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[Jigolo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44RJYOVAoo

LinusTechTips impressions on OLED.

I cannot even begin to imagine what UHD Blu-Rays with HDR will look like on these TVs

 

[Sola Scriptura]

Well there really isn't much available HDR wise. I have some demos clips, and they are amazing. I have no problems with it at all. You can get it on Amazon as well but I really haven't watched it.

I don't give advice on what people should spend their money on. So if you want something buy it. If you have reservations on it. Don't.

With consumer electronics there is ALWAYS going to be something better. If there wasn't they wouldn't be able to sale anything because there would be no reason to get anything new.

If LG doesn't one up their own product, someone else will. It's always like that.

When Panasonic made the VT30, the Sharp Elite came along, after the Sharp Elite came, the VT50 came out, after that the ZT and F8500's came out. So something being outclassed is just what happens. Hell even with Kuros, the newest one was always better then the previous model.

The only thing imho that would be worth waiting for would probably be BFI (black frame insertion) and full coverage of DCI/P3 if I were on the fence, but I personally don't believe full 100% coverage of DCI/P3 will happen this coming year. I would say 2017 at the earliest. BFI could happen though I just don't think it will happen personally. CES is in January so you could wait and see what is announced then.

Plus for me, I upgrade my TV almost once a year. Within a year and a half I have been through a 65X900B, a 65AX800U, and now a 65EF9500. I think I will keep this one for about 2 years though. Let the dust settle and more tech to evolve etc. In the meantime much like Dead I'm going to be enjoying this OLED.

With upgrading your TV that often, what do you do with the old sets? Craigslist?

 

[Dewoh]

Also, @Dewoh, I guess i meant if there is an improvement ~3 years down the line that is must have, and 3 years if the max time before I jump into OLED, I am definitely planning on getting one sooner unless someone tells me a massive improvement might come out later.

This is how I justified getting the LG 9500 (which is scheduled to arrive TOMORROW so hopefully the input lag is low enough that I keep it). Feel free anyone to tell me if I'm talking out of my ass.

Yes, OLED right now is super expensive (although less so than before), and will only drop in price. BUT, the price difference between the 9500 and samsung's top of the line SUHD (also code number 9500, oddly enough. JS9500) isn't THAT much. And OLED right now completely blows it away. I'd much rather spend the extra grand and get the OLED. An extra grand for a TV that'll last me 5ish years is worth it to me, given the difference in picture quality. Tech will always improve, and you're always buying something that is either outdated, or about to be. At some point you need to jump in and enjoy it.

I also know that I'm in a position where I need to check my privilege. I'm not going to tell someone to spend money they don't have. If you can afford it, do it.

 

[Deckard Chapel]

OLED.

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

Is LG the only one making OLED TVs? Man, I need those things to become massive, so I can finally buy one for a cheaper price.

 

[FrankNitty]

With upgrading your TV that often, what do you do with the old sets? Craigslist?

Friends, people at work, wife's work, eBay once, Craigslist once. When they are new like the ones I sold usually go through people we work with. That way I let them make payments lol

This is how I justified getting the LG 9500 (which is scheduled to arrive TOMORROW so hopefully the input lag is low enough that I keep it). Feel free anyone to tell me if I'm talking out of my ass.

Yes, OLED right now is super expensive (although less so than before), and will only drop in price. BUT, the price difference between the 9500 and samsung's top of the line SUHD (also code number 9500, oddly enough. JS9500) isn't THAT much. And OLED right now completely blows it away. I'd much rather spend the extra grand and get the OLED. An extra grand for a TV that'll last me 5ish years is worth it to me, given the difference in picture quality. Tech will always improve, and you're always buying something that is either outdated, or about to be. At some point you need to jump in and enjoy it.

I also know that I'm in a position where I need to check my privilege. I'm not going to tell someone to spend money they don't have. If you can afford it, do it.

Yeah for the size of 65" the oled is the smart choice imho. Though the JS9500 is nice. For bigger sizes though only a few options. That's really the only thing that would make the EF better is if it were 70+ inches. If I wanted bigger I would either do JS9500 or X940C.

I was just playing halo 5. God this oled amazes me all the time. Such a beautiful picture

 

[MrJames]

Quick question for TVGAF, I am thinking about buying an LG OLED 4k TV sometime in Dec/January time frame, is there any reason for me to hold off from doing so? I know next years models will be better yada yada, but is there any big improvements on the horizon that justifies holding off?(And by horizon I mean in the next six months to 3 years) I am pretty patient, but I do want to TV eventually.
Price isn't the biggest factor, but if prices plummet due to competition or the like, that is also a consideration.

CES takes place on January 6-9. Most of what will be released in 2016 will be announced there so you'll be able to make a more informed decision between current and future models. Pricing on current models will likely be lower by then too.

 

[Pagusas]

Friends, people at work, wife's work, eBay once, Craigslist once. When they are new like the ones I sold usually go through people we work with. That way I let them make payments lol



Yeah for the size of 65" the oled is the smart choice imho. Though the JS9500 is nice. For bigger sizes though only a few options. That's really the only thing that would make the EF better is if it were 70+ inches. If I wanted bigger I would either do JS9500 or X940C.

I was just playing halo 5. God this oled amazes me all the time. Such a beautiful picture

Yup, thats why I went with a 940c, just no large OLED's available (well one.. for 25k!) and I ran out of time to wait (my old 52a650 is dying, wont turn on all the time now)

Its going to be very interesting to see how companies differentiate low, mid and high tier OLED's once they hit mainstream pricing. LCD's have been easy, more $$$ = better black level, better motion handling, better color. OLED is inherently good at all that, so I wonder if we will see a quality drop in the low and mid tier (maybe 3 color in the high end, white oled in the lower tier?) or maybe we see LCD's fill in the low and mid tiers in the future and OLED stays in the highend.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Yeah just press the power button. If you want to see what he means. Turn on your tv. then turn it off. When you turn it off you should hear a click right away. When it does it's compensation cycle and you turn it off it won't click. it takes about 10 mins then you hear the click.

Its 6 hours per cycle. on the EF, and 10 mins the compensation runs.

It seems each time i power off my TV with the remote i hear a click, but usually i turn the TV on, then for seversl hours it will be on for gaming and then i power it off again. So when i power it off and i hear the click, i should wait 10 minutes to power it on again?

 

[FrankNitty]

Yup, thats why I went with a 940c, just no large OLED's available (well one.. for 25k!) and I ran out of time to wait (my old 52a650 is dying, wont turn on all the time now)

Its going to be very interesting to see how companies differentiate low, mid and high tier OLED's once they hit mainstream pricing. LCD's have been easy, more $$$ = better black level, better motion handling, better color. OLED is inherently good at all that, so I wonder if we will see a quality drop in the low and mid tier (maybe 3 color in the high end, white oled in the lower tier?) or maybe we see LCD's fill in the low and mid tiers in the future and OLED stays in the highend.

I was wondering that as well. With being able to produce absolute black, I think it would have to come down to things like motion, brightness, color space. There really isn't anything else left. But that is what marketing is for. I'm sure they will find some nugget to extrapolate on and sale.

I would think though that it would be 1080p OLED that takes the mid tier, and 4K the higher tier. Once 4K becomes more mainstream though not sure what will happen. At the same time other players besides LG needs to be putting out panels in the same cost bracket.

It seems each time i power off my TV with the remote i hear a click, but usually i turn the TV on, then for seversl hours it will be on for gaming and then i power it off again. So when i power it off and i hear the click, i should wait 10 minutes to power it on again?

Nope just use it regularly.

How the compensation cycles work is that they are cumulative. I'm not sure how long it takes for your models to run them or how long they run for, but mine for example is a combination of 6 hours.

Ex. If have it on for 6 hours straight, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen until 10 mins after.

If I watch for 4 hours, then turn it off, the click happens right away, but then if I watch for 2 more hours exceeding that 6 hours total time, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen right away and happens after 10 mins.

If I turn it off and it doesn't click right away, and turn it one before 10 mins have passed, the next time I turn it off it still doesn't click right away. It doesn't click right away until after it has done its full cycle of 10 mins.

 

[Pagusas]

I was wondering that as well. With being able to produce absolute black, I think it would have to come down to things like motion, brightness, color space. There really isn't anything else left. But that is what marketing is for. I'm sure they will find some nugget to extrapolate on and sale.

I would think though that it would be 1080p OLED that takes the mid tier, and 4K the higher tier. Once 4K becomes more mainstream though not sure what will happen. At the same time other players besides LG needs to be putting out panels in the same cost bracket.



Nope just use it regularly.

How the compensation cycles work is that they are cumulative. I'm not sure how long it takes for your models to run them or how long they run for, but mine for example is a combination of 6 hours.

Ex. If have it on for 6 hours straight, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen until 10 mins after.

If I watch for 4 hours, then turn it off, the click happens right away, but then if I watch for 2 more hours exceeding that 6 hours total time, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen right away and happens after 10 mins.

If I turn it off and it doesn't click right away, and turn it one before 10 mins have passed, the next time I turn it off it still doesn't click right away. It doesn't click right away until after it has done its full cycle of 10 mins.

You know, I think we might actually see 1080p pannels completely disappear within 3-4 years. I'm already amazed how the entire top-tier line has been replaced with 4k screens without any real content yet. The majority of the mid-tiers have been replaced as well. Vizio this year will probably have low-end 4ks out too (hell you could already call the M series that for its price points). Once that low end market is breached who is going to actually manufacturer those pannels any more?

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

I was wondering that as well. With being able to produce absolute black, I think it would have to come down to things like motion, brightness, color space. There really isn't anything else left. But that is what marketing is for. I'm sure they will find some nugget to extrapolate on and sale.

I would think though that it would be 1080p OLED that takes the mid tier, and 4K the higher tier. Once 4K becomes more mainstream though not sure what will happen. At the same time other players besides LG needs to be putting out panels in the same cost bracket.



Nope just use it regularly.

How the compensation cycles work is that they are cumulative. I'm not sure how long it takes for your models to run them or how long they run for, but mine for example is a combination of 6 hours.

Ex. If have it on for 6 hours straight, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen until 10 mins after.

If I watch for 4 hours, then turn it off, the click happens right away, but then if I watch for 2 more hours exceeding that 6 hours total time, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen right away and happens after 10 mins.

If I turn it off and it doesn't click right away, and turn it one before 10 mins have passed, the next time I turn it off it still doesn't click right away. It doesn't click right away until after it has done its full cycle of 10 mins.

Interesting. I'll go check that out today after i power it off. Sounds like a good system to combat IR.

I have been checking some grey backgrounds and i didn't spot any IR, and this seems to be the best way for me to check for IR.

 

[Bornstellar]

Interesting. I'll go check that out today after i power it off. Sounds like a good system to combat IR.

I have been checking some grey backgrounds and i didn't spot any IR, and this seems to be the best way for me to check for IR.

I was checking grey backgrounds and instead I noticed some subtle pink hues on the edge of the screen / DSE I hadn't noticed before. Albeit, I was looking really hard at the screen. Never noticed it during regular use.

 

[Dead]

Does the compensation cycle actually help with IR as well?

Not that I've seen any. Ive gamed multiple hours on my set now and there has been 0 IR

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

I was checking grey backgrounds and instead I noticed some subtle pink hues on the edge of the screen / DSE I hadn't noticed before. Albeit, I was looking really hard at the screen. Never noticed it during regular use.

Yeah exactly. I don't have any pink hues so far, but there's definitely a green tinge of the grey backgrounds. In games i only notice it a little in snow fiels but not when looking into the sky, so it's ok. I can definitely live with this.

 

[kakashi08]

What's is the best 34inch wide monitor. Too much to research. As long as its under $800.
Currently have the benq xl2420t with a gtx 780.

What I want to do is, use the BENQ for the ps4, and get a ultra wide "CURVED" 34 for the PC, don't do PC games that much, but when I do, only play BF4.

Which monitor will be good for the PS4? the benq or new 34inch curve.

 

[Human 2.0]

I don't know if anyone can help or if what I am about to ask is a really dumb question (sorry if it is)....but.....

I've ordered myself a new TV (Sony KDL48W705C) and I'm a little confused about the best way to set it up. My (next to be replaced, but not for sometime) home cinema system tells me that it's video output is 50hz which is unacceptable. Ordinarily I would set up an HDMI link from the PS4 to the home cinema and then from the home cinema system to the TV but I want to get the lowest possible input lag and the best FPS. Although my home cinema system is Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio it's only 5.1.

Given the above, would the best way to hook up the system be HDMI from PS4 to TV for video and TOSLINK from PS4 to home cinema system for sound?

Or does the home cinema system just pass through the video signal?

I'm confused and probably not making much sense.

 

[Sola Scriptura]

Is LG the only one making OLED TVs? Man, I need those things to become massive, so I can finally buy one for a cheaper price.

I'm pretty sure that LG is the only company who makes OLEDs. The others don't seem to be willing to take a hit on the low production output for acceptable panels.

 

[Sola Scriptura]

Nope just use it regularly.

How the compensation cycles work is that they are cumulative. I'm not sure how long it takes for your models to run them or how long they run for, but mine for example is a combination of 6 hours.

Ex. If have it on for 6 hours straight, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen until 10 mins after.

If I watch for 4 hours, then turn it off, the click happens right away, but then if I watch for 2 more hours exceeding that 6 hours total time, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen right away and happens after 10 mins.

If I turn it off and it doesn't click right away, and turn it one before 10 mins have passed, the next time I turn it off it still doesn't click right away. It doesn't click right away until after it has done its full cycle of 10 mins.

So, a bottom-line question for you: If I buy a 65EF9500 right now, is there any content coming in the next three years that I have to worry the 65EF9500 won't be able to handle or display properly?

 

[FrankNitty]

So, a bottom-line question for you: If I buy a 65EF9500 right now, is there any content coming in the next three years that I have to worry the 65EF9500 won't be able to handle or display properly?

Don't think anyone knows whats coming in 3 years so no way to accurately say.

Its at about 88% DCI/P3 already. Next steps would be full 100% DCI/P3, and then full Rec.2020, I don't think anything is even mastered in Rec.2020 though everything is mastered in DCI/P3 iirc.

It will be able to display it but you wouldn't get the full gamut. So not sure how you want to take that lol.

I think what people need to understand is these are consumer electronics. If a change to HDMI spec is made for example and they make a 2.0c that has x bandwidth, and this new feature is added and 2.0a doesn't have the bandwidth to support it, you're not going to get it. You are limited to the capabilities of the hardware in the unit. If you are worried about buying something that is going to be outdated, then I'm not sure how anyone buys anything.

Anyone that buys new iPhones, Droids, Macbooks, PC's, cars, TV, stereo equipment...guess what. Same time next year its outdated, thats if you buy it when it comes out. If you buy it 6 months before the new model line, you got 6 months before its out dated.

The only thing I could suggest is look at what the specs are for UHD Blu ray, for audio and video. Figure out if you want/need whats in the specs, see what equipment meets those specs.

 

[Audioboxer]

Is there anything better than a Sony Bravia KD55X8509C for £1000?

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dv...nd-ht-ct80-sound-bar-bundle-10126731-pdt.html

Looking to step up from a GT50 Plasma to 55" and 4K for the future.

 

[julrik]

Is LG the only one making OLED TVs? Man, I need those things to become massive, so I can finally buy one for a cheaper price.

Right now, yes, except for Panasonic. They just released their first OLED, but it's crazy expensive.

Samsung made some OLEDs a few years ago, but they took a "break". Pretty sure they'll start to make some again soon.

And there are rumours that Sony is about to make some OLEDs too, but that's just rumours at this point. My guess is that in two years, LG, Samsung, Sony and Panasonic are all producing OLED TVs.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

I was wondering that as well. With being able to produce absolute black, I think it would have to come down to things like motion, brightness, color space. There really isn't anything else left. But that is what marketing is for. I'm sure they will find some nugget to extrapolate on and sale.

I would think though that it would be 1080p OLED that takes the mid tier, and 4K the higher tier. Once 4K becomes more mainstream though not sure what will happen. At the same time other players besides LG needs to be putting out panels in the same cost bracket.



Nope just use it regularly.

How the compensation cycles work is that they are cumulative. I'm not sure how long it takes for your models to run them or how long they run for, but mine for example is a combination of 6 hours.

Ex. If have it on for 6 hours straight, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen until 10 mins after.

If I watch for 4 hours, then turn it off, the click happens right away, but then if I watch for 2 more hours exceeding that 6 hours total time, when I turn it off the click doesn't happen right away and happens after 10 mins.

If I turn it off and it doesn't click right away, and turn it one before 10 mins have passed, the next time I turn it off it still doesn't click right away. It doesn't click right away until after it has done its full cycle of 10 mins.

Hmmm this is odd. I have had the TV on for hours on end, much much more than just 4 or 6 hours. I powered it off just now and waited 10 minutes, but i heard no click or whatsoever.

 

[Dewoh]

Spent a couple hours messing around with my LG 9500 that arrived today. Normal modes have considerable input lag, which is to be expected. However, in game mode, I'm more than happy with it. I'm not detecting any lag. Obviously there is some, it's been calculated...but I can't notice it.

I've tried Mario Maker (gotta test those jumps!), Geometry Wars, and Killer Instinct. All play perfectly. Now, if you're a frequenter of Shoryken then I'm sure you need perfect flawless frame accuracy, but to me - and granted, I play A LOT of games, tons of online shooters - I think it's perfect.

So far.

I need to calibrate it and give it a couple tweaks, but so far HOLY SHIT it is absolutely amazing. The picture quality is unlike anything I've ever had or seen before. RIP my Panasonic plasma. You were good to me.


EDIT: I tried Halo, and it feels off somehow. The gun seems to shoot the second I pull the trigger, so that's not the problem, but for some reason aiming isn't as tight as I remember shooters being. So, maybe I spoke too soon? Argh.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Spent a couple hours messing around with my LG 9500 that arrived today. Normal modes have considerable input lag, which is to be expected. However, in game mode, I'm more than happy with it. I'm not detecting any lag. Obviously there is some, it's been calculated...but I can't notice it.

I've tried Mario Maker (gotta test those jumps!), Geometry Wars, and Killer Instinct. All play perfectly. Now, if you're a frequenter of Shoryken then I'm sure you need perfect flawless frame accuracy, but to me - and granted, I play A LOT of games, tons of online shooters - I think it's perfect.

So far.

I need to calibrate it and give it a couple tweaks, but so far HOLY SHIT it is absolutely amazing. The picture quality is unlike anything I've ever had or seen before. RIP my Panasonic plasma. You were good to me.


EDIT: I tried Halo, and it feels off somehow. The gun seems to shoot the second I pull the trigger, so that's not the problem, but for some reason aiming isn't as tight as I remember shooters being. So, maybe I spoke too soon? Argh.

You mean input lag wise?

 

[burgerdog]

Spent a couple hours messing around with my LG 9500 that arrived today. Normal modes have considerable input lag, which is to be expected. However, in game mode, I'm more than happy with it. I'm not detecting any lag. Obviously there is some, it's been calculated...but I can't notice it.

I've tried Mario Maker (gotta test those jumps!), Geometry Wars, and Killer Instinct. All play perfectly. Now, if you're a frequenter of Shoryken then I'm sure you need perfect flawless frame accuracy, but to me - and granted, I play A LOT of games, tons of online shooters - I think it's perfect.

So far.

I need to calibrate it and give it a couple tweaks, but so far HOLY SHIT it is absolutely amazing. The picture quality is unlike anything I've ever had or seen before. RIP my Panasonic plasma. You were good to me.


EDIT: I tried Halo, and it feels off somehow. The gun seems to shoot the second I pull the trigger, so that's not the problem, but for some reason aiming isn't as tight as I remember shooters being. So, maybe I spoke too soon? Argh.

Have you put it in pc mode?

 

[Dewoh]

I believe so. I switched to Game mode, and edited the input name to PC. I don't think there's anything else I need to do to "save" and lock in that setting.

 

[EasyMode]

I believe so. I switched to Game mode, and edited the input name to PC. I don't think there's anything else I need to do to "save" and lock in that setting.

You actually have to change the icon to PC, near the bottom of the drop down list.

At least, this is how it works on the EC9300.

 

[DJ Lushious]

Next steps would be full 100% DCI/P3, and then full Rec.2020, I don't think anything is even mastered in Rec.2020 though everything is mastered in DCI/P3 iirc.

This is actually what I am waiting before I jump from my Pioneer Kuro Elite. I owned the JS9500 for about a weekend before I came to the realization that if I am going to spend $5000 on a new TV, it had be future-proof enough to last me as long as my Kuro has (and will).

 

[draughn101]

Does the compensation cycle actually help with IR as well?

Not that I've seen any. Ive gamed multiple hours on my set now and there has been 0 IR

Is your tv pretty new or have you broken it in at all. We are getting image retention on a grey screen after 25 or so minutes. My wife left the Netflix on the selection screen for 20 minutes and we had "Murder She Wrote" (yea she's 25 I have no idea why she watches that show) on the top left of the screen.

I'm trying to break it in about before I start blasting the Halo HuD on the screen again. It's good to hear about the ir countermeasures they have built in tho. I'd like this puppy to last, and I'd also like to game on it like crazy.

 

[Magnus]

The edge-lighting in dark scenes on our new LG 65" LED-LCD is kind of brutal. Can any other LED-LCD at sub-$2000 do better, while being as good as this bad boy for input lag?We don't care about 4k yet - just need 1080p, obviously.

 

[Dewoh]

You actually have to change the icon to PC, near the bottom of the drop down list.

At least, this is how it works on the EC9300.

Thanks. You're right, I hadn't actually changed the icon.

Which icon/setting is considered best. The PC, or the Game icon?

 

[J-Rzez]

You should just buy something now that checks the boxes for yourself if you need to buy something. Tv's are like phones anymore with new sets out almost every month, it's crazy. You'll be waiting forever. That being said though, in regards to the OLED who knows what LG will have in store in January, but remember they showed off the 9500 (at least talked about it) and 9100 so long in advance but it came out weeks ago. As far as advancements, you can probably expect a brighter (higher nit) panel that covers wider color space like someone mentioned, possibly better motion processing.

Panasonic is the only other player in the game, but they use an LG panel anyways. I would not be surprised to see Sony and Samsung get into the action this year or next. OLED is the future, and soon LED-LCD will be thankfully dead.

 

[Monty Mole]

Thanks. You're right, I hadn't actually changed the icon.

Which icon/setting is considered best. The PC, or the Game icon?

On the 9500 the PC mode gives more lag than game mode, which is the opposite of the 9300. The reason for this is that PC mode on the 9500 gives 4:4:4 chroma in 4k, which increases lag. So, game mode is best on the 9500 and do not change the icon to PC.

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

I'm pretty sure that LG is the only company who makes OLEDs. The others don't seem to be willing to take a hit on the low production output for acceptable panels.

Right now, yes, except for Panasonic. They just released their first OLED, but it's crazy expensive.

Samsung made some OLEDs a few years ago, but they took a "break". Pretty sure they'll start to make some again soon.

And there are rumours that Sony is about to make some OLEDs too, but that's just rumours at this point. My guess is that in two years, LG, Samsung, Sony and Panasonic are all producing OLED TVs.

Dang it. OLED is like a dream come true but is still a bit expensive for some of us. I think I'll wait a year and then decide.

 

[Bornstellar]

I believe so. I switched to Game mode, and edited the input name to PC. I don't think there's anything else I need to do to "save" and lock in that setting.

It's the icon, not the name that matters.

 

[Dewoh]

It's the icon, not the name that matters.

Yeah, got it, thanks. I hadn't noticed that. I'll switch it to the game controller icon and hope it helps a bit.

EDIT:

On the 9500 the PC mode gives more lag than game mode, which is the opposite of the 9300. The reason for this is that PC mode on the 9500 gives 4:4:4 chroma in 4k, which increases lag. So, game mode is best on the 9500 and do not change the icon to PC.

Not that I don't believe you, but how do you know this? I tried googling for some info but couldn't find any.

 

[dsk1210]

The edge-lighting in dark scenes on our new LG 65" LED-LCD is kind of brutal. Can any other LED-LCD at sub-$2000 do better, while being as good as this bad boy for input lag?We don't care about 4k yet - just need 1080p, obviously.

You could pick up an LG OLED EC9300 for less than 2000.

 

[Audioboxer]

Is there anything better than a Sony Bravia KD55X8509C for £1000?

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dv...nd-ht-ct80-sound-bar-bundle-10126731-pdt.html

Looking to step up from a GT50 Plasma to 55" and 4K for the future.

I went with this set at £999 and got the free soundbar (no real need for this, will supplement another TV).

Here is my short write up I left on AVforums

Really impressed with the PQ on the PS4 after playing around with some settings. Running RGB full on PS4 after setting HDMI to full on the Bravia. I'd go as far to say PQ is even better than my GT50 (Plasma). Black levels can get really damn dark for an LCD as well. Certainly much better than my last experience with LCD years ago before my Plasma (was a Sony set as well, can't remember model number).

I've just bought a new sound system with 4K passthrough for this TV. My current 5.1 set while doing everything I need it to over HDMI can't do 4K. CEC is a little sketchy as well, not sure if it's Bravia Sync playing up with Panasonic Sync (sound system is a Panasonic). Really good price on the STR-DH750 here - http://www.hificonfidential.co.uk/sony-str-dh750-7-2-channel-av-receiver.html?search=STR-DH

I'll use my own speakers, which are only 5.1 for now.

Only downsides to the TV are slight light bleeding, lightflashing and a little bit of the DSE. These all come hand in hand with LED/LCD though, and I'm not going to start playing the lottery game. My next set in a few years will be OLED, to get back to the perfect blacks and uniformity of Plasma, but for now my budget couldn't stretch for 4K OLED.

The edge-lighting in dark scenes on our new LG 65" LED-LCD is kind of brutal. Can any other LED-LCD at sub-$2000 do better, while being as good as this bad boy for input lag?We don't care about 4k yet - just need 1080p, obviously.

Seems to come hand in hand with LED/LCD. As I said above I'm not going to play the lottery on my set. All will have it to varying degrees I guess. One of the downsides to upgrading from a perfect screen uniformity Plasma set. Best advice I have is to make sure you have a night time calibration setting for the TV, as in a dark room bringing down things like backlight brightness and potentially bumping up black settings (sometimes referred to as dark enhancers) can help with edge lighting issues. It just masks the issues, and ramping up some settings may affect PQ and shadow detailing (if you start to crush blacks a little), but the trade off may be worth it for you if it helps mask lighting uniformity issues.

Some LCD sets with a VA panel can be better than IPS for backlight issues, but then the trade off is worse viewing angles. The Sony set above is VA which is possibly why my backlight issues aren't that bad overall.

In a few years when 4K OLED is cheaper I'll make that my next set. Still bummed Plasma sets went the way of the dodo, I happily lived with the audible Plasma buzz for the good price ratio to screen size and perfect backlighting uniformity. Sadly even the second hand market is dead, and upgrading to a newer model Panasonic set from the GT50 was out of the question for me as well.

 

[Monty Mole]

Yeah, got it, thanks. I hadn't noticed that. I'll switch it to the game controller icon and hope it helps a bit.

EDIT:


Not that I don't believe you, but how do you know this? I tried googling for some info but couldn't find any.

https://www.avforums.com/review/lg-65ef950v-ef950-ef9500-ultra-hd-4k-oled-tv-review.12014

 

[Magnus]

You could pick up an LG OLED EC9300 for less than 2000.

Really? At 65"? Where? OLEDs don't have this problem?

Seems to come hand in hand with LED/LCD. As I said above I'm not going to play the lottery on my set. All will have it to varying degrees I guess. One of the downsides to upgrading from a perfect screen uniformity Plasma set. Best advice I have is to make sure you have a night time calibration setting for the TV, as in a dark room bringing down things like backlight brightness and potentially bumping up black settings (sometimes referred to as dark enhancers) can help with edge lighting issues. It just masks the issues, and ramping up some settings may affect PQ and shadow detailing (if you start to crush blacks a little), but the trade off may be worth it for you if it helps mask lighting uniformity issues.

Some LCD sets with a VA panel can be better than IPS for backlight issues, but then the trade off is worse viewing angles. The Sony set above is VA which is possibly why my backlight issues aren't that bad overall.

In a few years when 4K OLED is cheaper I'll make that my next set. Still bummed Plasma sets went the way of the dodo, I happily lived with the audible Plasma buzz for the good price ratio to screen size and perfect backlighting uniformity. Sadly even the second hand market is dead, and upgrading to a newer model Panasonic set from the GT50 was out of the question for me as well.

Crazy. Totally crazy. I've had HD CRT till 2010, and a Panny Plasma from 2010-now, and I just can't believe everyone with an LED-LCD deals with this. It looks downright defective. But I mean, we may keep it and I'll deal - lol. Lower energy bills, larger screen, and generally amazing PQ when the scene isn't dark are a good trade off. Plus, no screen-warping geometry like on an old CRT - that used to drive me insane. Haha.

 

[MrJames]

The edge-lighting in dark scenes on our new LG 65" LED-LCD is kind of brutal. Can any other LED-LCD at sub-$2000 do better, while being as good as this bad boy for input lag?We don't care about 4k yet - just need 1080p, obviously.

As others have said, light bleed is pretty typical for edge-lit LCD panels. If you're willing to step down to 55" then check out the OLED as dsk1210 suggested. The only FALD LCDs in your price range are from Vizio. The 65" M is $1,400 and the 70" M is $2,000. Both are 4K and input lag is around 18-19ms in game mode

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ec9300
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-2015.

 

[Nephtis]

I want to buy a 55" LED 4K this Black Friday.

I've been looking into the curved samsungs - I will have this as my main display for my PC, as well as PS4, and DirectTV.

I have about 1.5K I can spend. I have a 65" samsung in my living room and I really like it, so I wonder if I should stick to that, or if there's something better out there.

 

[Jsheldon]

I want to buy a 55" LED 4K this Black Friday.

I've been looking into the curved samsungs - I will have this as my main display for my PC, as well as PS4, and DirectTV.

I have about 1.5K I can spend. I have a 65" samsung in my living room and I really like it, so I wonder if I should stick to that, or if there's something better out there.

Hisense and Vizio FALD sets are more in your price range.

 

[Audioboxer]

Really? At 65"? Where? OLEDs don't have this problem?



Crazy. Totally crazy. I've had HD CRT till 2010, and a Panny Plasma from 2010-now, and I just can't believe everyone with an LED-LCD deals with this. It looks downright defective. But I mean, we may keep it and I'll deal - lol. Lower energy bills, larger screen, and generally amazing PQ when the scene isn't dark are a good trade off. Plus, no screen-warping geometry like on an old CRT - that used to drive me insane. Haha.

Yup the better technology lost, Plasma that is. We could have had a few more years of Plasma sets. It has evolved into OLED, but it's really pricey right now. If you can get your hands on a Samsung AMOLED phone, that is pretty much what OLED will be like in regards to light bleed. None at all. It's the reason I buy Samsung phones, as light bleed a few inches from your face is FAR more OCD inducing than on your TV.

The higher end LED/LCD sets tend to be much better (full screen lit, or whatever the step up from edge lit is), but they're usually 2-3x the price of a mid range set. Where as Plasma was always pretty good value for money, and even a mid-ranger would have perfect screen uniformity.

 

[Tarin02543]

Right now, yes, except for Panasonic. They just released their first OLED, but it's crazy expensive.

Samsung made some OLEDs a few years ago, but they took a "break". Pretty sure they'll start to make some again soon.

And there are rumours that Sony is about to make some OLEDs too, but that's just rumours at this point. My guess is that in two years, LG, Samsung, Sony and Panasonic are all producing OLED TVs.

The fact that the Panasonic OLED is an outsourced panel from LG indicates that Panasonic does not want to be seen as catching up. They have probably invested into their own tech heavily and are about to start testing/prototyping.

So yes, maybe in 3/4 years we will see alot more OLED action!

 

[Sola Scriptura]

The fact that the Panasonic OLED is an outsourced panel from LG indicates that Panasonic does not want to be seen as catching up. They have probably invested into their own tech heavily and are about to start testing/prototyping.

So yes, maybe in 3/4 years we will see alot more OLED action!

Again, the reason LG is the only OLED manufacturer with sets out right now is because of the low production yield. There are still a lot of OLED panels manufactured that end up having to be scrapped due to defects that are caught by quality control. LED-LCD is by far the most profitable right now for TV companies to continue to make, so that's exactly what they're doing.

Until OLED technology can produce a higher yield of panels that are of "shippable" quality, expect only a handful of manufacturers to offer OLED TVs, even within the next few years.

Why is LG the only company (besides the one panel from Panasonic) that offers OLED sets right now? It's because they've dumped the most money in OLED technology and are willing to take the financial hit during production difficulties.

 

[Pagusas]

Again, the reason LG is the only OLED manufacturer with sets out right now is because of the low production yield. There are still a lot of OLED panels manufactured that end up having to be scrapped due to defects that are caught by quality control. LED-LCD is by far the most profitable right now for TV companies to continue to make, so that's exactly what they're doing.

Until OLED technology can produce a higher yield of panels that are of "shippable" quality, expect only a handful of manufacturers to offer OLED TVs, even within the next few years.

Why is LG the only company (besides the one panel from Panasonic) that offers OLED sets right now? It's because they've dumped the most money in OLED technology and are willing to take the financial hit during production difficulties.

Its an interesting gamble on LG's part, getting to the market first and probably hopping they ride some wave of "best tv" labeling for a short time. Once everyone jumps in they will disappear from any quality discussions.

 

[Tarin02543]

Again, the reason LG is the only OLED manufacturer with sets out right now is because of the low production yield. There are still a lot of OLED panels manufactured that end up having to be scrapped due to defects that are caught by quality control. LED-LCD is by far the most profitable right now for TV companies to continue to make, so that's exactly what they're doing.

Until OLED technology can produce a higher yield of panels that are of "shippable" quality, expect only a handful of manufacturers to offer OLED TVs, even within the next few years.

Why is LG the only company (besides the one panel from Panasonic) that offers OLED sets right now? It's because they've dumped the most money in OLED technology and are willing to take the financial hit during production difficulties.

Yes, but that means LG is viewed as leader right now, something other companies (japanese) cannot accept.

Its an interesting gamble on LG's part, getting to the market first and probably hopping they ride some wave of "best tv" labeling for a short time. Once everyone jumps in they will disappear from any quality discussions.

True. I desperately want a OLED tv but i don't want LG.

 

[Jigolo]

I want to buy a 55" LED 4K this Black Friday.

I've been looking into the curved samsungs - I will have this as my main display for my PC, as well as PS4, and DirectTV.

I have about 1.5K I can spend. I have a 65" samsung in my living room and I really like it, so I wonder if I should stick to that, or if there's something better out there.

My go to TV that I'm buying this Black Friday that's an all around good package and excellent for gaming is the Samsung JU7500. I'll be buying a 50" for my living room.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju7500