Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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queequegs__coffin
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I agree. I am super finicky about any post-processing really and the finesse at which a set does it (or doesn't do it) is one of the main metrics I consider when I get a set. I prefer most of my media untouched and try to consume it as the director/developer intended. This means mostly physical Blu-ray and a robust game mode.
DeepEnigma
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I am the same way. I never liked upscaling, even when running games on the 1920x1200 Dell I had years ago, and newer games that worked my card, I would just deal with the a little lesser frame-rate versus the softer image.
However, I was extremely impressed with seeing how the PS4 looked on a 4K entry level Sony, where it did not have the same 'blur' look compared to even 900p -> 1080p scaling. And as others have said, due to 4K being exactly 2x in width and height for pixels, it scales better than other resolutions since it lines up perfectly. It looked native to me, even 5 feet away. Had me second guessing if I should get a 1080p set or not now.
Stealthcobra
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This helps me also.. Thanks. So mid 30ms input lag is pretty good for gaming?
DeepEnigma
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Most do not notice, unless you are very used to low lag monitors for competitive gaming. Average gaming you should not notice anything below 50ms. I actually was playing the Ratchet & Clank demo, as well as FIFA, etc on the 810c at Best Buy and it felt just as responsive as my 1-3ms monitor for gaming at home. At least nothing felt delayed or the like, so I feel fine purchasing anything below 40ms.
doctordoak
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This is the set I want. They're phasing them out, as it's the 2015 model. I love the look and the speakers (no soundbar needed).Might buy a Sony X-93 55 Inch:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9305c-201506224127.htm
Anyone can give an insight if this would be a good buy? Lag is at 36ms, which might be a bit higher then other Sony models, but seeing it has a great screen + hifi audio combined makes me want to pull the trigger.
I don't know man. I have the JS8500 in a 55 inch, and it is an amazing TV. If you're using it for gaming, you'll be in heaven. It's awesome.
Memnoch
Member
I just bought a 4k 65 inch LG, and wow, no blur at all. The ps4 looks perfectly upscaled. I'm really enjoying the difference.
Spaced Harrier
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Hi guys looking for a gaming tv available in Ireland.
Was looking at Sony kdl48w705c but I'm struggling to see a detailed review. It's not on rtings.
I play street fighter and need a low input lag.
Anyone familiar with this model.
It's 530 on Argos currently.
Was looking at Sony kdl48w705c but I'm struggling to see a detailed review. It's not on rtings.
I play street fighter and need a low input lag.
Anyone familiar with this model.
It's 530 on Argos currently.
Bought it a couple of weeks ago. Input lag is no issue I can assure you. And I used to play on a monitor only because of the input lag since I couldn't play on any TV.
I do have subtle problems with screen uniformity in dark scenes, though.
(Only really noticable when playing games, not really when watching any content.)
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Glad to know I was not imagining it. Has me seriously considering 4K now. Got a month to decide, grrrr.
Hey Gaffers! Need some help purchasing a TV.
I want a 55" inch TV with low input lag and decent quality - my current TV is a Sony KDL42W705B (IIRC the lag is ~13ms in Game mode) but this is too small for my new living room. I just came back from John Lewis and I saw the LG 55EC930V - what a stunning set! The image quality looked better than everything else on the floor except for the 4K version but then I realised the input lag is about ~50ms. Is there a TV out there for me?
I want a 55" inch TV with low input lag and decent quality - my current TV is a Sony KDL42W705B (IIRC the lag is ~13ms in Game mode) but this is too small for my new living room. I just came back from John Lewis and I saw the LG 55EC930V - what a stunning set! The image quality looked better than everything else on the floor except for the 4K version but then I realised the input lag is about ~50ms. Is there a TV out there for me?
Just bought the 55' Sony X-93C, delivery tomorrow. I've opted for wall mount install with a WL-450:
http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions-tv-stands/su-wl450
Anyone know if I will still be able to easily access all the inputs? Hdmi/component being most important.
http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions-tv-stands/su-wl450
Anyone know if I will still be able to easily access all the inputs? Hdmi/component being most important.
Hey Gaffers! Need some help purchasing a TV.
I want a 55" inch TV with low input lag and decent quality - my current TV is a Sony KDL42W705B (IIRC the lag is ~13ms in Game mode) but this is too small for my new living room. I just came back from John Lewis and I saw the LG 55EC930V - what a stunning set! The image quality looked better than everything else on the floor except for the 4K version but then I realised the input lag is about ~50ms. Is there a TV out there for me?
Kal I have that TV (930v) and you can get the lag down to 33ms which is very tolerable.
The picture quality is mind blown when set properly as well, jump on it if you can get a good deal.
powersurge
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Argh I've been wrestling with which TV to get for a month and now I'm down the wire and I have to purchase a new one in the next week or so and I still can't seem to decide. I'm on a tight budget and would like to keep it under $700 for a 50 inch set. This will be for TV shows and movies with gaming secondary (living room set). I've got roku boxes (all the various streaming services), OTA antenna, and a non 4k bluray player for source content right now. Not sure if I'll be moving any consoles into the living room or not yet. Maybe at the very least my ps3/360 and keep my xb1/ps4 with my pc.
Currently I've been looking at these 2:
Vizio E50-C1 ( http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/e-series-2015 ) only 1080p but supposedly a very solid set all around for only $450.
Insignia NS-50DR710NA17 ( http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insigni...lack/4204500.p?id=1219711477970&skuId=4204500 ) built in 4k Roku and only $500. Its brand new though so no reviews yet. Last year's 1080p version got solid reviews with its picture quality just behind the Vizio E50-C1.
I had been leaning toward the Vizio set since most streaming services are not 4k but with all the talk of 4k blurays, 4k PS4 and 4k streaming content rolling out faster over the next year I thought I might should consider the Insignia. Drooling over that new sweet Vizio P series 4k/hdr and a tablet remote but $1k is a little high for us right now since I also need to pickup a new receiver and some other stuff when I hit bestbuy.
What do you guys think? Tight budget solid 1080p vs 4k Insignia with roku built in?
Currently I've been looking at these 2:
Vizio E50-C1 ( http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/e-series-2015 ) only 1080p but supposedly a very solid set all around for only $450.
Insignia NS-50DR710NA17 ( http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insigni...lack/4204500.p?id=1219711477970&skuId=4204500 ) built in 4k Roku and only $500. Its brand new though so no reviews yet. Last year's 1080p version got solid reviews with its picture quality just behind the Vizio E50-C1.
I had been leaning toward the Vizio set since most streaming services are not 4k but with all the talk of 4k blurays, 4k PS4 and 4k streaming content rolling out faster over the next year I thought I might should consider the Insignia. Drooling over that new sweet Vizio P series 4k/hdr and a tablet remote but $1k is a little high for us right now since I also need to pickup a new receiver and some other stuff when I hit bestbuy.
What do you guys think? Tight budget solid 1080p vs 4k Insignia with roku built in?
Got my LG EG9100 today. It's manufactured in November. The default picture setting was really dim but the others work fine. The picture is really great and the blacks are amazing. I'm sure I would have been more blown away if this was sitting side by side with another TV. 
I don't expect much from the audio from the TV itself, but whatever is coming out of the TV sounds pretty good.
What else should I do to test the TV and how do I test for things like banding?
I don't expect much from the audio from the TV itself, but whatever is coming out of the TV sounds pretty good. What else should I do to test the TV and how do I test for things like banding?
TerryLee81
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Got my LG EG9100 today. It's manufactured in November. The default picture setting was really dim but the others work fine. The picture is really great and the blacks are amazing. I'm sure I would have been more blown away if this was sitting side by side with another TV.
What else should I do to test the TV and how do I test for things like banding?
I have two settings, one for gaming with vivid colours and one more natural for movies.
I used the settings from rtings for movies, which look great and very natural:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/eg9100/settings
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
My advice: Just use the TV normally and if there are problems it will become apparent. Don't go specifically testing for imperfections because you will always find some and then you won't be able to "un-see" them. That path eventually leads to disappointment and unhappiness when the 3rd replacement set you get also isn't perfect.
INFINITY TR1GG3R
Neo Member
Afternoon all,
I'm in need of a little advice on my next tv.
I want to get a 4K set, with 120hz minimum refresh as its mainly going to be for gaming, size should be either 48" or 55" max and cost no more than £1250
After a bit of research on the matter i've identified the Samsung UE55JU7500 as fitting the bill but as i'm not absolutely clued up on 2016 sets (and what's around the corner) so I thought it best to ask those who know more than me on the gaf before i take the plunge.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
I'm in need of a little advice on my next tv.
I want to get a 4K set, with 120hz minimum refresh as its mainly going to be for gaming, size should be either 48" or 55" max and cost no more than £1250
After a bit of research on the matter i've identified the Samsung UE55JU7500 as fitting the bill but as i'm not absolutely clued up on 2016 sets (and what's around the corner) so I thought it best to ask those who know more than me on the gaf before i take the plunge.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Yeah those settings definitely look better. Might fiddle with the settings more once I have more time. The room has yellow lighting and not much natural light so probably need more adjustment.
I guess you're right, I was curious because I saw people getting sets that are manufactured recently and wondered if it made any difference.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Are you wanting to actually play PC games at 120hz or are you just making sure the panel refresh is at least 120hz? The TV does have a native 120hz refresh rate, but unfortunately none of Samsung's 120hz TVs are able to accept a 120hz input from a PC.
INFINITY TR1GG3R
Neo Member
Just looking for a panel with native 120hz, my current set is really horrible with motion blur. Not intending on hooking my PC up to the new tv at all.
Will be used for Gaming and watching sports mostly.
ss_lemonade
Member
I believe Sony's X850C accepts native 120hz at 1080p. Not sure about price
Why would you not want a PC hooked up to it though? Consoles don't go above 60hz
INFINITY TR1GG3R
Neo Member
Ah it's not that i don't want too, space is making it so i really can't put my main rig on it.
I'm thinking 120hz now more as a "future proofing" element to my purchase, I want to buy a 4K set the will enable future tech like the PS4K/PS5 to shine.
I need to buy my first ever TV and I need help. Input lag is probably the biggest consideration I have. Is it possible to plug in my old ps2 and play rhythm games without crazy input lag, as I've noticed on some older LCD tvs?
Is there a good non-4k choice for around 1k that will make rhythm games playable?
Is there a good non-4k choice for around 1k that will make rhythm games playable?
2016 Samsung LCD review, KS9000
https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ks9000-ue55ks9000-uhd-4k-tv-review.12481
"If you’re a serious gamer then this year’s Samsung models could be of particular interest to you. We were impressed when the manufacturer got the input lag on their 2015 Ultra HD models below 30ms but this year they’ve managed to improve it even further.
We measured the KS9000 in Game mode using our Leo Bodnar tester and the input lag came in at just 21ms. That’s seriously low and should keep even the most demanding gamer happy. We were also pleased to note that as part of Samsung’s menu redesign this year, they have moved the Game mode into the Picture settings, rather than buried in the General sub-menu. So if gaming is a priority to you, the well-specified and highly responsive KS9000 could be the model for you."
Another review:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55ks9000-201603244256.htm
Input lag (Leo Bodnar tester) 21ms in [Game] mode
Full 4:4:4 reproduction (PC) Yes for both 1920×1080 and 3840×2160@60Hz
"[Smart LED] could still be enabled in [Game] mode to deepen blacks, but [Auto Motion Plus] was greyed out so there’s no way to engage black frame insertion for higher motion clarity. Input lag figures in [Movie] and [PC] modes came in at 113ms and 37ms respectively."
https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ks9000-ue55ks9000-uhd-4k-tv-review.12481
"If you’re a serious gamer then this year’s Samsung models could be of particular interest to you. We were impressed when the manufacturer got the input lag on their 2015 Ultra HD models below 30ms but this year they’ve managed to improve it even further.
We measured the KS9000 in Game mode using our Leo Bodnar tester and the input lag came in at just 21ms. That’s seriously low and should keep even the most demanding gamer happy. We were also pleased to note that as part of Samsung’s menu redesign this year, they have moved the Game mode into the Picture settings, rather than buried in the General sub-menu. So if gaming is a priority to you, the well-specified and highly responsive KS9000 could be the model for you."
Another review:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55ks9000-201603244256.htm
Input lag (Leo Bodnar tester) 21ms in [Game] mode
Full 4:4:4 reproduction (PC) Yes for both 1920×1080 and 3840×2160@60Hz
"[Smart LED] could still be enabled in [Game] mode to deepen blacks, but [Auto Motion Plus] was greyed out so there’s no way to engage black frame insertion for higher motion clarity. Input lag figures in [Movie] and [PC] modes came in at 113ms and 37ms respectively."
Stealthcobra
Member
What do you think of theSamsung UN48JS8500 48-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2015 Model) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U9U9002/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I'm really considering it...
Please share your impressions
Had a couple of days with the TV now, and it's outstanding: colors are amazing, great blacks and color uniformity, and games are super responsive coming from a 3 year old Samsung. Couldn't be much happier. Also the sound and speaker on this TV is absolutely amazing!
I have the 55 in this model. Absolutely love it, and I game a lot. I noticed a tiny bit of input lag compared to my Panny Plasma, but the JS8500 is a great gaming TV.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Great set. It is very comparable to the 49" XBR830C I just picked up at Best Buy on Monday. They had an 'open box' which I was able to score for $600. TV was never even take out, it was opened to give someone stand screws that ordered one online from them, which supposedly did not come with them, however since they gave him the brackets for the base too and mislabeled the box, I went in the next day, and they opened a new one for me and gave me screws and brackets for base.
The motion (response time) and input lag are almost identical to the Sony. I was gaming on it all week, and there is no noticeable input lag to me. I game from an 1-2ms AOC IPS monitor for the PS4 since launch, so if there was a noticeable input lag, I surely would be able to discern it.
It may be placebo effect, or the fact that the larger real estate on screen afforded me the ability to see/respond better, but I was doing MUCH better in Battlefront, which is very twitch (response time) heavy. So you should have no issues with that set. Not to mention, PS4 games look insanely good, so crisp, it is practically native. Based X1 scaler!
And that 4K Netflix though!!! Re-watching Daredevil, and ... WOW!!!
Bring on PS4K for UHD Blu-Ray!!!
I held off on the OLED for now, since I was able to get a 4K so cheap, that is really good quality, especially with Full 4:4:4 60 for my PC. I will wait for more players to enter the market (Sony and Samsung strongly rumored), or prices to come down in a couple years.
Congrats! So jealous that you have the 55" model there. Really wish they'd released it in the US.
Tatsumi Oga
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My brother is not on NeoGAF, so i am asking this for him.
He's looking for a new TV. 50 to 60 inch, but 50 or 55 inch is fine if the TV is damn good he told me. He used to have Sony W829b and he's looking for a TV that is even more impressive in terms of picture quality. He's very fond of that on the Sony, but he now intends to go for 4K. Now what we are wondering is, is a 4K TV going to be fine for the current consoles? Take Xbox One for example, still several games that are 720p and 900p, is he going to notice this due to the 4K upscaler and thus better off with a Full HD TV or will this be fine?
I recall reading some comments a while ago that a 4K TV wasn't doing certain games any favors, but doesn't that simply depend on what set you get? In the early days of 4K i remember there were some 4K TV's that werent exactly 4K at all.
So yeah....
- Will a 4K screen be fine for Xbox One and PS4 and Wii U?
- I assume Sony or Samsung would be best, which sets should he look out for?
I see this one has HDR, but that's not something console gaming has at all, right? That price though, damn. I wonder how the picture quality compares to much cheaper sets from Sony, Samsung etc..
He's looking for a new TV. 50 to 60 inch, but 50 or 55 inch is fine if the TV is damn good he told me. He used to have Sony W829b and he's looking for a TV that is even more impressive in terms of picture quality. He's very fond of that on the Sony, but he now intends to go for 4K. Now what we are wondering is, is a 4K TV going to be fine for the current consoles? Take Xbox One for example, still several games that are 720p and 900p, is he going to notice this due to the 4K upscaler and thus better off with a Full HD TV or will this be fine?
I recall reading some comments a while ago that a 4K TV wasn't doing certain games any favors, but doesn't that simply depend on what set you get? In the early days of 4K i remember there were some 4K TV's that werent exactly 4K at all.
So yeah....
- Will a 4K screen be fine for Xbox One and PS4 and Wii U?
- I assume Sony or Samsung would be best, which sets should he look out for?
I see this one has HDR, but that's not something console gaming has at all, right? That price though, damn. I wonder how the picture quality compares to much cheaper sets from Sony, Samsung etc..
The new LG OLED sounds very good from the tone of the HDTVtest review.
Full review at HDTVtest.co.uk. Sounds like the perfect succesor to Panasonic plasmas.
HDTVtest said:
HDTVtest said:
Full review at HDTVtest.co.uk. Sounds like the perfect succesor to Panasonic plasmas.
Jigolo
Member
MikeE21286
Member
So I've been doing a little research on a new TV, and the Sony X850C seems to be hitting a lot of the boxes I'm looking for, and at a great price. I'm primarily looking to use this as a monitor . Below is generally what I'm looking for
1. Budget: $800-$1200
2. Seating distance: 3 feet (PC Monitor)
3. Size/placement limitations: 50-55in
4. Uses and sources: 4k gaming and PC use
Other items I'm looking for:
4k@60hz 4:4:4
HDR
1080@120hz (more of a nice to have)
1. Budget: $800-$1200
2. Seating distance: 3 feet (PC Monitor)
3. Size/placement limitations: 50-55in
4. Uses and sources: 4k gaming and PC use
Other items I'm looking for:
4k@60hz 4:4:4
HDR
1080@120hz (more of a nice to have)
Hopefully we see the E6 in stores by the end of the month with similar performance figures. VE is supposed to have them ready to ship in two weeks. One of those LG $1,000 off instant rebates would be nice too.
Lord Almighty, I hope the B variants use the same model because I think I've found my next set.
Time to move the Kuro to the bedroom.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
Bought one of the hyper cheap deals on the LG 65EF9500
Pretty stoked. Though I have a feeling I'll want to upgrade again in a few years as they get better at hitting the whole color space
Pretty stoked. Though I have a feeling I'll want to upgrade again in a few years as they get better at hitting the whole color space
Jigolo
Member
Congrats and hope it turns out good for you. Without any of the QC issues.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Is Samsung naming its models differently in different countries?
I'm thinking about getting the Samsung JU6850 (50"), because its the cheapest(900) 4k model I can find with HDR.
Wanted to ask what you guys think about it. I want to use it with my Ps4. What are the downsides?
But I can't find an english language link to the product...
I'm thinking about getting the Samsung JU6850 (50"), because its the cheapest(900) 4k model I can find with HDR.
Wanted to ask what you guys think about it. I want to use it with my Ps4. What are the downsides?
But I can't find an english language link to the product...
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Yeah, I don't know what is up with Samsungs naming. AVforurms posted their review of the KS9000 and rated it really well. But, theirs is a curved screen, and the 9000 is a flat in the US. So, I don't know how different model numbers relate in different countries.
killertofu
Member
My parents all of a sudden bought a 55" LG 55EG9100. Did they make a good purchase? Any tips to calibrate it?
Has anyone got this TV? I'm.getting SkyQ next week and was thinking of going to buy this tomorrow.
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and...smart-4k-ultra-hd-55-led-tv-10135516-pdt.html
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and...smart-4k-ultra-hd-55-led-tv-10135516-pdt.html
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yes. Fantastic set. It was in my eyesight since I was in the market for a new 1080p set, but instead opted for a great deal on a Sony 4K XBR I just could not pass up ($600). So I will hold out for another year or two, hoping other players like Samsung and Sony enter the OLED arena to drive down prices more.
I would visit rtings.com or AVS forums for calibration settings. Then tweak off of that if needed with personal taste/preference.
Ok, was about to buy an HDTV, price limit for me is $2200 (plus taxes). Been thinking about LG EG9100 or the samsung JS8500 65 INCH. Was thinking of waiting for the LG EG9500 to go to 2k before purchase. What do you think? April good for a major drop in price? Go with OLED 1080p or JS8500 65 inch 4k? Wait for $2k LG 9500 55 inch?