution in 3D.

It's too bad that Blu-ray 3D is already dead, because I've just experienced what 3D home cinema was supposed to look like and it's amazing. I have a few Blu-ray 3D movies kicking around I slowly collected on sale like Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides and I can't wait to watch them the way they were meant to be seen. I was never a big believer in 3D home cinema because of all the compromises that had to be made compared to 3D in movie theaters, but the real Blu-ray 3D experience is really just like the 3D in a movie theater. You just needed the right TV, and sadly no one ever made such a TV until the Sony 65X900A.

Note that the step-down 55X900A does not have full 1080p resolution in 3D mode. The 2014 B models use Active 3D for some stupid reason except the jumbo-sized 79X900B which uses Passive 3D, so sadly only a few people will ever be able to experience 3D the way owners of the 2013 65X900A will. Maybe LG will come through and implement Passive 3D on their upcoming 4K OLED TV, that would just be amazing.
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You just made me want an x900a. I'm actually a big fan of s3D even though it never caught on in the home market, but why the death knell for Blu ray 3D? A google search shows several upcoming releases, and as far as I know there's no reason to believe it won't remain a healthy niche.
 
Digby said:
Can anyone recommend a tv that actually does a good job as a gaming computer monitor? 30 to 42"? This will be on a desk, not a HTPC setup. Does such a thing exist???
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The LG LN5300 line is great. I have my Xbox One, PS4 and PC hooked up to a 42" in that line.
 
Ocaso said:
You just made me want an x900a. I'm actually a big fan of s3D even though it never caught on in the home market, but why the death knell for Blu ray 3D? A google search shows several upcoming releases, and as far as I know there's no reason to believe it won't remain a healthy niche.
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I might be exaggerating a little bit, but there's no doubt that 3D has failed to catch on at all for home cinema. Part of it is the industry's focus on propping up movie theaters with 3D ticket sales, which is why they are keeping Blu-ray 3D movies so goddamned expensive to buy.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I might be exaggerating a little bit, but there's no doubt that 3D has failed to catch on at all for home cinema. Part of it is the industry's focus on propping up movie theaters with 3D ticket sales, which is why they are keeping Blu-ray 3D movies so goddamned expensive to buy.
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Well, that's certainly true. When Netflix announced support for 3D movies I thought that might give the format something of a boost, but for whatever reason they barely acquired any actual feature film content. The best thing I ever saw them offer was The Croods in 3D (which by the way, is a spectacular 3D experience, almost on par with Avatar), but they took it down after about 2 weeks. It seems Netflix 3D is destined to remain a "what if" scenario.

Personally I was hoping autostereoscopic sets would have reached the consumer market by now, but it's clear they haven't quite worked out the quirks in that. While that comes with its own set of drawbacks, I still think the glasses are the biggest obstacle to widespread adoption.

In any case, though they're bound to remain expensive as any niche market will, as long as I still have the option of buying Blu ray 3Ds for movies that are actually worth it, I'm happy.
 
Ocaso said:
Well, that's certainly true. When Netflix announced support for 3D movies I thought that might give the format something of a boost, but for whatever reason they barely acquired any actual feature film content. The best thing I ever saw them offer was The Croods in 3D (which by the way, is a spectacular 3D experience, almost on par with Avatar), but they took it down after about 2 weeks. It seems Netflix 3D is destined to remain a "what if" scenario.
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It doesn't sound like the film studios are interested enough, basically. 3D versions are not piggy-backing onto the hotel contracts where a lot of new Netflix content comes from, the studios aren't terribly interested in cutting cheap deals, and from Netflix's side it sounds like they just aren't getting enough interest to license multiple versions of films.

Personally I was hoping autostereoscopic sets would have reached the consumer market by now, but it's clear they haven't quite worked out the quirks in that. While that comes with its own set of drawbacks, I still think the glasses are the biggest obstacle to widespread adoption.
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Auteostereoscopic screens are basically a cost casualty at this point. The increases cost and failure rate of what is essentially two screens just isn't getting the interest of cheaper, more obvious tech like 4K and curved screens. 3D just has too many problems, from convergence issues to glasses to cheap post-conversions that people don't really believe in it as a selling feature anymore.
 
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