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[Kelegacy]

In the EC9300 thread on AVS i saw a recommendation from a poster to use 1.9 for gamma and not 2.2 or even 2.4. So i tried this while i had Xbox One's dashboard one and i noticed immediately how 2.2 and 2.4 actually crush blacks, i clearly lose detail. All this time i was under the impression that 2.4 was the one to go for, but 2.2 and 2.4 actually make it too dark for my liking. This does make some games look a bit too bright on the other hand, but the game's own brightness slider can help with that.

I just tested it with Rise of the Tomb Raider and using the PC + expert 1 combo. Anything higher than 1.9 makes her skin look like as if she's been in the sun for a rather long time, lol.

When you put the tv in game mode I don't believe those settings are available, at least on my 9100. Are you gaming outside of game mode? I did see tons more options available under Expert such as exact gamma levels (game mode simplifies this by just saying Gamma Low, Medium, High), but I haven't used that mode while playing.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Best TV for Picture and Performance between $5-$800?

I was looking at this in 50"...

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/w800c ($700 at BBY and Amazon, atm).

Anyone?

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

When you put the tv in game mode I don't believe those settings are available, at least on my 9100. Are you gaming outside of game mode? I did see tons more options available under Expert such as exact gamma levels (game mode simplifies this by just saying Gamma Low, Medium, High), but I haven't used that mode while playing.

For Game mode it should be on low. That should be the same as 1.9

Most of the time I use the PC and Expert 1 combo because that low input lag is lovely and you can get the picture quality pretty damn close to the Game mode picture quality too.

I just tried out several more games and I dig this a lot more. I also compared it with another screen to see if it's actually too bright and it turns out it's exactly the same. I am keeping it at 1.9/low

 

[Kelegacy]

For Game mode it should be on low. That should be the same as 1.9

Most of the time I use the PC and Expert 1 combo because that low input lag is lovely and you can get the picture quality pretty damn close to the Game mode picture quality too.

I just tried out several more games and I dig this a lot more. I also compared it with another screen to see if it's actually too bright and it turns out it's exactly the same. I am keeping it at 1.9/low

Hmm, I have it on medium and it's super dark. My Black level is set to Low though.

How exactly do you rename it to PC? Under inputs I can choose which device it is (game console, DVD, PC, etc) and also you can edit the name. I changed the input name to PC but also chose PC as the device just in case. I also chose Game Mode as the picture setting and edited the image that way. I figured that would be best for input lag.

Maybe I will toy with it tonight and just rename it to PC but choose a different picture setting and see if the lag increases (if I can even feel it).

 

[spookytapes]

I bought a 55 inch Sony LED tv a few months ago and overall I love it.

This model, the XBR55X810C:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148OZLOS/?tag=neogaf0e-20

PROS:

• No discernable input lag (to me)
• All HDMI inputs support 4K resolutions (most current 4K sets only have one)
• Includes component / composite inputs as well
• Android TV + Sony TV = play emulators with a DualShock4 natively without having to root or sideload anything - a seriously awesome feature! I unhooked my old HTPC.
• Incredible picture in 4K, does good enough job upscaling everything else

CONS:

• Android TV can be janky as hell - I got a Roku 4 and just use Android for the emus mostly
• This model doesn't include the voice remote, but again, android TV is meh so whatever
• Could have deeper blacks and brighter colors compared to an OLED or Plasma but it's more than good enough for me.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Hmm, I have it on medium and it's super dark. My Black level is set to Low though.

How exactly do you rename it to PC? Under inputs I can choose which device it is (game console, DVD, PC, etc) and also you can edit the name. I changed the input name to PC but also chose PC as the device just in case. I also chose Game Mode as the picture setting and edited the image that way. I figured that would be best for input lag.

Maybe I will toy with it tonight and just rename it to PC but choose a different picture setting and see if the lag increases (if I can even feel it).

I have my Xbox One set to PC RGB color space and the TV black level to high. But putting it on standard on Xbox and low on TV should be the same.

Changing the icon to PC is the right thing, renaming it doesn't change a thing. when that is done I set the picture mode to expert 1 and take over the Game mode's default settings. Don't use the game mode in PC mode though, the input lag is slightly better than when you use expert but it really sacrifices picture quality too.

 

[Kelegacy]

I have my Xbox One set to PC RGB color space and the TV black level to high. But putting it on standard on Xbox and low on TV should be the same.

Changing the icon to PC is the right thing, renaming it doesn't change a thing. when that is done I set the picture mode to expert 1 and take over the Game mode's default settings. Don't use the game mode in PC mode though, the input lag is slightly better than when you use expert but it really sacrifices picture quality too.

Weird. I thought the game mode looked just as good so I didn't notice any sacrifice. I mean, the tv looks phenomenal so I am not even sure. I'll have to toy around tonight. On my old Samsung and even my 2011 Sharp, I did notice that game mode is worse picture wise, so I never used it on my Samsung. On the OLED, couldn't see what was worse after I changed some settings really.

It is also strange that "renaming" only means changing the icon. I thought editing the name was how you "rename" it to PC mode. Hmm, guess I learned something today!

 

[Hobbun]

[*]Incredible picture in 4K, does good enough job upscaling everything else

This is another one of the factors why I was looking at the Sony X940D. I heard both the X940C, and now the X940D, do a very good job upscaling. Which if you are only concerned with 4K, then it’s not something you are concerned with. However, that the majority of the content is still 720/1080, and no 4K games as of yet, good upscaling is a pertinent feature.

I am not sure how well the OLEDs do in regards to upscaling content.

 

[TerryLee81]

Well well well...

 

[PeterVenkman]

I really should unsubscribe from this thread until oled comes down in price more.

Who am I kidding. Give impressions plz.

 

[julrik]

Well well well...

Congrats! The PQ is amazing. Returned mine because of tinting and vignetting, though, but hopefully you got a better panel than I did.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

man I want to upgrade my VT 25 plasma but nothing out there seems have a good balance of input lag and picture quality.

damn I miss plasmas

 

[Mossybrew]

I bought a 55 inch Sony LED tv a few months ago and overall I love it.

This model, the XBR55X810C:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148OZLOS/?tag=neogaf0e-20

PROS:

• No discernable input lag (to me)
• All HDMI inputs support 4K resolutions (most current 4K sets only have one)
• Includes component / composite inputs as well
• Android TV + Sony TV = play emulators with a DualShock4 natively without having to root or sideload anything - a seriously awesome feature! I unhooked my old HTPC.
• Incredible picture in 4K, does good enough job upscaling everything else

CONS:

• Android TV can be janky as hell - I got a Roku 4 and just use Android for the emus mostly
• This model doesn't include the voice remote, but again, android TV is meh so whatever
• Could have deeper blacks and brighter colors compared to an OLED or Plasma but it's more than good enough for me.

Got this same model a couple weeks ago. Since I was on a budget, the price was right, coming in just over a thousand dollars after taxes. I certainly don't need a high end TV and the picture on this set looks fantastic to me. Upscaling is great, PS4 games look amazingly sharp, even if you get super close to the screen. One interesting thing is I found that games look better IMO in Standard mode as opposed to the dedicated Game setting - which may have reduced input lag, but I've played quite a few PS4 games on the set and I can't detect any lag at all.

 

[PeterVenkman]

Congrats! The PQ is amazing. Returned mine because of tinting and vignetting, though, but hopefully you got a better panel than I did.

An really hoping the 2016 panels have all that sorted, though the cost will probably be too high.

 

[julrik]

man I want to upgrade my VT 25 plasma but nothing out there seems have a good balance of input lag and picture quality.

damn I miss plasmas

The new OLEDs, if they've fixed vignetting, tinting, etc.

An really hoping the 2016 panels have all that sorted, though the cost will probably be too high.

Me too. If they've managed to sort out the issues, I'll buy one, even though they're expensive.

 

[irrotational]

I can't tell - which 55 OLED is that? I got the 55EF950 (the flat one) and it's really awesome. The blacks are really good and really help the colours.

Oddly the best bit about 4k so far, for me, has been the 3d performance. It means you get 1080p for each eye and the 3d picture looks really bright and sharp. It's a shame it's not taken off in a bigger way but I think films really have to be shot with 3d in mind.

I'm not sure the response time is that great (compared to monitors) but it's not awful and my reactions are the weakest link in the chain...

 

[julrik]

I can't tell - which 55 OLED is that?

It's the EG910.

 

[Kelegacy]

Well well well...

I can't see the image since I'm at work but I'm guessing it's a pic of your tv.

Impressions!!!! C'mon!

 

[Buburibon]

Anyone?

It's one of the best (and perhaps last) 1080p sets you can get. I gave one of my "gamer" friends the 55" W800C for Christmas, and she absolutely loves it. I helped her set it up, and my first impressions were quite favorable. It's aesthetically pleasing (i.e. it doesn't look cheaply made), the PQ is great with deep blacks (even deeper when you engage the backlight strobing), fairly accurate colors out of the box, and more than enough brightness for daytime viewing. The review on rtings is definitely mistaken on that front. Then again, I only look at their reviews for things like input lag and pixel response time.

 

[TerryLee81]

It's the EG910.

Yes it's the 910. Couldn't afford the 4k models, and I'll wait a few years for more 4k content.

Congrats! The PQ is amazing. Returned mine because of tinting and vignetting, though, but hopefully you got a better panel than I did.

Can't make out any faults untill now, but I just installed it. It's made in 2016 accoording to the serial number on the box, and according to AVS forum these have a bit less issues.

I can't see the image since I'm at work but I'm guessing it's a pic of your tv.

Impressions!!!! C'mon!

It's fantastic, and I haven't even calibratet it yet. Reminds of my plasma I owned a few years back, but god damn it's so much better. Oh did I miss the blacks.

 

[PeterVenkman]

Yes it's the 910. Couldn't afford the 4k models, and I'll wait a few years for more 4k content.



Can't make out any faults untill now, but I just installed it. It's made in 2016 accoording to the serial number on the box, and according to AVS forum these have a bit less issues.



It's fantastic, and I haven't even calibratet it yet. Reminds of my plasma I owned a few years back, but god damn it's so much better. Oh did I miss the blacks.

That's great to hear, I really am mainly waiting for them to get their panel consistency down, along with the price.

 

[Kelegacy]

It's fantastic, and I haven't even calibratet it yet. Reminds of my plasma I owned a few years back, but god damn it's so much better. Oh did I miss the blacks.

Yeah the blacks, so good. It makes all the other tvs in the house look like utter trash. And they are great tvs.

I think as more people witness OLED, the more they will realize this is where the future of tvs needs to go. Samsung and Sony may jump back into the fray if LG has big success, as I hope they do as the sole manufacturer with the balls to keep creating.

 

[TerryLee81]

Yeah the blacks, so good. It makes all the other tvs in the house look like utter trash. And they are great tvs.

I think as more people witness OLED, the more they will realize this is where the future of tvs needs to go. Samsung and Sony may jump back into the fray if LG has big success, as I hope they do as the sole manufacturer with the balls to keep creating.

There's rumors that Samsung is getting back in.

And Panasonic and Philips buy panels from LG for their top TVs

Watching WALL-E right now, god damn the picture is amazing

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's one of the best (and perhaps last) 1080p sets you can get. I gave one of my "gamer" friends the 55" W800C for Christmas, and she absolutely loves it. I helped her set it up, and my first impressions were quite favorable. It's aesthetically pleasing (i.e. it doesn't look cheaply made), the PQ is great with deep blacks (even deeper when you engage the backlight strobing), fairly accurate colors out of the box, and more than enough brightness for daytime viewing. The review on rtings is definitely mistaken on that front. Then again, I only look at their reviews for things like input lag and pixel response time.

Thanks for the feedback. I was torn between that one, the Vizio E50 that is almost half the price they recommended with an edge, and a Samsung J6300.

I saw it in the store and it looked great in full bright ass lights. I am not watching it on a beach, lol. I tend to turn down brightness on overly bright sets anyhow, to save the lamp/bulbs and not make my eyes bleed, lol.

 

[FrankNitty]

Well well well...

Welcome to the club my man

 

[MrJames]

Yes, yours is pretty advanced. Just curious, how long have you been noticing the issue with your TV? I noticed the yellowish tint back in September of last year, and has gotten a little worse since then. For yours to completely cover your screen, and to have that heavy of a tint, it has had to been going on for quite awhile now.



Yes, I’ve heard more than once LG has really improved on the vignetting. I hope that is truly the case, it is a large factor why I was holding off on the EF9500, but not the only one. As I said before, also with judder (and didn’t like the TruMotion solution with the ‘soap opera’ effect), the input lag was never really that good for OLED (but I am hearing the G6 is in the mid 30s, that I can deal with) and burn-in prevention is also supposed to be much better, as well. All were factors on why I was holding off on OLED.

I will be especially curious to see what is said about the judder (or hopefully absence of it), as it’s not talked about as much as the vignetting, but it is something I notice when watching other TVs and it annoys me. I would like to see what kind of ‘solution’ LG offers for the G6, and how it is better now. And I hope it is not TruMotion still, as having the screen blur instead of giving the judder effect is just as annoying.

I was also in the same boat as yourself with the Sony X940C. With the speakers, I just didn’t have the space, but now that they got rid of them for the X940D, it is an option. I will be following the 940D and the G6 closely and see what people (owners) will be saying about them.

The OB issue started around mid to late 2013. I noticed a small yellowish tint in the bottom right edge. In 2014 it started spreading at the top edge of the screen. In early 2015 there were some circular patterns starting to form in the center of the screen.

This pic was taken around last June. It's a standard blue screen test pattern. Red and green are fine.

Since then it has filled in the entire screen.

As far as the OLED G6 goes, you probably don't want to buy it unless you really want the soundbar and need to buy now. The E6 is expected around late March or April. Performance should be identical and will cost $1,000 less. Most people aren't buying a G6 but are interested in it because it comes out first and will tell us what to expect from the lower tier models.

Well well well...

Congrats.

 

[Hobbun]

The OB issue started around mid to late 2013. I noticed a small yellowish tint in the bottom right edge. In 2014 it started spreading at the top edge of the screen. In early 2015 there were some circular patterns starting to form in the center of the screen.

This pic was taken around last June. It's a standard blue screen test pattern. Red and green are fine.


Since then it has filled in the entire screen.

Ok, so it does take quite awhile, and I have longer than originally anticipated. Not that I want to wait until it fills the screen, but didn't know it went this slow on the advancement of getting worse. That's good, it gives me some more time to upgrade.

As far as the OLED G6 goes, you probably don't want to buy it unless you really want the soundbar and need to buy now. The E6 is expected around late March or April. Performance should be identical and will cost $1,000 less. Most people aren't buying a G6 but are interested in it because it comes out first and will tell us what to expect from the lower tier models.

The E6 has the soundbar as well, but the wattage is not as high. Honestly, the soundbar is not a factor for me as I already have surround sound and would not be using the sound from the TV. But yes, saving some money would be a good thing.

 

[MrJames]

The E6 has the soundbar as well, but the wattage is not as high. Honestly, the soundbar is not a factor for me as I already have surround sound and would not be using the sound from the TV. But yes, saving some money would be a good thing.

Yeah I don't give a shit about the soundbar either but the E6 is the cheapest 3D flat model and it will be out a lot sooner that the C6. If you don't care about 3D and are willing to wait then the B6 will cost even less.

 

[Kelegacy]

http://slickdeals.net/f/8445029-55-lg-55eg9100-1080p-curved-smart-oled-3d-hdtv-1400-free-shipping

Saw on slickdeals deal is back for the 9100. $1400 from Adorama via eBay. They have this sale every couple of weeks these days. I wonder how long until the darn MSRP drops so more people can snag one (if they aren't saving up for the 4K models).

I played Axiom Verge tonight on this tv and even for an 8-bit or whatever style, the game looked fantastic thanks to the infinite black and the bright colors.

 

[farmerboy]

Well if performance is going to be the same between all the models i suppose i can do without the soundbar and thin panel and just wait for a B6. That should save me a couple of grand over the G6 at least. And give me more time to save up.

But Christ that thin panel sure looks purdy.

 

[osiris3355]

I bought a 55 inch Sony LED tv a few months ago and overall I love it.

This model, the XBR55X810C:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148OZLOS/?tag=neogaf0e-20

PROS:

• No discernable input lag (to me)
• All HDMI inputs support 4K resolutions (most current 4K sets only have one)
• Includes component / composite inputs as well
• Android TV + Sony TV = play emulators with a DualShock4 natively without having to root or sideload anything - a seriously awesome feature! I unhooked my old HTPC.
• Incredible picture in 4K, does good enough job upscaling everything else

CONS:

• Android TV can be janky as hell - I got a Roku 4 and just use Android for the emus mostly
• This model doesn't include the voice remote, but again, android TV is meh so whatever
• Could have deeper blacks and brighter colors compared to an OLED or Plasma but it's more than good enough for me.

It's not Android TV. I think the X1 cpu in the 2015 models is underpowered. There's no jank in Android TV set top boxes.

The 2016 models are out in March and have a faster processor. Also they come with the voice search with the standard remote. Hopefully everything will be better with these sets.

 

[J-Rzez]

Well well well...

Welcome to being ruined from ever watching a LED tv ever again lol.

But seriously, for some they know contrast is king, and many others don't know this, but they just know the tv looks different. They think it's brighter, it's just the contrast makes it seem that way or theyre talking about how it doesn't degrade from wider angles.

It's inevitable, OLED will take over in time. Sony and Samsung can only bandaid LEDs for so long. Hell samsung already tried and bet on the wrong tech, Sony made the first consumer OLED and they make the best professional monitor for mastering in Hollywood which is an OLED. Japan invested in OLED development recently. Dell just unveiled a ridiculously overpriced OLED computer monitor, others will hopefully follow, just priced better. It's tech is flexible, literally, for more applications. It's happening people, embrace it, or bite the pillow.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

I keep seeing that, that once you go OLED you won't go back because the PQ is just insane. I have the EC9300 and I definitely love it. I mean the black levels are unmatched when it comes to for example my brother's TV, which is a Sony W829. But I watch a movie at his place once every week, most of the time on Netflix and the picture quality is absolutely fine. I'd even go as far as to say I like to better than my TV, it's more crisp. That's probably thanks to the Sony's X Reality Pro engine. Or maybe I am still using the wrong settings for movies. But so far I am not terribly impressed with watching Netflix on it. I still have yet to watch a Blu Ray though. But for me so far, now that I went OLED it's not necessarily that I'll never go back to whatever else comes out.

 

[Jigolo]

Welcome to being ruined from ever watching a LED tv ever again lol.

But seriously, for some they know contrast is king, and many others don't know this, but they just know the tv looks different. They think it's brighter, it's just the contrast makes it seem that way or theyre talking about how it doesn't degrade from wider angles.

It's inevitable, OLED will take over in time. Sony and Samsung can only bandaid LEDs for so long. Hell samsung already tried and bet on the wrong tech, Sony made the first consumer OLED and they make the best professional monitor for mastering in Hollywood which is an OLED. Japan invested in OLED development recently. Dell just unveiled a ridiculously overpriced OLED computer monitor, others will hopefully follow, just priced better. It's tech is flexible, literally, for more applications. It's happening people, embrace it, or bite the pillow.

Not to mention the tons of laptops announced at CES with OLED screens. It's getting there

 

[DeepEnigma]

http://slickdeals.net/f/8445029-55-lg-55eg9100-1080p-curved-smart-oled-3d-hdtv-1400-free-shipping

Saw on slickdeals deal is back for the 9100. $1400 from Adorama via eBay. They have this sale every couple of weeks these days. I wonder how long until the darn MSRP drops so more people can snag one (if they aren't saving up for the 4K models).

I played Axiom Verge tonight on this tv and even for an 8-bit or whatever style, the game looked fantastic thanks to the infinite black and the bright colors.

So tempted. So so tempted.

 

[JaggedSac]

Wanting to get an affordable 4k tv. Which one would be the better buy? The Vizio M or P series. Only a couple hundred dollar difference between the two. I've heard good things about the M but nothing about the P.

 

[Pocky4Th3Win]

It's not Android TV. I think the X1 cpu in the 2015 models is underpowered. There's no jank in Android TV set top boxes.

The 2016 models are out in March and have a faster processor. Also they come with the voice search with the standard remote. Hopefully everything will be better with these sets.

I got the 850c and actually like my experience with Android TV. I use Plex all the time on it and it's been great. Haven't tried to do much but for my media consumption it's been great.

 

[Horsemama1956]

I'll jump on OLED TV when they increase the motion resolution and uniformity issues. A lot of these TVs posted in this thread have like 600 lines of motion resolution which is pretty shitty and I will not use motion enhancement. The LG posted above looks really bad to me when things get moving.

 

[osiris3355]

I got the 850c and actually like my experience with Android TV. I use Plex all the time on it and it's been great. Haven't tried to do much but for my media consumption it's been great.

Thats good to hear since I am buying the 850d next month. Odd that some people are having performance issues while others aren't. Pretty sure Sony used the same chipset and software in all 2015 Android TV models

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'll jump on OLED TV when they increase the motion resolution and uniformity issues. A lot of these TVs posted in this thread have like 600 lines of motion resolution which is pretty shitty and I will not use motion enhancement. The LG posted above looks really bad to me when things get moving.

I thought they had the best motion with .1ms response time? Or am I misunderstanding, can you explain?

 

[MrJames]

Wanting to get an affordable 4k tv. Which one would be the better buy? The Vizio M or P series. Only a couple hundred dollar difference between the two. I've heard good things about the M but nothing about the P.

The M series are 2015 models and the P series are from 2014. Both are due to be refreshed by Vizio in the Spring.

 

[JaggedSac]

The M series are 2015 models and the P series are from 2014. Both are due to be refreshed by Vizio in the Spring.

Gotcha, thanks. Are the new models likely to be around the price of the M's?

 

[Kelegacy]

I thought they had the best motion with .1ms response time? Or am I misunderstanding, can you explain?

Yeah I dont know what he means either. OLEDs should be one of the best TVs for motion.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Holy shit, i feel like a dumbass now, a real dumbass. I bought the LG OLED EC9300 /EC930v last October and while I was impressed with it at first it never really blew me away. I tried out games like Rise of the Tomb Raider for example and I was expecting one amazing looking game because the enthusiasm was quite big when it released. I never truly saw what was so special and the same for watching shows and movies on Netflix. I saw my bro's TV and I was more impressed with Netflix on that compared to on mine, something that is just not possible however.

I had my Xbox One connected via HDMI to my Sony receiver/BR Player in one all that time, so that I can easily switch between consoles. Something must have been off with the receiver's settings or whatever because this thing was seriously degrading the TV's picture quality and I found that out yesterday. I was experimenting with the settings until I decided to just directly connect the Xbox One's HDMI cable to the TV. I put on Game mode and I was shocked by how good Far Cry Primal looked, it looked good when the receiver was still connected but certainly not this good. To make sure I wasn't just seeing things, I decided to try out a boatload of games like Rise of the Tomb Raider, Batman AK, Dying Light, and many more. These games used to look a lot less good and now they looked so much better. Especially Rise of the Tomb Raider was very noticeable. What's more is that the ugly gasoline effect I spoke of earlier is much less visible, it's still there but no way near as bad and this effect is caused by the game or console itself because I see it on my other much smaller screen as well.

How the hell is this possible though? Is it known that connecting to a receiver's HDMI can provide a inferior PQ on the TV? I'm not seeing things, I know that for certain and I am happy as hell.

 

[ScepticMatt]

I thought they had the best motion with .1ms response time? Or am I misunderstanding, can you explain?

OLEDs have very fast pixel transition times (rise and fall). But the LG OLED TVs don't have a low persistence mode implemented yet.

The persistence blur is the reason they only have 600 (?) lines motion resolution. Implementing black frame insertion would instantly double that or more, like on the discontinued Samsung OLED TV or professional Sony OLED monitors. If LG OLED TVs enable 120+ Hz input, you could even do BFI in software.

 

[Fitts]

I'll jump on OLED TV when they increase the motion resolution and uniformity issues. A lot of these TVs posted in this thread have like 600 lines of motion resolution which is pretty shitty and I will not use motion enhancement. The LG posted above looks really bad to me when things get moving.

Smart man. I'm convinced that some are more sensitive to it than others, but for me poor motion handling is absolutely intolerable. Perhaps its akin to those who play 60fps games all the time and then "can't go back" to 30fps. Those of us who have used phosphor-based displays (almost) exclusively for years can't deal with sample-and-hold.

And it's actually only about 300 lines with interpolation turned off.

 

[DeepEnigma]

OLEDs have very fast pixel transition times (rise and fall). But the LG OLED TVs don't have a low persistence mode implemented yet.

The persistence blur is the reason they only have 600 (?) lines motion resolution. Implementing black frame insertion would instantly double that or more, like on the discontinued Samsung OLED TV or professional Sony OLED monitors. If LG OLED TVs enable 120+ Hz input, you could even do BFI in software.

Smart man. I'm convinced that some are more sensitive to it than others, but for me poor motion handling is absolutely intolerable. Perhaps its akin to those who play 60fps games all the time and then "can't go back" to 30fps. Those of us who have used phosphor-based displays (almost) exclusively for years can't deal with sample-and-hold.

And it's actually only about 300 lines with interpolation turned off.

Gotcha. I am currently shopping for a new TV, so that $1400 was very attractive. Can you provide examples visually to what you are talking about, so I can be aware of what I am looking for? If I do not like it, I will probably stick with LED and get OLED by the time the next consoles are out (and hopefully 4K standard).

 

[TerryLee81]

After 2 days with my OLED TV, I'm still blown away by it's picture quality.

I just wish I had space (and money) for the 65" 4k model. In a few years maybe!

 

[Enforcer]

man I want to upgrade my VT 25 plasma but nothing out there seems have a good balance of input lag and picture quality.

damn I miss plasmas

It damn near breaks my heart that plasmas are dead. I have an older plasma (2010ish model year, I think) from Samsung that, even though its only 720p (got an absurd deal that I couldn't pass up), has an absolutely gorgeous picture. No lag that I can detect, really smooth motion... they don't make them like that anymore! I want to upgrade to something newer, but between the high input lag of OLEDs that I keep hearing about and the motion on LEDs seeming a bit rough to me, I don't know what to do. I'd hate to get something new and then be like, "Well, its good, buuuuut..."

 

[Fitts]

Gotcha. I am currently shopping for a new TV, so that $1400 was very attractive. Can you provide examples visually to what you are talking about, so I can be aware of what I am looking for? If I do not like it, I will probably stick with LED and get OLED by the time the next consoles are out (and hopefully 4K standard).

It's tough to show outside of a real-world comparison -- and impossible if one does not have access to a quality plasma/CRT.

Basically, with LCD/OLED you're looking at something akin to the bottom of this picture with any excess processing (interpolation) turned off:

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Forgive the CNET picture, Katz and co suck, but that's what showed up in a Google search.

Turn on the compensating "motion enhancers" and you're literally adding false frames that aren't a part of the original content. This creates the dreaded "soap opera effect" where everything looks robotic or, with some mfg implementations, something straight out of Jacob's Ladder.

Black frame insertion is currently the best way to eliminate motion blur on sample-and-hold based displays. Ex. Sony's "impulse mode" is pretty good, but it reduces perceived screen brightness to levels that most find unusable. Instead of focusing on nonsensical gimmickry while ignoring the current crop of television's longstanding drawbacks, I wish that manufacturers would focus their efforts on improving/refining methodology like this.