Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

Okay I finally spent 30 min to configure the brightness/contrast/colour settings on my tv this weekend. I have to say, it actually made a difference.

I was very surprised when I opened up a calibration images that right side of all the colour spectrum's was completely washed out and over saturated. The last 5-6 blocks on the right were all the same. Blue was the worst.

I used this on the browser on my PS3:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php
 
Shahadan said:
My mom wants to buy me a TV for christmas and I have a hard time choosing between the Sony W705b and a Samsung H6400, the latter being a bit cheaper.
I don't know why but I've more faith in Sony than Samsung regarding quality on the long term but it might just be some misconception.

I don't really care about 3D and stuff either way, I'd just like a good image quality. I've started to look into reviews and shit and it's a nightmare. I had no idea buying a TV was so complicated.
Apparently input lag is better on the Sony tv but I doubt there is a huge difference.

Are they basically the same thing or is one better than the other?
Please help ;(
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I got a 50w705b a few days ago, pretty happy with it if we ignore a strange tiny dark spot on the screen, I chose the Sony because of the better input lag (PS4) although the Samsung is better value overall I'd say, plus (some reviews say) it has a bit better motion clarity.
 
Bad_Boy said:
I'm looking to get a 65" 4k soon.

You guys think a tv will be cheaper on black friday or in january after ces?
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I have the 65XBR850a and it's amazing. I got it when the new 2014 models came out since it dropped to a price I was okay with.

Lag-wise I have no idea the actual number but in game mode it's pretty non-existant (for me).
 
bigb0ss said:
Sony KDL-65W850A

Pretty much the ultimate gaming TV. The only negative is the color shift if you're not looking at it from the center.
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This is last year's model and discontinued. You're not likely to find a new one at this point.

I talked about the 65W850A further back in this thread somewhere. Ultimately mine went back to the store and I ended up with a 4K 65X900A instead, no regrets.
 
Banamy said:
I narrowed it down to these http://i.imgur.com/LTgRBgE.png


I'm really bad at making decisions about TVs, so whichever you think is best, I'll probably get to be honest!
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Everyone has different preferences when it comes to TVs but I like Sony color and detail. I bought a way more expensive Sony 4K a month back, but it has the same operating system as this 40" model and I'm really happy with it. The 40w600 is good for that price, costs more in Best Buy right now.
 
Banamy said:
I narrowed it down to these http://i.imgur.com/LTgRBgE.png


I'm really bad at making decisions about TVs, so whichever you think is best, I'll probably get to be honest!
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I just bought the Sony KDL40W600B a few days ago, upgrading from a 32" 720p LG. The upgrade is astounding. The input lag is low too, good for gaming.

Only downside is the viewing angles, but it doesn't bother me as I sit directly in front of the TV.
 
hoverboarder said:
Everyone has different preferences when it comes to TVs but I like Sony color and detail. I bought a way more expensive Sony 4K a month back, but it has the same operating system as this 40" model and I'm really happy with it. The 40w600 is good for that price, costs more in Best Buy right now.
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I'm not sure if I should wait til black Friday. My brother is highly recommending a plasma with a high hz
 
Just bought a Samsung 60" on impulse!

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_30560H7150/Samsung-UN60H7150.html?tp=35945

Seems like a nice panel, love the look.

h30560H7150-o_right.jpg
 
DaCocoBrova said:
Just bought a Samsung 60" on impulse!

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_30560H7150/Samsung-UN60H7150.html?tp=35945

Seems like a nice panel, love the look.
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Congrats! Looking forward to some impressions. I gave the 75" model a spin in Futureshop a few weeks ago, and am now leaning heavily towards it over the 70" Sony W850b.

If you have a chance, could you confirm whether or not the H7150 outputs 5.1 over optical? Can't find a definitive answer online. It's a small thing and very few TVs seen to do it, but I'd find it extremely useful with my current sound set up.
 
Banamy said:
I'm not sure if I should wait til black Friday. My brother is highly recommending a plasma with a high hz
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Only plasma left on the market in that range is a 51" Samsung and it's not very good as far as plasmas go. Also, it's a plasma. Some are fans, I'm not one of them. Virtually unwatchable in the daytime, more energy consumption, lower life than LED, and unlikely but still capable of burn in.
 
hoverboarder said:
Only plasma left on the market in that range is a 51" Samsung and it's not very good as far as plasmas go. Also, it's a plasma. Some are fans, I'm not one of them. Virtually unwatchable in the daytime, more energy consumption, lower life than LED, and unlikely but still capable of burn in.
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You referring to the f8500 friend?
 
hoverboarder said:
Only plasma left on the market in that range is a 51" Samsung and it's not very good as far as plasmas go. Also, it's a plasma. Some are fans, I'm not one of them. Virtually unwatchable in the daytime, more energy consumption, lower life than LED, and unlikely but still capable of burn in.
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Don't listen to this man.
 
Mohonky said:
Many other plasmas with better blacks? Like what? The last VT and ZT Panasonic, but none else.
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Of those that came out recently - absolutely true. But including all Plasmas that ever came out (including Kuro series) the black levels of the F8500 are merely "good".

Besides, many LED/LCD TV nowadays have PSA/AMVA/UV2A Panels with native contrast ratios around 4000-6000:1, thus beating the F8500.
Although to be fair compared to Plasma they often have clouding issues, due to the use of backlight, and the uniformity of illumination on a black field will be highly dependable on the viewing angle.
In that regard a Plasma with the same black levels will always beat an LED/LCD,
 
What's the best 39-42" TV selling nowadays sub-$500? Preferably VA panel. No smart-functionality needed. I'm looking at the Samsung UN40EH5000 but am wondering if there are any other viable options. Is the Samsung panel lottery still a 'thing'?
 
So I was going through the video options on my W800b and saw a feature called SBM(Super bit mapping) should I leave that on or turn it off? NFI what it does lol
 
my 42" samsung plasma has crapped out. had it about 5 years now. well it works but the display is failing.

looking to get a new tv. nothing special. just a cheap 42" tv to replace it.

i was looking at this one for £319:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00IOQ5XC2/

my friend has the exact same tv and it looks quite nice. is panasonic a good make? sorry if that's a stupid question! not too knowledgeable about the TV market.
 
Hurley said:
So I was going through the video options on my W800b and saw a feature called SBM(Super bit mapping) should I leave that on or turn it off? NFI what it does lol
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It's a noise reduction feature that works to smooth out gradients. It should be off for gaming but for TV it depends how much of a purist you want to be.
 
Samsung fire sale continues...
Amazon slashed the prices of the f8500's by another $200.
51" is $1197.99, 60" is $1697.99, 64" is $2497.99.

These are great prices for the best 1080p set you can buy atm.
 
Quick question for plasma owners, specifically VT60s...

As far as image retention goes, my panel loves to retain hold onto HUDs and the like, particularly Destiny's lower-left sector. It often takes around a week to fade, so it doesn't bother me a whole lot (panel's probably at ~300hrs now).

My question is, I've been away and haven't used it in about 2 months. When I returned, the IR was still here. I wasn't hugely surprised as it's often a case of 'clearing' it by displaying other content on the screen. However, is it potentially damaging to leave the panel off for this long when there's IR? Does it matter if it's not cleared immediately?
 
I'm starting to get quite confused about my next tv. I've been looking in the 46"-50" range, and my requirements are that the tv has good picture and works well for games, hd movies and SD tv content. 3D is also a nice-to-have. I do like using it on the 3DS, and I always enjoy seeing a movie in 3D at the cinema. So, I'm a fan of it.

I've been looking at the Samsung 48H6400 (48"), as well as the Sony KDL 705B (50") and the Sony KDL 829B (50").

From reading up all I can on the tvs, it seems that Samsung has by far the best 3D quality of them. However, it does not appear to do gaming very well. The input lag is around 42ms in "game mode", and I've also discovered that "game mode" locks the picture and colour options to the default (read: excessively bright and garish, like a shop floor look) settings. That pisses me off. I have a 6 year old Samsung LCD, and the game mode is so ugly, that I don't bother using it. Instead, I end up dealing with probably 80-100ms of input lag on all titles as a result (which is not unplayable, tbh - but if I can do better, why not? I'm no hardcore gamer, though).

In terms of the two Sonys, the 705 is 2D-only, but apart from that seems to be pretty much the same for picture quality and input lag (read: 14ms in "game mode") as the 829. The only difference being the 829 has 3D. However, the 3D implementation for the 829 is apparently rubbish (especially compared to the Samsung), so that's that, I suppose.

Now, the Sony seemingly allows you to make colour and brightness adjustments while in "game mode", so that's a major plus as it means it can actually be used.

On the other hand, the two Sonys are edge-lit, and lots of reviews mention clouding and backlight bleed as possibilities. I've read of a 30%+ variation in the picture from centre-screen to the edge. That shit pisses me off too (though maybe they can be worn-in and the clouding will disappear).

I'm not 100% sure, but it seems the Samsung is direct-lit, which would be a major plus point as it would give much better uniformity to the picture quality. But, worryingly, I've also seen it described as edge-lit on a couple of sites. I can't seem to find an answer.

So the three choices are as follows:
(i) Samsung 48H6400 - great 3D, uniform picture (I hope), high input lag - €720
(ii) Sony KDL 705 - no 3D, possible clouding, very low input lag - €820
(iii) Sony KDL 829 - poor 3D, possible clouding, very low input lag - €930

Fuck, I didn't know it was gonna be this hard. Anyone have any thoughts to share with me on this? Or any other recommendations? I'd appreciate the input...
 
Ok, GAF, I am thinking about getting a 32" TV, should I go for a 1080p screen? Budget is about 250€-300€.

Also, LG TVs seem to produce some artifacts in the image, at least the ones displayed on the stores. Samsung image quality is average from what I see.

What brands do you recommend?

Thanks.
 
Today I was in Best Buy helping a friend buy a TV. He wanted something to help him kick but in COD so I recommended he get the X850B by Sony for the great input lag. Anyway while I was there I got to see an LG OLED 55inch curved TV. WOW!!! It was a 1080p set but it looked amazing. You can tell its 1080p but because its so bright and the blacks are so black it looked incredible. You cannot tell where the bezel is when there is a black image near it. Dark colors and bright colors are next to each other but not bleeding into each other is amazing. The only thing is that its a bit unnaturally bright and makes the images look a little over exposed. Obviously with some calibration it could be corrected but it was still impressive. The TV is super thin too. Any thickness is attributed to the need have a place for the processors and inputs. It's like cell phone thin! Go to a Best Buy and check it out for yourself.
 
iMax said:
Quick question for plasma owners, specifically VT60s...

As far as image retention goes, my panel loves to retain hold onto HUDs and the like, particularly Destiny's lower-left sector. It often takes around a week to fade, so it doesn't bother me a whole lot (panel's probably at ~300hrs now).

My question is, I've been away and haven't used it in about 2 months. When I returned, the IR was still here. I wasn't hugely surprised as it's often a case of 'clearing' it by displaying other content on the screen. However, is it potentially damaging to leave the panel off for this long when there's IR? Does it matter if it's not cleared immediately?
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I have an ST60, after about 20 or 30 mins just go into your options in the game and adjust your screen bounds in the game. It simply moves the placement of your HUD. This is for Destiny but I know several games have this option as well.
 
REK said:
Today I was in Best Buy helping a friend buy a TV. He wanted something to help him kick but in COD so I recommended he get the X850B by Sony for the great input lag. Anyway while I was there I got to see an LG OLED 55inch curved TV. WOW!!! It was a 1080p set but it looked amazing. You can tell its 1080p but because its so bright and the blacks are so black it looked incredible. You cannot tell where the bezel is when there is a black image near it. Dark colors and bright colors are next to each other but not bleeding into each other is amazing. The only thing is that its a bit unnaturally bright and makes the images look a little over exposed. Obviously with some calibration it could be corrected but it was still impressive. The TV is super thin too. Any thickness is attributed to the need have a place for the processors and inputs. It's like cell phone thin! Go to a Best Buy and check it out for yourself.
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No one's buying it. I've seen it playing other videos that aren't pre-rendered for display and it looks just okay. The white light throws off the rest of the color. Also Oled doesn't last long enough even with the white light. Sony X850 which is dynamic edge lit and 4k over 1080 for half the price looks way better. But then, I own one and might be a little biased. :)
 
shocktrooper said:
Of those that came out recently - absolutely true. But including all Plasmas that ever came out (including Kuro series) the black levels of the F8500 are merely "good".

Besides, many LED/LCD TV nowadays have PSA/AMVA/UV2A Panels with native contrast ratios around 4000-6000:1, thus beating the F8500.
Although to be fair compared to Plasma they often have clouding issues, due to the use of backlight, and the uniformity of illumination on a black field will be highly dependable on the viewing angle.
In that regard a Plasma with the same black levels will always beat an LED/LCD,
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That's not even true. It goes Kuro > ZT > VT = F8500.

It's easily in the top 5. Merely good ?
 
REK said:
Today I was in Best Buy helping a friend buy a TV. He wanted something to help him kick but in COD so I recommended he get the X850B by Sony for the great input lag. Anyway while I was there I got to see an LG OLED 55inch curved TV. WOW!!! It was a 1080p set but it looked amazing. You can tell its 1080p but because its so bright and the blacks are so black it looked incredible. You cannot tell where the bezel is when there is a black image near it. Dark colors and bright colors are next to each other but not bleeding into each other is amazing. The only thing is that its a bit unnaturally bright and makes the images look a little over exposed. Obviously with some calibration it could be corrected but it was still impressive. The TV is super thin too. Any thickness is attributed to the need have a place for the processors and inputs. It's like cell phone thin! Go to a Best Buy and check it out for yourself.
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Your experience reflects the truth. If picture quality is the most important thing to you, OLED is the only choice. It's all about black level, and LCD/LED is garbage when it comes to that. Don't let anyone tell you differently.
 
I went by Best Buy last night and checked out the LG OLED with some demo material. Someone had stolen the remote for it so I had to use a Vizio remote instead which only supported some functions. The contrast and colors on this set are just amazing. Viewing angles are pretty great and black levels are sublime. Sure, I would prefer a flat screen, but honestly the gentle curve on this set did not bother me at all. I didn't notice much in the way of screen uniformity issues such as banding or DSE, which automatically puts it above any LCD in my book as those are my biggest problems with the technology.

I did run into a few issues that may be correctable via updated firmware or settings changes:

Judder - The set didn't always seem to be able to keep up with the frames it was playing back from my videos. During pans, frames would get dropped and occasionally there was even a torn frame like on a game.

Black Crush - While the blacks were indeed inky, shadow detail was lost. I'm sure I could have corrected this at least somewhat if I had the actual remote.

ABL - Scenes with a mixture of light and dark elements were punchy and bright, but much like on a plasma, scenes of almost pure brightness (White title screens, desert scenes, etc.) were strangely dimmed. I found this obvious and distracting but I'm sure plasma users wouldn't even notice. Unlike a plasma, there was no buzzing!

hoverboarder said:
No one's buying it.
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Really? Because my store was sold out. In fact they were sold out across the region.
 
Just to add another pro-plasma voice, I picked up an old 50" Panasonic GT50 a month ago, and it's absolutely blown away every other LCD/LED/Projector I've ever owned, whether it's using it for games/movies/TV/anything.

You really, really notice the motion blur when switching back to LCD/LED after using one of these for a while, and the colours are just sublime. Game mode seems plenty bright for my daytime purposes, and there's also no issue with input lag for me. I use a mouse quite often so it usually shows up pretty quickly.

To think I steered clear of them for years because of all the perceived negatives! Balls.
 
I picked up a Panasonic TH-42PH30U professional plasma super cheap online. It's only 720p, but I picked it up primarily for gaming and as a secondary TV. (It was only $250 NIB, so I took a chance on it.) I unfortunately couldn't really find ANYTHING about it online. It has a pretty awesome assortment of inputs, but sadly only 1 HDMI input, lol.

Does anyone know anything about it, or "professional" Panasonic plasmas in general? How does it fair compared to their regular retail line? (Obviously it lacks a tuner, but that doesn't matter to me.) I have only used it for about an hour or so. Watched a little bit of Netflix, and tried out TLOU:R on it to see how it looked. (It looked good!)

Lastly, this is also my first plasma TV, and while it is old stock (manufactured in Feb 2013) it is only getting used for the first time. Is there any precautions or 'break-in' steps I should be taking?

Thanks in advance!
 
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