Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

I would like to see some receipts to back up your claim
The OLED is well known to have pretty terrible video processing and motion. Undefeatable DNR, pretty noticeable SDE. These are just a result of LG being extremely mediocre at these things. You can't just put an OLED panel on something and it will automatically be a perfect TV.

I'd expect Panasonic's OLED will be significantly better in that regard.
 
The OLED is well known to have pretty terrible video processing and motion. Undefeatable DNR, pretty noticeable SDE. These are just a result of LG being extremely mediocre at these things. You can't just put an OLED panel on something and it will automatically be a perfect TV.

I'd expect Panasonic's OLED will be significantly better in that regard.

You mean the judders that i read about? Cause i also read you can reduce that to a level that you'll barely see it. What do you mean with DNR and SDE?
 
PC mode is fine for low input lag for gaming? And also good for picture quality? I assume game mode cannot be enabled in combination with PC mode?

Both can be enabled at the same time. I find the Game preset PQ isn't as good though, I put mine in Cinema + PC mode. No idea on the lag for this, but it feels fine to me.

I've had none of the vertical banding some people are talking about, at least in normal content. Must vary in severity depending on the panel.
 
Both can be enabled at the same time. I find the Game preset PQ isn't as good though, I put mine in Cinema + PC mode. No idea on the lag for this, but it feels fine to me.

I've had none of the vertical banding some people are talking about, at least in normal content. Must vary in severity depending on the panel.

Input lag is ok for most games except for shooters though. The Sony W829b had like 90ms in cinema mode and that was unplayable for a shooter like BF or Halo. I'll make sure to enable both modes and the settings you are using to get a good impression.

In fact, i just found out that a store here has this OLED on display. I have been there before to test out my console on a TV before buying it, so it's probably a good idea to do that again. I believe they also have the Samsung JS8000 or 8500 on display. Two birds with one stone basically. Try em both out before making the purchase. I might do that.
 
I use PC mode + expert 1 (to get full 20 point adjustment). Input lag is fine to me. Didn't notice anything playing Halo or Forza.

Ok that sounds good. If it's fine for Halo, it's gonna be fine for any shooter.

Those two issues don't sound like minor issues to me though. I wish i wasn't so picky, but i already know if am gonna be noticing those things. What does DNR exactly mean for this TV? Usually i always disable those options but i never really see a big difference. What happens on this TV with that setting?

And DSE is only during dark scenes i heard? What exactly do you see?

Both can be enabled at the same time. I find the Game preset PQ isn't as good though, I put mine in Cinema + PC mode. No idea on the lag for this, but it feels fine to me.

I've had none of the vertical banding some people are talking about, at least in normal content. Must vary in severity depending on the panel.

Yeah it absolutely sucks that all panels can't be the exact same. It sounds like you just gotta be lucky to have one without any real issues. Never had that luck before.
 
haven't been keeping up on plasmas, still rocking my 2007 Kuro. Are they pretty much done now? I know Panny stopped making them (have a 42ST30 for my bedroom).
 
I got the 55" 2015 model for Sony and it is fantastic. It's an android TV which was random but the picture and sound is absolutely spot on.

Nice.

I'm going for the 65 w850c this week.

Was gonna get OLED but am tired of waiting for LG to release the 910V model. (upgrade from 930T 2014 model with faster processor). And LG are no help in providing a release date.
 
Both can be enabled at the same time. I find the Game preset PQ isn't as good though, I put mine in Cinema + PC mode. No idea on the lag for this, but it feels fine to me.

I've had none of the vertical banding some people are talking about, at least in normal content. Must vary in severity depending on the panel.



I use PC mode + expert 1 (to get full 20 point adjustment). Input lag is fine to me. Didn't notice anything playing Halo or Forza.

So your guys panel doesn't suffer from the dirty screen effect and the undefeatable DNR is not giving you any issues? I thought i had found the 'perfect' TV, one to finally go for and not have to worry too much about issues. And sure, most of the TV i previously owned had their own issues as well. Well except probably for the Sony W829, aside from some backlight bleed though it was quite alright. And i don't mind some minor verticle banding, especially if it's only during certain parts like bright scenes. My VT30 plasma had that, very visible banding when looking into the sky in Skyrim and of course the terrible green blobs that made snow look like grass.

Question for the Samsung people here. I now know the JS8500 and JS9000 are some good alternatives if it the OLED doesn't work out for me. But in terms of price it's still very close to eachother. But what if i am looking for a Samsung around the 1000 to 1500 euros/dollars? Is there a site that lists all the Samsung sets from over the years? So that i can easily find out what the predecessors of the JS8500 are for example?
 
Right now I'm using a 42LB5600 from LG in my gaming room. Screen size aside,is there anything worth upgrading to that has a significantly better picture?
 
I'd expect Panasonic's OLED will be significantly better in that regard.

And that Panasonic OLED will be significantly more expensive...
Available in Europe during October 2015, the stunning 65-inch OLED model will be priced at 10,000 Euros. At the current exchange rate, that’s roughly $11,147 in American currency. That price is nearly twice as much at the 4K OLED models currently sold by LG.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...led-pricing-affordable-in-two-to-three-years/

The LG OLED is back to $7,000 so the 65JS9500 is the only contender left for me. If Sony came out with a 65" version of the X940C instead of the edge lit X930C I'd probably have one by now. Vizio will be at CEDIA in early October where they are expected to announce the R series rollout and maybe the new P series. I want 3D support so Vizio is out but their pricing may force Samsung into another round of price drops so the wait continues a little longer.
 
Well, I'm just glad that OLED is happening. It isn't pure OLED yet (essentialy black&white image with rgb filters but that will do for now.

I'd say I'll buy my Panasonic oled in about four years time for about 2500 €
 
When ever I enable HDMI UHD Color it disables film mode (24p), game mode, and my PC defaults to 1080p (with no option to change it to 4k resolutions). Is it because my GPU doesn't support it (660 GTX) or what? It works fine when I disable it but I thought the 4:4:4 thing was ideal...

I have the Samsung JU7100
 
So what are these issues? Yet another couple problems I haven't heard about for OLED. Unless I have heard about them as something else. I am guessing the "Screen Door Effect" is the banding?

The DNR function cannot truly be turned off completely, so if you have a movie that should have a certain amount of film grain it tries to clean it. Which is bad since it would ideally supposed to be there.

The Screen Door Effect I haven't heard of the OLED's having this, but I haven't fully been keeping up until lately. But what screen door effect is where you can see the pixel structure Best way to explain it is when you get really really close to your screen you can see the pixel format, which is pretty normal. Screen Door Effect is like that but you can see it from normal viewing distances generally.

I'm actually thinking he meant DSE. Dirty screen effect which they have at near black. Its basically a uniformity defect
 
Ok so this just happened. I had ZERO intention of buying a new TV anytime soon until I saw one instore. It's easily the most I've ever spent on a TV and dear god I hope its worth it. It cost more than my BenQ projector+125" screen!

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The DNR function cannot truly be turned off completely, so if you have a movie that should have a certain amount of film grain it tries to clean it. Which is bad since it would ideally supposed to be there.

The Screen Door Effect I haven't heard of the OLED's having this, but I haven't fully been keeping up until lately. But what screen door effect is where you can see the pixel structure Best way to explain it is when you get really really close to your screen you can see the pixel format, which is pretty normal. Screen Door Effect is like that but you can see it from normal viewing distances generally.

I'm actually thinking he meant DSE. Dirty screen effect which they have at near black. Its basically a uniformity defect

The first part sounds like it's a terrible TV for movies, but that's probably not the case, right? I assume it only happens at times? I'm definitey gonna be checking out some movies on BR and on Netflix, so hopefully that's all ok.

The other thing you explained sounds similar to when i sat very close to a plasma TV when i still had one, is that it? But you then see it from a normal viewing distance? Hmmm...but if that's not it as you said it probably isn't...how bad is DSE? Let's say i am playing a game like The Evil Within with a very dark part or Witcher 3 during nighttime ingame, am i then going to see things that shouldn't be there?

Ok so this just happened. I had ZERO intention of buying a new TV anytime soon until I saw one instore. It's easily the most I've ever spent on a TV and dear god I hope its worth it. It cost more than my BenQ projector+125" screen!

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Oh snap, awesome man. Congrats! That's the EC9300?
 
Nice.

I'm going for the 65 w850c this week.

Was gonna get OLED but am tired of waiting for LG to release the 910V model. (upgrade from 930T 2014 model with faster processor). And LG are no help in providing a release date.
It releases in about 2-3 weeks here in Europe. That's nothing when it comes to TVs. I'd most definitely wait. An Edge Led Sony or an OLED. Cmon now, or was that "direct led" nonsense screen. Either way, OLED wins 100-0.
Right now I'm using a 42LB5600 from LG in my gaming room. Screen size aside,is there anything worth upgrading to that has a significantly better picture?
Yes. Your TV is a mid-tier edge led screen. If you don't have any idea what a high-end TV looks like you're in for a surprise. Black levels, colors, picture quality - go to a store and look at LGs new OLEDs for example.
Ok so this just happened. I had ZERO intention of buying a new TV anytime soon until I saw one instore. It's easily the most I've ever spent on a TV and dear god I hope its worth it. It cost more than my BenQ projector+125" screen!

20150906_202120_zps7jcthjqp.jpg
Please, use imgur or something else. Photobucket should die away ;_; cant even zoom to that picture on mobile.
 
Pulled the trigger on a Sony 65 850C yesterday among other things.

We'll see how this goes, not sold on LG OLED pricing or other issues.

I'll probably get another one next year, but this should do for now.
 
The first part sounds like it's a terrible TV for movies, but that's probably not the case, right? I assume it only happens at times? I'm definitey gonna be checking out some movies on BR and on Netflix, so hopefully that's all ok.

The other thing you explained sounds similar to when i sat very close to a plasma TV when i still had one, is that it? But you then see it from a normal viewing distance? Hmmm...but if that's not it as you said it probably isn't...how bad is DSE? Let's say i am playing a game like The Evil Within with a very dark part or Witcher 3 during nighttime ingame, am i then going to see things that shouldn't be there?



Oh snap, awesome man. Congrats! That's the EC9300?

Yeah,it was the last one they had. Spent the last couple of hours hooking it up and using calibration settings from the web,its looks awesome. The blacks are ridiculous,when I turn off all the lights the screen is darker than everything else in my room. I have the Oled connected to my PC and used DSR to play Metal Gear at 1440p and it looks fucking amazing. I tried 4k but even with a 980ti it didnt feel that smooth. I'm about to pop in Mad Max and test out the 3D which I'm sure is equally amazing. As far as the colors go they are great,however I have always had high end IPS panels on my PC so I wasn't as wowed as I was by the blacks and contrast.

Look at how the game is darker than my room in pitch darkness,pretty much the holy grail I've been looking for in a display.

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Edit: Just tried out Pacific Rim in 3D and it was easily the best picture quality I've ever seen. I've watched that movie probably 10 times and demoed it twice as much and always disliked how it was so dark and rainy. Well with the blacks being so spot on you can see everything perfectly clear in the dark/rainy parts. The different levels of blacks are so apparent it just brings everything out. I saw details in the Kaiju and Mechs that I've never seen before. Just blown away.
 
Yeah,it was the last one they had. Spent the last couple of hours hooking it up and using calibration settings from the web,its looks awesome. The blacks are ridiculous,when I turn off all the lights the screen is darker than everything else in my room. I have the Oled connected to my PC and used DSR to play Metal Gear at 1440p and it looks fucking amazing. I tried 4k but even with a 980ti it didnt feel that smooth. I'm about to pop in Mad Max and test out the 3D which I'm sure is equally amazing. As far as the colors go they are great,however I have always had high end IPS panels on my PC so I wasn't as wowed as I was by the blacks and contrast.

Look at how the game is darker than my room in pitch darkness,pretty much the holy grail I've been looking for in a display.

20150906_234733_zpsbsmknfoc.jpg


Edit: Just tried out Pacific Rim in 3D and it was easily the best picture quality I've ever seen. I've watched that movie probably 10 times and demoed it twice as much and always disliked how it was so dark and rainy. Well with the blacks being so spot on you can see everything perfectly clear in the dark/rainy parts. The different levels of blacks are so apparent it just brings everything out. I saw details in the Kaiju and Mechs that I've never seen before. Just blown away.

Great to hear man. And so far no issues noticed? Would you mind sharing those settings? They could come in real handy when i go to the store and check it out, if they let me check it out, cause if not, that'll come when i take the TV home.
 
Yeah,it was the last one they had. Spent the last couple of hours hooking it up and using calibration settings from the web,its looks awesome. The blacks are ridiculous,when I turn off all the lights the screen is darker than everything else in my room. I have the Oled connected to my PC and used DSR to play Metal Gear at 1440p and it looks fucking amazing. I tried 4k but even with a 980ti it didnt feel that smooth. I'm about to pop in Mad Max and test out the 3D which I'm sure is equally amazing. As far as the colors go they are great,however I have always had high end IPS panels on my PC so I wasn't as wowed as I was by the blacks and contrast.

Look at how the game is darker than my room in pitch darkness,pretty much the holy grail I've been looking for in a display.

20150906_234733_zpsbsmknfoc.jpg


Edit: Just tried out Pacific Rim in 3D and it was easily the best picture quality I've ever seen. I've watched that movie probably 10 times and demoed it twice as much and always disliked how it was so dark and rainy. Well with the blacks being so spot on you can see everything perfectly clear in the dark/rainy parts. The different levels of blacks are so apparent it just brings everything out. I saw details in the Kaiju and Mechs that I've never seen before. Just blown away.

Welcome to the club. :)

Now please find me a suitable post-OLED monitor. :|
 
It's a great TV - I've had one for a few months and am still being surprised by the quality of the picture.

DNR is rumoured to have been removed via a firmware update some time ago - I see plenty of film grain in blurays etc, so am willing to believe that it has, or that it's not really much of an issue.

Screen door effect was my main concern ahead of purchase - I'd spent many a lunch hour in front of the set in Curry's, and the pixel structure was clearly visible. At home, from a normal viewing distance I don't spot it, it's never bothered me.

The dirty screen effect, banding and tinting exist on all these sets to a certain extent, and you'll likely notice some occasionally. It really depends on what your viewing and in what conditions. I'd spot DSE quite often when watching Hannibal, as it's quite a dark show (which also makes it perfect for watching on an OLED). But oddly, I didn't spot it once when recently ploughing through the Harry Potter films, which are also pretty dark. I may compare the same material across different sources if I can find the time one day.

But, incredible TV, enjoy.
 
So just moved into a new house. Previous house had a basement and I had a whole room setup with 120" screen, 1080p projector, 7.2 surround sound, the whole bit. Now I have a 12x14 room to work with and thinking a projector setup won't be very practical anymore.

Going from a big screen to a smaller screen is going to be difficult but I don't want want to be short sighted tech wise. Would it be crazy at this point to buy a bigger 1080p TV than a smaller 4K? Thinking around $1,500 or less price point and Costco has a Vizio 70" 1080p for $1,100 on sale versus Amazon having Vizio 65" 4K for $1,450.

Mostly a console gamer, have a 2500K and 760 in my computer for random games but I don't plan on the PC and TV being in the same room.
 
Bodine, did you buy a protection plan for the OLED? I work in a TV department, and every OLED we've sold has had issues (usually burn in) which LG says they won't cover under warranty. The customer who refused the protection then comes back and tries to buy it with no luck.
 
And that Panasonic OLED will be significantly more expensive...

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...led-pricing-affordable-in-two-to-three-years/

The LG OLED is back to $7,000 so the 65JS9500 is the only contender left for me. If Sony came out with a 65" version of the X940C instead of the edge lit X930C I'd probably have one by now. Vizio will be at CEDIA in early October where they are expected to announce the R series rollout and maybe the new P series. I want 3D support so Vizio is out but their pricing may force Samsung into another round of price drops so the wait continues a little longer.
Damn that's pricy. I did toy with the idea of waiting for Panasonic's instead of getting LG's, but considering the 930V was expensive enough for me as it was, I'm glad I didn't wait now.

The dirty screen effect, banding and tinting exist on all these sets to a certain extent, and you'll likely notice some occasionally. It really depends on what your viewing and in what conditions. I'd spot DSE quite often when watching Hannibal, as it's quite a dark show (which also makes it perfect for watching on an OLED). But oddly, I didn't spot it once when recently ploughing through the Harry Potter films, which are also pretty dark. I may compare the same material across different sources if I can find the time one day.

But, incredible TV, enjoy.
Oh is that what it's called? Very occasionally (either on a very white screen or when I've got Phantasy Star Online 2 running -- why that, I don't know) I get weird dirty looking blotches on the screen. It's pretty common with PSO2 (even if I switch off the game, I'll still get it when other programs are running for some reason) Looks like this:

It's so rare otherwise that it's not a big issue or anything, and that, a very slight tint on the left edge of the screen and the kind of distracting auto-brightness limiting are about the only grumbles with the TV, but yeah. It's not perfect, but neither is any other TV on the market, and it's not like the 930V model is significantly more expensive than other top end TVs either. Considering I still continue to be amazed with the picture quality the rest of the time, I can live with the flaws.
 
Damn that's pricy. I did toy with the idea of waiting for Panasonic's instead of getting LG's, but considering the 930V was expensive enough for me as it was, I'm glad I didn't wait now.


Oh is that what it's called? Very occasionally (either on a very white screen or when I've got Phantasy Star Online 2 running -- why that, I don't know) I get weird dirty looking blotches on the screen. It's pretty common with PSO2 (even if I switch off the game, I'll still get it when other programs are running for some reason) Looks like this:


It's so rare otherwise that it's not a big issue or anything, and that, a very slight tint on the left edge of the screen and the kind of distracting auto-brightness limiting are about the only grumbles with the TV, but yeah. It's not perfect, but neither is any other TV on the market, and it's not like the 930V model is significantly more expensive than other top end TVs either. Considering I still continue to be amazed with the picture quality the rest of the time, I can live with the flaws.

I keep hearing this, even with its issues people say this. Must truly be one hell of a TV. Have you guys compared this TV to other TV's that are considered high end? For example how does it compare to the Sony W829b? Maybe it's not considered high end anymore, but I was quite impressed. So let's say.... how does it compare to the W829b successor?
 
I keep hearing this, even with its issues people say this. Must truly be one hell of a TV. Have you guys compared this TV to other TV's that are considered high end? For example how does it compare to the Sony W829b? Maybe it's not considered high end anymore, but I was quite impressed. So let's say.... how does it compare to the W829b successor?
I get the impression others in this thread have but I haven't personally, no. For me it was just an upgrade from a 32" 720p Panasonic I've had for years. The way some people describe the TV I was expecting more of a jump in quality than I actually got (beyond the black levels, anyway) and was initially a little bit disappointed, but once I'd got past that I ended up loving it anyway. It's not the second coming of Jesus or anything, it's just a really good TV.
 
The other thing you explained sounds similar to when i sat very close to a plasma TV when i still had one, is that it? But you then see it from a normal viewing distance? Hmmm...but if that's not it as you said it probably isn't...how bad is DSE? Let's say i am playing a game like The Evil Within with a very dark part or Witcher 3 during nighttime ingame, am i then going to see things that shouldn't be there?

Examples of dirty screen effect.

Lots of people complained about DSE on the OLED Vita, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of it occurring on OLED TVs. If you purchase a TV that is a particularly egregious case, return it to either get a new TV of that same model or a different model.
 
The DNR function cannot truly be turned off completely, so if you have a movie that should have a certain amount of film grain it tries to clean it. Which is bad since it would ideally supposed to be there.

The Screen Door Effect I haven't heard of the OLED's having this, but I haven't fully been keeping up until lately. But what screen door effect is where you can see the pixel structure Best way to explain it is when you get really really close to your screen you can see the pixel format, which is pretty normal. Screen Door Effect is like that but you can see it from normal viewing distances generally.

I'm actually thinking he meant DSE. Dirty screen effect which they have at near black. Its basically a uniformity defect

Oh, I know exactly what you are talking about in regards to the Screen Door Effect. I can see it on my tv if I am close enough, within a few feet. It almost looks like artifacting. I would think that is caused from response time of the pixels being generated, butOLEDs are extremely fast in regards to that, so I doubt that is the issue.

I am guessing you are correct that it probably is the DSE. That is a well known issue for OLEDs. Panasonic is touting they have solved it for their upcoming line which probably will release next year.
 
I actually did mean SDE, Screen Door Effect.

I see it on every 1080p OLED. The pixel structure is visible from even 5+ feet away to me
 
Looking for something in the 38-42" range . Hoping to find something used under 300. Is this possible? not really sure what I should be looking for . I really just want the size, minimal input lag, and 1080p.
 
I actually did mean SDE, Screen Door Effect.

I see it on every 1080p OLED. The pixel structure is visible from even 5+ feet away to me

It is visible to me at that distance as well, but you wouldn't want to sit 5 ft away from a 55" 1080p TV regardless. At 8ft+ away I have no problem with SDE.
 
It is visible to me at that distance as well, but you wouldn't want to sit 5 ft away from a 55" 1080p TV regardless. At 8ft+ away I have no problem with SDE.

I sit around 7 ff from the screen, it's not visible. Closer and yes, it would become visible, but it also depends on the content (seems to show up more in whites).
 
I just bought a Sony 48W705C for a very low price and i'm really loving it. The only things that bother me it's the fact that is showing some banding on dark grey background, it's only visible in MGS5 at night but it's annoying for my taste. Is there something I can do ? I feel like this is a common issue and maybe return it it's not the solution.
 
Probably a stupid question but ive got to ask it anyway, will i gain anything changing my hdmi 1.3 cable for a 2.0 to play on my ps4? Im playing in a sony 4k tv, thank you
 
Well, first of all, there's no such thing as an "HDMI 2.0 cable".

Does HDMI 2.0 require new cables?

No, HDMI 2.0 features will work with existing HDMI cables. Higher bandwidth features, such as 4K@50/60 (2160p) video formats, will require existing High Speed HDMI cables (Category 2 cables).

Can existing HDMI cables support the higher bandwidths of HDMI 2.0 Specification?

Yes, existing High Speed HDMI Cables (wire only) will support the new higher bandwidths (up to 18Gbps).

HDMI 2.0 specification defined a new, more efficient signaling method, for speeds above 1.4b limits (10.2Gbps), to allow higher bandwidths (up to 18Gbps) over existing High Speed HDMI Wire Cables.

HDMI 2.0 FAQ:
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx#123

HDMI cables:
http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx



Secondly, I don't think the PS4 supports any of the 2.0 features (yet).

What’s new in HDMI 2.0?

  • HDMI 2.0 significantly increases bandwidth to 18Gbps and includes the following advanced features:
  • Resolutions up to 4K@50/60 (2160p), which is 4 times the clarity of 1080p/60 video resolution, for the ultimate video experience
  • Up to 32 audio channels for a multi-dimensional immersive audio experience
  • Up to 1536kHz audio sample frequency for the highest audio fidelity
  • Simultaneous delivery of dual video streams to multiple users on the same screen
  • Simultaneous delivery of multi-stream audio to multiple users (Up to 4)
  • Support for the wide angle theatrical 21:9 video aspect ratio
  • Dynamic synchronization of video and audio streams
  • CEC extensions provide more expanded command and control of consumer electronics devices through a single control point

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx#123
 
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