Ran Echelon
Neo Member
I'm thinking of picking up a Sony KDL-40R453C. 40", 1080p, non-smart, £269. Looks pretty decent for the price, anyone got one?
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Wildschwein
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Over here in budget-land, I just got my Samsung J6200 set up a week ago and I've been loving it so far. I was afraid that 44ms would be an issue for input lag, but it definitely makes it past my radar. I don't notice it at all. Even if I did, any twitcher games I usually play on PC to begin with.
The only noteworthy flaw is that there's some definite dimming in the corners. This popped up in reviews so I know it's nothing abnormal, and it's only all that noticeable on a solid color background while I'm being OCD and looking for it. I would take this a thousand times over compared to the dirty, checkerboard dimming of the Vizio E series we have in the other room.
It's clearly no OLED, but I'm entirely happy with the black levels. I'm thinking about giving bias lighting a shot to see how that helps. In the meantime, I can just look at my first gen Vita and dream.
The only noteworthy flaw is that there's some definite dimming in the corners. This popped up in reviews so I know it's nothing abnormal, and it's only all that noticeable on a solid color background while I'm being OCD and looking for it. I would take this a thousand times over compared to the dirty, checkerboard dimming of the Vizio E series we have in the other room.
It's clearly no OLED, but I'm entirely happy with the black levels. I'm thinking about giving bias lighting a shot to see how that helps. In the meantime, I can just look at my first gen Vita and dream.
Well I guess you're from Europe so no Vizio for you (or me :-().
Best is really subjective by any means, all models have their own advantages and disadvantages if you compare them side by side.
You just named the price but no additional info, like screensize, Full HD or UHD, curved non curved, must have features etc...
However, here are few EU TVs that are in your price range:
Samsung 55JS8090
Samsung JU7000
Sony 55X8505c
Panasonic CXW704
Don't forget there will be a lot of special offers during the next 2 weeks so keep an eye out.
Couldn't find a real review so check out the amazon ones:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00TH5D0DS/
Congrats on the tv, I already canceled 2 TV preorders because I'm not willing to spend more than a 1000 Euro for a TV that won't have all the future proof features. Im looking really into the more budget friendly TVs for the time being before the new HDR standards are set and OLED and FALD displays with a acceptable lag and price are the new standard.
I guess it will be a decision between the Samsung:
https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ue55ju6400-uhd-review.11288
or the Panasonic:
https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-tx-50cx700b-review.11286
and of course the Sony 55X8505c:
https://www.avforums.com/review/sony-kd-65x8505c-4k-ultra-hd-tv-review.11902
What kind of games did you test on your Samsung and how tolerable are the black levels with no lights on?
Same as watching movies, if you like them and sit directly in front of them no problem if it suites your taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6O1WjINTVw
Hehe, I meant that question more in general. Currently I own an old 22" Samsung whatever (I think it already has LED backlight and a resolution of 1920x1080) and I believe that I need a new screen in some time. I definitely do not want a Smart TV since those are annoying as hell (booting for a minute, wtf). However, lately I was wandering through our local electronic store and found those curved screens really interesting. Only aspect which I was worried about, if the picture would be somehow "stretched". But I think it will be difficult to find a curved non-Smartv anyway.
Thanks for the video!
JudgmentJay
Member
Whether you like it or not all TVs are "Smart TVs" nowadays. I'm not sure where you heard that they take a minute to boot, but that's wrong. They take a few seconds tops.
That one minute was exaggerated, sorry. But the TV of a friend needs definitely more than "a few seconds" to offer all functions. For example the source selection needs more time to be available.
Well it's hard not to find a Smart TV, there are a only a few occasions when a TV needs that long to boot up, usually when you setup the first time or after a firmware update. Don't worry about the curved TVs if you don't want one there a plenty of regular flat ones, your taste and budget decides.
As usual for a quick overview visit www.rtings.com .
JudgmentJay
Member
If it's anything more than like 5 seconds, that TV is likely either defective, using out of date firmware, or very old. I've never used a TV where it took more than a few seconds to be fully up and running.
This has probably been answered numerous times but looking to get a TV this black friday and just wondering if I should go with a 60hz which seems to be significantly cheaper or 120hz. I'm not sure what the difference is, just looking for whats best
Also this wont be just a gaming TV but mainly movies/tv
Also this wont be just a gaming TV but mainly movies/tv
Pagusas
Elden Member
any samsung earlier than 2013 can have bad capacitor issues that will cause the screen to power cycle over and over again for about 15 - 20 seconds. My 52a650 suffered horribly from it.
120hz pannel are far and away prefered, the biggest benifits include:
Black Frame Insertion (some screens like Sony and Samsung have this that allow for less motion blur). Even without this 120hz screens handle motion blur better in general.
Correct 24fps playback (movies) a 120hz screen can perfectly playback 24fps content by repreating the frame 5 times, where as a 60hz tv cant display correctly so it has to do a 3:2 pulldown. Some people wont notice it.
I cant think of any "good" screens that are 60hz.
For movies you're definitely right if you want perfect 24p Playback a 100/120Hz panel is a must have, for console gaming not really a big deal if you don't use BFI, don't forget using motion interpolation increases the input lag and will most of the time disable the game mode complete.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/what-is-the-refresh-rate
"For TVs, the refresh rate means nothing, especially given that manufacturers inflate their numbers. A TV with a high refresh rate is not guaranteed to be free of motion blur. Even for console gaming, there is no advantage in using a 120Hz+ TV, because console video games are capped at 60 fps anyway."
Also a nice article with a overview over the current TV models and their refresh rate:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/fake...otion-rate-vs-sony-motionflow-vs-lg-trumotion
One discussion a friend of mine and me have regularly: Why are bigger screens better? I always defend the position that smaller is better, to a certain degree, of course. As I said earlier, I have a 22 inch Samsung TV, I solely use for gaming. He has an 4x inch TV which is also used for movies etc. I am thinking about getting a 32 inch tv now since I would mostly use it to play games and watch a movie here and there. But I would never buy such a big tv, since most games look extremely shitty on them.
Isn't it all about ppi when it comes to gaming? More close pixels create a sharper image.
Isn't it all about ppi when it comes to gaming? More close pixels create a sharper image.
Well with games being in HD nowadays, I think they look spectacular at any size. I play on a 120" screen 1080p projector and a 32" 1080p TV. If you sit extremely close to the screen PPI becomes more important.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Well, it depends on how far you sit from the TV. Some people sit 10 or more feet away from their TVs so a large screen will not harm IQ at that distance and it is almost necessary with the tiny fonts some game makers like to use these days. Personally, I have a 50 inch set and at normal seating distance I am about 10 feet away. I have to strain to read the small fonts in many games so I end up having to move a chair closer to the set just to make things easier. As a result, when I finally upgrade I am going with a 60-65" set.
Pagusas
Elden Member
for some of us gaming is about immersion, my 75" is just now reaching the point where I feel engulfed in the game. My 52" was way to small for that. PPI doesnt mean a damn thing if you dont feel immersed by the image being drawn, I need big and high quality to feel that.
I can't go back to smaller than 65 at this point. Once you go big, you can't go back.
That said...I would never go big and mediocre versus small and high quality. The difference between a low end TV and upper medium/high is huge. Especially when you're dealing with LED/LCD.
InVinoVeritas
Member
We just had our basement finished, and I'm looking at a 70" tv to mount down there. I didn't think going to 4k would be worth the price difference, and I found a Sharp Aquos LC-70LE660 2014 model on Amazon for $1500. For the 70" size that seemed like the best deal. Should I pull the trigger on this one or keep hunting? It seems like the price really jumps at the 70" size.
Hatemongerloid
Neo Member
Thinking about picking up a Samsung UN55JU7500. Reviews seem good, but I wanted to know if anyone thinks there is a better option at ~ $1,500.00. If you have one, what are your impressions?
$1500 steps you up to a better set even from Samsung, the JS8500, if it's on sale. Its a suhd line set, and it isn't curved.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
But the 8500 also has 15ms more input lag (36.9 ms), so there is a trade-off.
I will say this to people afraid of the curve: don't be. I was really worried that it would be a distraction and would hurt the experience. Now, for games at least, I don't know if I'll be able to go back to flat.
Keep in mind that I've got a 65 inch and sit about 4-5 feet away in the sweet spot, so it's a very limited extreme case. I'd NEVER want to watch a movie with a family using this TV. Side viewing is terrible. But for one person, sitting in the right spot, it just feels so much better with that very slight curve.
Never thought I'd think that.
Keep in mind that I've got a 65 inch and sit about 4-5 feet away in the sweet spot, so it's a very limited extreme case. I'd NEVER want to watch a movie with a family using this TV. Side viewing is terrible. But for one person, sitting in the right spot, it just feels so much better with that very slight curve.
Never thought I'd think that.
CrashPrime
Member
I really hate how TVs at stores have good quality 4k demo reels running (totally unrealistic representation of actual content) and then what appears to be 720p pixelated black friday ads and old NFL games running on every 1080p set both running in total torch mode. Impossible to compare stuff ugh!
Hi guys. I'm looking to get a new tv for gaming. I currently have the Sony 32" W654 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL32W6...ct_top?ie=UTF8.
There's three tv's I'm currently looking at:
the 50" Bravia W807 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL-50W...s=kdl50w807csu
the 49" 4K KD49X830 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KD-49X8...sony+kd49x8307
and the Samsung UE48JU6500 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-48-I...ung+ue48ju6500 (curved)
I love the colour on my 32" Bravia, and (for me) there's no noticeable lag during multiplayer.
Any advice/opinions on the three above ? Obviously don't want one that gives a worse picture or lag than the 32" Bravia. Thanks.
Will also be spending around 25% of my times watching Sky HD and blurays.
There's three tv's I'm currently looking at:
the 50" Bravia W807 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL-50W...s=kdl50w807csu
the 49" 4K KD49X830 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KD-49X8...sony+kd49x8307
and the Samsung UE48JU6500 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-48-I...ung+ue48ju6500 (curved)
I love the colour on my 32" Bravia, and (for me) there's no noticeable lag during multiplayer.
Any advice/opinions on the three above ? Obviously don't want one that gives a worse picture or lag than the 32" Bravia. Thanks.
Will also be spending around 25% of my times watching Sky HD and blurays.
Your TV got a input lag of about 33ms.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl32w653-201310313413.htm
You can compare this number with other models:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/input-lag
Your price limit appears to be 800£?
Reviews for your tvs:
Bravia W807
https://www.avforums.com/review/sony-kdl-55w805c-w805c-full-hd-1080p-android-tv-review.11817
KD49X830
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x830c
Samsung UE48JU6500
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju6700 (US model has a different number)
Models that could interest you:
https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ue55ju6400-uhd-review.11288
http://www.idealo.co.uk/compare/4754276/samsung-ju6400.html
https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-tx-50cx700b-review.11286
https://www.avforums.com/review/sony-kd-65x8505c-4k-ultra-hd-tv-review.11902 the 55" is probably over your price limit?
http://www.idealo.co.uk/compare/4779162/sony-kd-55x8509c.html
Hope this gives you a start
Yeah, budget is around £750, possibly £800 tops. Thanks for the reading material. I was under the impression that Panasonic aren't as good as Sony or Samsung, especially in terms of lag ? I Do love my Bravia, and would have gone straight for a 50" 1080p, but when I saw that you could pick up a 4K for the same sort of price, my mind started wondering. And when I saw the curved Samsung...Your TV got a input lag of about 33ms.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl32w653-201310313413.htm
You can compare this number with other models:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/input-lag
Your price limit appears to be 800£?
Reviews for your tvs:
Bravia W807
https://www.avforums.com/review/sony-kdl-55w805c-w805c-full-hd-1080p-android-tv-review.11817
KD49X830
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x830c
Samsung UE48JU6500
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju6700 (US model has a different number)
Models that could interest you:
https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ue55ju6400-uhd-review.11288
http://www.idealo.co.uk/compare/4754276/samsung-ju6400.html
https://www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-tx-50cx700b-review.11286
https://www.avforums.com/review/sony-kd-65x8505c-4k-ultra-hd-tv-review.11902 the 55" is probably over your price limit?
http://www.idealo.co.uk/compare/4779162/sony-kd-55x8509c.html
Hope this gives you a start
Is Android still that bad on the tv? There were rumours that firmware updates were meant to have resolved the issue somewhat. I may be nitpicking but you said "fairly pleased with the picture and lag"; can I ask what issues you have ?
I've had no issues with the picture and one with gaming mode, it's a solid TV for the money. I haven't really bothered with Android for about 3 months and I've had at least 2 software updates since then but when I first got it I had a few issues with it forgetting my wifi connection, apps locking up and needing to be killed and twice the TV not responding to the remote as it was stuck doing something in standby mode.
I haven't had any issues with the Android OS over the last month or two so it seems they have a better handle on it. The 2015 Sonys aren't bad TVs for the money but there do seem to be more options worth taking a look at if you're upgrading.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Yes YES YES, its horrible, its easily the worst part of the x940c. Its easily the buggiest, slowest and uglies TV UI I've delt with in modern times. If the TV wasnt so damn good I would have already returned it just for how crappy Android TV is. I have the most recent firmware update (that enabled HDR on the x940c) and if that supposedly brought stability... Jesus Christ it must have been a disaster before. Read the x930/940 owners thread on AVS, not a single person likes Android TV, we all consider it the worst part of the TV and wish sony had gone with anything else. Some of us are even worried its going to shorten the life of the TV as Sony has quietly dropped support for previous TV's running it, leaving them in a state of chaos.
If smart features are important to you, steer clear of any TV with it.
thiscoldblack
Unconfirmed Member
I've been wanting to get a 4K OLED TV with HDR, but the price is still a little high. However, I cannot deny - prices have improved a lot for both OLED and 4K. I might get get a set in 2016. Hopefully by then, LG has improved immensely their current models and 4K BD will be wide available.
Luckily for me, I'm not really interested in smart features (I don't know if connecting to nas or Netflix counts as smart ?) For the foreseeable future, the main use will be Battlefront multiplayer, and so the lag is really important. In terms of PQ, I'm not expecting to have something that blows my 32" Bravia away, but it would be nice
For as far as I can remember I've always thought that Sonys had the best PQ (some of the Pannys pre 2010 too), that's why I haven't really looked outside of Sony. I've got a 50" W829 in the living room, and that is gorgeous, so I wanted something as good if not better for my gaming room (not asking for much I know
).Depends on the receiver. Some have a game mode that will bypass processing that adds lag.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Depends, if your receiver has video processing built in (upscaling) than yes it can, but most have a "pass through" or "game" mode that allows that input to be a strait shot to the monitor out.
I only have a Denon installed right now, and it uses "game mode" under input settings/Video Type.
Oh yeah my reciever doesn't have a video card in it. No video processing. So I guess that means no added lag. Thanks!
Was thinking about plugging my PS4 into my TV directly anyway and then sending audio to my reveiver with my optical cable. I only have 5.1 so it shouldn't reduce any quality anywhere.
It seems that all of these "entry range" 4K tvs have one kind of a problem or another, the Sony has issues with contrast, and the Samsung has issues with judder, but also lag. If you set the JU6500 into game mode, the lag is low but the PQ is subpar. In any other mode the lag is bad. I may just end up going for the 1080p W8.
Yeah, budget is around £750, possibly £800 tops. Thanks for the reading material. I was under the impression that Panasonic aren't as good as Sony or Samsung, especially in terms of lag ? I Do love my Bravia, and would have gone straight for a 50" 1080p, but when I saw that you could pick up a 4K for the same sort of price, my mind started wondering. And when I saw the curved Samsung...
Luckily for me, I'm not really interested in smart features (I don't know if connecting to nas or Netflix counts as smart ?) For the foreseeable future, the main use will be Battlefront multiplayer, and so the lag is really important. In terms of PQ, I'm not expecting to have something that blows my 32" Bravia away, but it would be nice
For as far as I can remember I've always thought that Sonys had the best PQ (some of the Pannys pre 2010 too), that's why I haven't really looked outside of Sony. I've got a 50" W829 in the living room, and that is gorgeous, so I wanted something as good if not better for my gaming room (not asking for much I know
So I spend most about an hour at a local retailer, equipped with a usb stick and some hq videos (thanks @Gamersyde!). I checked the budget 4K TV from Samsung 48 JU6450, I liked the menu, the general picture was nice but nothing overwhelming imho, black level and contrast felt surprisingly close to an IPS panel.
Next was the Sony x8505/7c (7= silver bezel / US Sony x850c), wow huge difference in contrast and motion (and price difference of 500). The blacks felt really deep (yeah I know the lights are way to much in those shops). I can confirm that Android TV sucks and it was a hassle to setup the picture in the store.
Last TV that I checked was the Sony w805c basicly a x8505c in FullHD, picture was nice and very comparable to the x8505c the UI felt way smoother probably to the resolution decrease.
Prices at the Store:
Samsung 55JU6450 799
Sony 55w805c 1029 (Online 899)
Sony 55x8505c 1299
I asked if we could negotiate about the price for the x8505c, they denied it. So I went online found from the same retailer but at a different location the same TV for 1199 incl. shipping and closed the deal
))
Pagusas
Elden Member
It will reduce quality, you'll lose the ability to have uncompressed 5.1 from the PS4. Go PS4-->Reciever-->Tv, skip the optical at all cost.
Isn't this also a 2014 ips ?
By entry Sony4K you mean the x830c right? They use a IPS panel so blacks and contrast are worst. To bad we don't have the a real comparable model to the US x810c, the EU version the x8005c has only a 50Hz panel and an input lag of 50ms in game mode.
For the Samsung, if you use the TV mainly for games you don't have to worry about any judder (this is a problem with the 24p playback).
The W8c is a very nice TV and I'm sure you'll be satisfied with it, if possible go to your local retailer and take a look for yourself.
Nope they both are 2015 and use a VA panel.
Yeah, with the Samsung, it's the lag I'm really worried about; no point in low lag if the PQ is really bad.
Thanks BlizzyAzz for all the help!
DVPredator85
Member
I was gaming on a 55" 3D LED LG TV (love it for everything except gaming). Bought a cheap 24" monitor and my life has been great ever since.
There are barely any big brands TVs I would call really bad, you shouldn't worry about it to much, just look what is in your budget
http://www.idealo.co.uk/cat/4012F41...-2035758-2035759-2035761-2035765/led-tvs.html
and if possible visit a retailer before hand. Basicly if you enjoy your w829 you'll be able to enjoy other entry-midrange TVs.
If you want it simple and like Sony just buy the w805c
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl55w805c-201508034145.htm
Otherwise welcome to the hell of choices:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/video-gaming/best
And you're welcome
Arrrrrrrgh, I give up lol. Ok GAF, you're my only hope. Call it £850 for a tv, for gaming (need ok lag, but I'm not expecting to master the Battlefront leaderboards), also for movies (heard that some 4K's can't play mkv) so looking for a tv with a really good balance between the two. If it's better to go with a 1080p due to my budget, fair enough. You guys can decide now
Edit: Just seen your post BlizzyAzz.
Edit: Just seen your post BlizzyAzz.
FrankNitty
Member
When I was demoing the X940C I was not a fan of Android at all.
I have used a lot of smart platforms on various TV's and by far the best I have ever used is WebOS, followed by Samsungs new Tizen. All others have been pretty horrible.
Thank god for set top boxes that can handle all of what we need except streaming 4K content unless you have something that does it.
Ok, I'll do that... but if my receiver has no video card (no processing) then it doesn't add input lag?