Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Serenade_King
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I don't know where to ask so I'll ask here.
I just received a monitor I bought from Amazon the ASUS VG248QE. When I turn it on everything is fine but I noticed there is a green stuck pixel after a while, I tried fixing it with a flashing youtube video a friend sent me but didn't seem to work and I gave up. The next day I turn on the monitor again and there was no stuck pixel si I was happy, but after like 20 seconds the green stuck pixel returns. After a few tests I found that the stuck pixel works fine when the monitor is turned off for a while and then turned on for 20 to 25 seconds.
Does anyone know a way to fix this? Would Amazon send me another monitor just because of one stuck pixel?
I just received a monitor I bought from Amazon the ASUS VG248QE. When I turn it on everything is fine but I noticed there is a green stuck pixel after a while, I tried fixing it with a flashing youtube video a friend sent me but didn't seem to work and I gave up. The next day I turn on the monitor again and there was no stuck pixel si I was happy, but after like 20 seconds the green stuck pixel returns. After a few tests I found that the stuck pixel works fine when the monitor is turned off for a while and then turned on for 20 to 25 seconds.
Does anyone know a way to fix this? Would Amazon send me another monitor just because of one stuck pixel?
dolabla
Member
Thanks for the links!
I'm about 99% sure they would send you new one. Their customer service is fantastic. I would be absolutely shocked if they didn't.
Serenade_King
Banned
I was talking to a friend that has had to send things back to Amazon and he told me that they don't cover shipping since we're from Puerto Rico. He sent a monitor not long ago and it cost him $120 to send, Amazon payed him back because the monitor arrived dead but everything else he had to pay himself. I guess that I'm stuck with the monitor.
dolabla
Member
Ah, I didn't realize you were in Puerto Rico. They still might pay for all the costs since it's not your fault it's defected. If there's one thing I do know, it all depends on the person you get. Some people will be willing to go out of their way to help you and some just stick by the book.
If you still can't get anything done, just ask can you speak with a supervisor and he can maybe override the customer service rep. I actually had this happen just the other day on the TV I ordered. The first rep didn't do anything for me, but the second rep I talked got me a $50 credit after talking to his supervisor.
They're about to open the live chat here in a little while, so you can try and see. You shouldn't have to settle for something that's defected.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Even though i am pretty satisfied with the settings for when i am gaming, i am not yet satisfied with the settings for movies, Netflix mostly.
The default eco setting with user settings for Tru Motion is nice, but i feel it can still look a lot better. Any settings i can try out for movie watching on the EC9300?
The default eco setting with user settings for Tru Motion is nice, but i feel it can still look a lot better. Any settings i can try out for movie watching on the EC9300?
Why not use the Isf Expert mode? Can I ask why you've settled on the Eco mode?
Have you tried Rtings' settings?
exmachina64
Banned
TV arrived today, pretty pleased with Rting's settings.
I spent some time with the Sony 940C at Best Buy yesterday, and wound up pulling the trigger. Looks like my timing was good, since the price seems to have gone back up this morning. I was on the fence about upgrading now vs waiting for next year's models, but between a bit of store credit, the $1,000 price drop, and the Discover/Apple Pay cashback promo, it works out to around $4400 out of pocket, which feels like an abolute steal for this TV. Still a lot more than I have ever spent on a TV, but a steal nonetheless!
It's being delivered on Friday - I'm looking forward to getting it set up and putting it through its paces. I won't miss the high input lag and image retention issues on my ST60 (Destiny HUD is still visible under some conditions, 10 months after the fact). I'll most likely pay for a professional calibration once I've put some hours into the TV and decided I'm definitely keeping it. Any recommendations for an ISF calibrator in the Southern California area?
It's being delivered on Friday - I'm looking forward to getting it set up and putting it through its paces. I won't miss the high input lag and image retention issues on my ST60 (Destiny HUD is still visible under some conditions, 10 months after the fact). I'll most likely pay for a professional calibration once I've put some hours into the TV and decided I'm definitely keeping it. Any recommendations for an ISF calibrator in the Southern California area?
FrankNitty
Member
Nice congrats
For southern California (San Diego area) Bill Hergonson does calibration. Though I know Lion AV which is Gregg Loewen does tours here pretty frequently.
I personally do my own cause I have all the equipment and software, but those are your best best for So Cal people imho.
exmachina64
Banned
Katzmaier's a nice guy, but I'm not really seeing anything but an explanation of what local dimming is for the general consumer. It's certainly not a technical review of the usefulness of the feature.
If you do perceive the results to be superior to having the feature disabled, why would you turn it off outside of games? It would be most useful in a dark room.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
For gaming i went with PC + expert 1 mode, with things like super resolution at medium and most other enhancers off. I just really like super resolution, even when sites like Rtings say you should disable them. When i do disable it and i put sharpness at 10 or so i believe, i just find the overall picture more blurry than it needs to be.
For movies i just went with the default eco mode, had not thought of changing much about it. i'll see how expert 1 looks for movies.
Oh damn Rtings actually has sharpness at 0, nah that makes the picture so much more dull here. Can never settle on that.
Oh damn Rtings actually has sharpness at 0, nah that makes the picture so much more dull here. Can never settle on that.
You'll find sharpness set to 0 for almost all calibrations for almost all TV's.
Still debating between keeping my M55 or exchanging it for an M60. The jump from 40" to 55" is great but I still find myself sitting close to the TV and that's with it unmounted (about 6 inches or so away from the wall). Is there anything I should be aware of in moving to a 120 Hz panel, assuming I decide to go that route? What about PPI? I'm guessing this isn't really something to be concerned about?
SlaughterX
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Lol, that wasn't what I was saying at all.. But looking back, now that we know that 4k isn't even a feature of modern consoles and that plasma is pretty much dead and that OLED is finally affordable... I recommended the 55 inch LG OLED to my friend, which he just recently ordered. I bought the 55 inch Samsung JU7100 this summer because I plan on upgrading my PC to run games in 4k, but since he isn't a PC gamer I couldn't recommend any 4k TV for him since he wouldn't actually use it. I think we all know that the 4k LG OLED is the current king of you can afford it and a PC strong enough to take advantage of it.
If you can afford the OLED and a PC strong enough to drive it...odds are that the OLED isn't going to be good enough for you since the lag is significant.
I'd still recommend a 4k over a 1080p set. The upscaling is phenomenal, even on console games. Hell, Mario Maker looks outstanding!
Pretty much most TVs are going to have too high of input lag and response times for PC gaming. If you're PC gaming and hooked up to a TV you're looking for something different all together from a display, and/or using your rig as a HTPC.
Had a long time Kuro and ZT supporter look at my tv, they placed an order for one immediately lol. I can't wait until they tweak OLED further. It's the future, no doubt, of display panels. I just hope Sony gets one out before their TV sector goes belly up. They if anyone will be able to nail motion even better out of the box.
As far as calibrations, sites like Rtings is ok. Keep in mind most enthusiasts will tweak it from there to their tastes. I hate warm whites, but hate cool whites as well, so I go neutral on them for example.
Had a long time Kuro and ZT supporter look at my tv, they placed an order for one immediately lol. I can't wait until they tweak OLED further. It's the future, no doubt, of display panels. I just hope Sony gets one out before their TV sector goes belly up. They if anyone will be able to nail motion even better out of the box.
As far as calibrations, sites like Rtings is ok. Keep in mind most enthusiasts will tweak it from there to their tastes. I hate warm whites, but hate cool whites as well, so I go neutral on them for example.
Pocky4Th3Win
Member
Got my XBR65X850C delivered and mounted. It's amazing, played the Uncharted Collection for 3 hours straight. So beautiful.
Celcius
°Temp. member
Is it true that the same 4k tv can have different input lag for running in 1080p than 4k running 4:4:4 chroma? Meaning that if today you get 25ms input lag with your ps4, and then in 5 years if a hypothetical 4k ps5 comes along and you connect it to discover that you now get 40ms input lag when gaming in 4k?
I couldn't notice the different on my 4k TV and I've been playing pretty much just fighting games. 4K 4:4:4 no doubt is going to introduce a little bit more lag, again its so minuscule I don't notice it when I play games on PC with it.
I do run it outside of games when I remember to switch profiles, otherwise, I don't trust any feature that might mess with input lag unless I know it is confirmed not to...
Although rtngs pretty much said the E60 is low lag with all and any, settings
Finally got to try out the EG9100, which was delivered earlier today, and OH MY GOD!
Kuro LX5090 is/was my previous TV, but the EG9100 is just incredible. OLED is a game-changer.
I've been gaming on it for six hours straight, and I just can't get enough of it. I adjusted the settings, as the standard settings weren't good, and now every game looks so much better than they looked on my Kuro.
If anyone wants to try out the settings:
PC + Game
OLED Light: 60
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 55
Sharpness: 10
Colour: 48-50
Colour temp: W30
Gamma: Medium/Standard
You should definitely try out ISF Mode for movies. Sharpness at 0 is wrong, and I have no idea why they've set it as such. 10 is neutral on this set, and is plenty sharp enough. You shouldn't have to put sharpness higher than that. Regardless of sharpness, try their other settings, and see if you like them.
Kuro LX5090 is/was my previous TV, but the EG9100 is just incredible. OLED is a game-changer.
I've been gaming on it for six hours straight, and I just can't get enough of it. I adjusted the settings, as the standard settings weren't good, and now every game looks so much better than they looked on my Kuro.
If anyone wants to try out the settings:
PC + Game
OLED Light: 60
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 55
Sharpness: 10
Colour: 48-50
Colour temp: W30
Gamma: Medium/Standard
Sounds like you have a thing for oversharpening, man, and have just gotten used to it by now. I don't have the EC9300, but sharpness at 10 on my EG9100 is just perfect. Pretty sure it's the same for the EC9300.For gaming i went with PC + expert 1 mode, with things like super resolution at medium and most other enhancers off. I just really like super resolution, even when sites like Rtings say you should disable them. When i do disable it and i put sharpness at 10 or so i believe, i just find the overall picture more blurry than it needs to be.
For movies i just went with the default eco mode, had not thought of changing much about it. i'll see how expert 1 looks for movies.
Oh damn Rtings actually has sharpness at 0, nah that makes the picture so much more dull here. Can never settle on that.
You should definitely try out ISF Mode for movies. Sharpness at 0 is wrong, and I have no idea why they've set it as such. 10 is neutral on this set, and is plenty sharp enough. You shouldn't have to put sharpness higher than that. Regardless of sharpness, try their other settings, and see if you like them.
Damn,,, could have spent the extra $1100 over what I did but man I want OLED. 2-3 years with this and see what's what on pricing.. I could afford it but man just can't justify the difference. If I saw it in my game room I might change my mind.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
I have it, picked up the 65" last week when it was on sale. It's a pretty awesome set for gaming with low input lag (21ms).
Update to my previous posts - Good news, everyone! Since I was annoyed at the slightly pink-tinted section on my panel, and figured I had nothing to lose, I took a soft lint-free cloth and used the "gentle massage" method that is sometimes suggested to relieve clouding and the tint is gone! As a bonus, the minor clouding is also gone. Maybe the two were related. Pretty happy with the set now.
I've waited for OLED TVs for a long time now, so I just had to buy one. Luckily, money is not an issue for me at this moment in time, and that's why I bought one now, but I can totally understand that most people can't justify the price difference right now. Which TV did you buy btw?
In 2-3 years, Samsung, Sony and others will certainly have joined the OLED race, so the prices will definitely be lower at that point. You have a lot to look forward to!
Went with Vizio E60. By the time I grab an OLED in ~2 years I'll have gotten rid of DirecTv so I hope to be feeding it higher quality sources only. Well at least I have something to look forward too.
Also is OLED susceptible to burn in?
No evidence of burn-in on these sets so far. Some temporary IR may occur if you have a static image on for a very long time, but you'd have to be pretty uncareful for it to happen AFAIK. The LG OLED sets does a kind of "washing process" (can't remember what it's called) when you turn off the TV, to prevent it from happening.Went with Vizio E60. By the time I grab an OLED in ~2 years I'll have gotten rid of DirecTv so I hope to be feeding it higher quality sources only. Well at least I have something to look forward too.
Also is OLED susceptible to burn in?
Compensation wipe after "x" hours. You can get permanent burn in but would have to purposely do it basically.
Glad so many people are enjoying their OLEDs like I am.
Early plasma TVs really got the public spooked about burn-in, which is something that really hasn't been a true concern for a long time.
I mean hell, even CRTs burn in (remember the "GAME OVER" burn-in on Pole Position machines during the 80s?), but how many of us actually ever saw a consumer CRT TV get screen burn?
I mean hell, even CRTs burn in (remember the "GAME OVER" burn-in on Pole Position machines during the 80s?), but how many of us actually ever saw a consumer CRT TV get screen burn?
I have a triple monitor setup with three VG248QEs. I think I bought one off Newegg and the other two at Nebraska Furniture Mart. I'm not certain of the Amazon policy on stuck or dead pixels, but at NFM it was limited to more than 5 or so. The ASUS warranty is something like 3+, so it may be dicey to try to go that way.
I was aware of the limitations on the returns due to stuck pixels, so I went a different route when returning for a new monitor. I just said that the monitor had a strange tint compared to the other two which I was using in a triple screen setup, so I'd like to swap it for a new one. That way there was no way to disprove my claim when they tested, and it wouldn't be in relation to the stuck pixel. Might want to consider doing this.
Unknown Soldier
Member
My Panasonic 65VT60 got burn-in.
Your argument is invalid.
I would like to see some of these OLED owners test their TVs by playing an MMO with static HUD elements like WoW or FFXIV for day or two and have them report back on burn-in.
Actually, don't do this. You guys don't want to fuck up your expensive TVs. But if you've never really stressed a plasma or OLED with static on-screen elements, don't come here and talk nonsense to people who have.
LlamaBandito
Member
I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a M50-C1. Does anyone have one and would recommend it?
Jigolo
Member
Fantastic TV. That's the exact model I own and its been great for me in the past 3 weeks. Even better once calibrated (I used 709). Gaming is responsive too, been playing Sm4sh on it.
LlamaBandito
Member
The only thing I'm nervous about is the 50" only being 60hz. I have a UN55J6300AFXZA on order, and while it's 1080 and 120hz, the M50-C1 looks a little more appealing even though it's a little smaller than the Samsung I have on order. Anyone have thoughts on this?
Serenade_King
Banned
Thanks for all the help, I still haven't talked to Amazon since I'm still trying to see if I can find a way to fix the problem but if by tomorrow the problem is still present I will call them. I just feel like there should be a way to fix it since yesterday it took 30 minutes for the pixel to turn green, and before that it works perfectly. Even now as I'm writing this message it suddenly turned green after 11 minutes, at the beginning it used to take seconds for the pixel to turn green. But aside from the pixel problem I must say this monitor looks awesome, even better than my Samsung 46" 6350 TV to the point I'm thinking of connecting my PS4 to the monitor.
drotahorror
Member
I wonder why RTings settings look great on blu rays and games but when I switch to satellite it looks like trash and I have to use a preset?
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
My guess is because Cable/Satellite is often heavily compressed and of relatively poor visual quality. With my cable it varies widely even from one channel to the next. When you use calibration settings, they usually have you turn off all the extra processing features like noise reduction, dynamic contrast, etc. Games and Blu-rays look great on their own. They don't need any help and in fact those features can cause undesired effects like black crush, lag, or weird artifacts so they are turned off. But with cable, those enhancements can be helpful and they are probably still on with your other presets. On my set I basically calibrated the Game and Movie settings with those things turned off, and then left them on for Standard mode, which I sometimes use when watching poor quality cable.
Why did you say "don't want 4K"? If someone suggested a set that is 55", good for gaming, fit in your budget, but was 4K, would you not take it?
I have to agree with Dr.Zoidberg
4K TVs aren't that much more expensive.
For a general overview I set the filters already for the popular manufactures, price range and size.
http://www.idealo.co.uk/filter/1620...2760647-2845372-2845373/tvs.html#Manufacturer
I have played single games straight through for 6+ hours on my 65EF9500, no IR let alone burn in. I have seen EC9300's with panel destroying burn in though. The one at my local best buy had the webOS menu burnt in leaving faint yellow markings behind. But they let the menu up for 3 days straight.
Maybe the 9100/9500/9600 handle it differently, or perhaps people are smart enough to not let it even have a chance to happen in the first place.
Unknown Soldier
Member
If you have to alter your gaming or viewing habits to suit your TV, that's considered no bueno to the vast majority of owners and it's a big reason plasma could never survive in the market.
Plasmas got a reputation for burn-in for a reason. To deny it is lunacy and the biggest reason plasma died as a technology is because the plasma manufacturers just buried their heads in the sand and made sure burn-in was not covered by warranties. Panasonic can get fucked, the NeoPDP tech they introduced in their final generation of plasma panels actually made burn-in worse.
Let's see how OLEDs fare. Considering I've gotten burn-in on the phones I own which use OLED panels, I'm not optimistic OLED will fare better than plasma in the long run.
Anytime you have a technology where pixel elements can wear unevenly and change brightness over their lifetimes at different relative rates, there will always be the possibility of burn-in. And in the long run, it's almost impossible to perfectly wear every pixel evenly. CRT got away with it because the technology matured to the point where it took longer than a human lifetime for uneven phosphor wear to be visible. Plasma never reached that point. And now we have OLED, let's see how that goes guys. Thanks for beta testing the technology for me though, OLED TV owners!
I've had my ec9300 for almost nine months no with no burn-in. over 1000 hours on it so far.
I don't know how the store demo ones manage to get burn in, I've had static HUDs on this TV up for hours with not a trace of IR.
I do, however, keep the OLED light pretty low at 40 as I game in a pitch black room. Maybe that's key to preventing IR. The store demo units usually max out the brightness.
I've been saying this for 2 years.
LOL
Yeah, at some point you just need to close the book, jump in, and ignore all new TVs. Until you're ready to buy another.