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[Rodin]

If anyone would be kind enough to help my final choice I need to buy it Friday it's the special sell day

You don't want a curved screen
You want 3D
The Panasonic DX900 is 1000€ more expensive than what you're willing to spend

Doesn't seem you have many options left. The EF9500 is still an insane TV, just know that it has its flaws, especially compared with the new models... which are too expensive as well, so they're off the picture. Seems pretty easy to me.

Can you return it within a week if for some reasons you hate it?

Spoiler

You won't, but it's good to have that option

I'm really really really tempted. My ceiling waaaaas $3k. How long until it hits that!? Any guesses?

Gaaaah.

Def check out the Panasonic DX900

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx65dx902b-201608144320.htm

If you can afford it go with this years OLED model don't buy last years.

I own an EG910V and it's insane. It has some issues with vignetting and near black gradation, but it's the best TV i've ever had and the best 1080p TV by miles. I bought it back in may and it still blows me away every time i turn it on, for example i still can't believe how good Deus Ex MD looks on it. The EF950V should be even better, so i doubt it's shit to the point that you should avoid it at all cost and go with LED instead. Then of course it has its flaws as well.

And since you posted the DX900 review by hdtvtest... http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/65ef950v-201512284219.htm they seem to like this one too. About HDR in particular this is what they said

Of course, on paper the LG EF9500 does have another major advantage over the 960V, in that the former is equipped with HDMI 2.0a ports whereas the latter isn’t. This means that the 65EF9500 will be able to detect the HDR (high dynamic range) metadata and apply the necessary PQ EOTF (perceptual quantizer electro-optical transfer function) over HDMI when Ultra HD Blu-ray eventually arrives. However, the EG960 (and the EF950, naturally) can still read and display HDR-treated content via USB and streaming (e.g. from Amazon Prime Video and later Netflix 4K), so owners won’t be totally left out.

 

[GeoNeo]

If anyone would be kind enough to help my final choice I need to buy it Friday it's the special sell day

Def check out the Panasonic DX900

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx65dx902b-201608144320.htm

If you can afford it go with this years OLED model don't buy last years model you'll regret the HDR performance & other issues it has.

 

[Art Vandilay]

Looks like it'll need HDMI 2.1, so hardware will need to be updated lol.

I wish the industry would just pick Dolby Vision

I'm curious now if a new OneConnect box will be available for Samsung owners.

 

[RoboPlato]

Just watched the Panasonic IFA conference they talked about their next OLED TV (using LG panel no doubt) which they said will tackle the issue of near black performance with OLED thanks to their new 3D LUT designed to tackle this demanding issue. A prototype will be on the show floor! Can't wait to see what Panasonic has come up with. //Drool

I hope they release these outside of Europe. Their plasma line was amazing for the price/performance ratio. Would love to see them do the same with OLED.

 

[GeoNeo]

I own an EG910V and it's insane. It has some issues with vignetting and near black gradation, but it's the best TV i've ever had and the best 1080p TV by miles. I bought it back in may and it still blows me away every time i turn it on, for example i still can't believe how good Deus Ex MD looks on it. The EF950V should be even better, so i doubt it's shit to the point that you should avoid it at all cost and go with LED instead. Then of course it has its flaws as well.

And since you posted the DX900 review by hdtvtest... http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/65ef950v-201512284219.htm they seem to like this one too.

Only reason I'm telling him to avoid the 2015 model is the poor HDR performance, vignetting and near black performance apart from those 3 major things it's a great TV no doubt, but I would not pay $4,000 Euro's for it.

I honestly believe he should wait it out and buy the set he clearly wants (which to me seems to be 2016 OLED) stores always have sales he def should be in no rush. If he must buy right now go demo the sets in his price range (make sure to get them to play HDR content) and buy what looks best to him.

Edit: Rodin the HDR performance on these older sets clips along with their lower light output it does not make for a jaw dropping HDR experience their 2016 models mostly solved this with higher light output and it only clips somewhat when it ramps up towards the upper end of HDR10 mapping the 1000nits content to the panels light output.(Dolby Vision works amazing on 2016 models of course.)

 

[f@luS]

Def check out the Panasonic DX900

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx65dx902b-201608144320.htm

If you can afford it go with this years OLED model don't buy last years model you'll regret the HDR performance & other issues it has.

I could wait I'm not that much in a hurry I'm just having many UHD which I can't play and it's frustrating

I could put the 1000 more for the dx900 if it's much wiser but I'm having some doubt. Lg 950 looks good but I'm a little bit lost about all these HDR updates and so on feels like I'm buying a Gpu

 

[Flunkie]

I've still been very happy with my Panny S60 plasma

 

[GeoNeo]

I could wait I'm not that much in a hurry I'm just having many UHD which I can't play and it's frustrating

I could put the 1000 more for the dx900 if it's much wiser but I'm having some doubt. Lg 950 looks good but I'm a little bit lost about all these HDR updates and so on feels like I'm buying a Gpu

Just wait and saving and jump in once we hear more about dynamic HDR. That would be my recommendation no need to rush into anything.

Keep saving and you can buy a recent model OLED if you are in no rush. That is what I personally would do.

 

[rokkerkory]

Gonna shoot for 75in 4k tv next fall, be it just normal lcd or oled.

let's go tech!

 

[Rodin]

Only reason I'm telling him to avoid the 2015 model is the poor HDR performance, vignetting and near black performance apart from those 3 major things it's a great TV no doubt, but I would not pay $4,000 Euro's for it.

I honestly believe he should wait it out and buy the set he clearly wants (which to me seems to be 2016 OLED) stores always have sales he def should be in no rush. If he must buy right now go demo the sets in his price range (make sure to get them to play HDR content) and buy what looks best to him.

Edit: Rodin the HDR performance on these older sets clips along with their lower light output it does not make for a jaw dropping HDR experience their 2016 models mostly solved this with higher light output and it only clips somewhat when it ramps up towards the upper end of HDR10 mapping the 1000nits content to the panels light output.(Dolby Vision works amazing on 2016 models of course.)

Yeah i agree with what you're saying, my point is simply that he would still be buying a great TV (arguably one of the best within that price range considering that better options are also priced above what he can spend right now). I also assumed that he just wanted to buy it now.

I could wait I'm not that much in a hurry I'm just having many UHD which I can't play and it's frustrating

I could put the 1000 more for the dx900 if it's much wiser but I'm having some doubt. Lg 950 looks good but I'm a little bit lost about all these HDR updates and so on feels like I'm buying a Gpu

The DX900 is amazing, but it's a bit too expensive at 5000€ and it's not without its flaws either (namely, motion smearing and terrible viewing angles). Black level is amazing for LED, but it obviously can't match OLED.

Here in Italy i can buy it for 3-4000€, which is why i was telling you to look into it. But 5000 is just too much.

If you can wait, wait. Otherwise, how much is the Sony X930D in France? If you can find it for less than 3000€ it's a good purchase and it has everything you're looking for. The DX900 is better, but not 2000€ better, and you can spend part of the money you save in a good 5.1+PS4 Neo (or just keep them).

This has yet to be seen. The standard isn't even close to being ratified yet.



They already have pixel shifting on the 2016 models. The only time I've have ABL kick in for me is if I leave my desktop/console sitting on a static screen. You can actually get around it by increasing the OLED light, not brightness. As far as IR is concerned it's pretty much a non-issue on the 2016s as well. Unless you are doing something very extreme or are trying to cause burn in, IR is usually only temporary.

I knew that they mitigated the issue on 2016 models, but i didn't know they were already using pixel shifting. That's amazing.

Anyway i only had a tiny bit of IR on my EG910V during Euro 2016 due to that nasty blue bar with the score, when the break in period wasn't even over, and i had to look for it with a test image (i couldn't see it with normal content). It still disappeared in like 30 minutes. So yeah, IR already wasn't a particularly big issue on last year's TVs, but we're approaching the point where it shouldn't even be mentioned in reviews as a cons (hello rtings).

 

[ukas]

Looks like it'll need HDMI 2.1, so hardware will need to be updated lol.

I wish the industry would just pick Dolby Vision

This has yet to be seen. The standard isn't even close to being ratified yet.

So much for the 1000 micro dimming zones on the Z9D: according to a german website the correct number on the 65" is 600, just like the Samsung KS9800.


Jesus Christ, that value is insane for OLED.

If with next year's models LG adopts something like the pixel shifting tech seen in that new Dell OLED monitor to mitigate the image retention issue to the point that it's basically nonexistent, they can probably get rid of ABL and IR will be a non issue like on LED TVs. At that point they shouldn't have any problem to achieve 1000 nits and utterly destroy LEDs even with HDR content.


EDIT:


Holy shit. My next TV.

They already have pixel shifting on the 2016 models. The only time I've have ABL kick in for me is if I leave my desktop/console sitting on a static screen. You can actually get around it by increasing the OLED light, not brightness. As far as IR is concerned it's pretty much a non-issue on the 2016s as well. Unless you are doing something very extreme or are trying to cause burn in, IR is usually only temporary.

 

[Yappadappadu]

I guess you could at least give the 65EF9500/950V a try, provided you can return it in case the near black issues are too bad on your set?
btw. was in Paris a few days ago and went to FNAC Champs Elysees and even the big Les Halles store. No LG 2016 sets in both stores. WTF? Where do I go in Paris if I want to check out the new tech stuff?

 

[Lucifon]

Got the LG B6V OLED on Sunday and have just been sat watching 4k YouTube content tonight - it's absolutely glorious. I can't wait until 4k becomes the standard. Amazing TV so far and great with games.

 

[GeoNeo]

Got the LG B6V OLED on Sunday and have just been sat watching 4k YouTube content tonight - it's absolutely glorious. I can't wait until 4k becomes the standard. Amazing TV so far and great with games.

Get on that Dolby Vision 4K content on Netflix & Amazon !

Also, download & enjoy videos from http://demo-uhd3d.com (might need to rename files to MKV or MP4)

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Can't wait for Sony's ZD9 reviews. That or the LG Oled will be my 4K television.

 

[BumRush]

So, besides price, what are the main differences between the E6 and B6 outside of 3D? Anything noticeable?

 

[Art Vandilay]

So, besides price, what are the main differences between the E6 and B6 outside of 3D? Anything noticeable?

I read somewhere that the B6 is brighter. Pretty sure input lag is better on the E6 though. E6 also has a built in soundbar.

 

[BumRush]

I read somewhere that the B6 is brighter. Pretty sure input lag is better on the E6 though. E6 also has a built in soundbar.

Oh the B6 - which is cheaper - is brighter??

 

[Art Vandilay]

Oh the B6 - which is cheaper - is brighter??

Yeah, I thought it was odd too. Think I read it on rtings.com. I'm not sure if there's a significant difference, but I believe it's due to the lack of 3D, maybe?

Edit: I'm searching for the source. I've read so many reviews I'm having difficulty tracking it down.

 

[BumRush]

Yeah, I thought it was odd too. Think I read it on rtings.com. I'm not sure if there's a significant difference, but I believe it's due to the lack of 3D, maybe?

Edit: I'm searching for the source. I've read so many reviews I'm having difficulty tracking it down.

Please post if you find it. If there isn't that much of a difference between the two sets I'd love to save a few bucks.

 

[GeoNeo]

Here is max brightness comparison between E6 & B6 in the recent CNET review:

LG OLED65E6P:

Vivid 441 (SDR Window 10%)

Vivid 143 (SDR Fullscreen)

HDR Vivid 710 (HDR Window 10%)

LG OLED55B6P:

Vivid 367 (SDR Window 10%)

Vivid 115 (SDR Fullscreen)

HDR Vivid 651 (HDR Window 10%)

All comes down to the panel lottery I'd say...

http://www.cnet.com/products/lg-oledb6p-series/2/

 

[Yappadappadu]

Take into account that the 65" OLEDs go brighter than the 55", so this isn't a fair comparison.
From what I have read so far, only the G6 goes really brighter than the rest.

 

[BumRush]

Cool, thanks guys. I'm leaning towards a B6 I think. Anyone with experience so far?

 

[Art Vandilay]

Please post if you find it. If there isn't that much of a difference between the two sets I'd love to save a few bucks.

Read the ratings.com review. They compare the two sets. I'd personally buy the B6 over the E6 since I'm not necessarily broke, but I'm also not wiping my ass with hundreds and don't care for 3D. You may also wish to consider the C6 if you want 3D and don't mind the curve. Read some posts about a page or two back that discuss the benefits of the C6.

I was dead set on making a purchase, but now I'm in a bind. We don't know whether dynamic HDR will be supported on 2.0a HDMI ports via firmware update. You could opt for the Samsung LEDs since it uses the OneConnect box and could therefore theoretically be upgraded with 2.1 ports (necessary for dynamic HDR). But should you choose the Samsung route, you're missing out on Dolby Vision. I'm just going to take the wait and see approach, but I'm most definitely upgrading before Scorpio releases.

 

[GeoNeo]

Take into account that the 65" OLEDs go brighter than the 55", so this isn't a fair comparison.

Where have you heard this? That is not true seeing as many of the E series 65" displays also hang around the 600-650 nit value. It really is a panel lottery with LG seeming to bin the brighter ones most of the time for the G series (with some lucky E series that hit 700 nits.)

 

[Yappadappadu]

At least wait until the IFA exhibition is over before you buy. Possible that we'll have some news and/or interviews where LG talk about it.

Where have you heard this? That is not true seeing as many of the E series 65" displays also hang around the 600-650 nit value. It really is a panel lottery with LG seeming to bin the brighter ones most of the time for the G series (with some lucky E series that hit 700 nits.)

That's what was said early this year at a german LG event. Don't remember anymore if it was LG themselves. Would need to check.
Do you have an example where the 55" of a model has a higher measured brightness than the 65" size?

 

[bomb]

any change lg comes out with a 75 oled next year for 5,000?

 

[Art Vandilay]

At least wait until the IFA exhibition is over before you buy. Possible that we'll have some news and/or interviews where LG talk about it.

If they announce 2.1 support and somehow a reduction in input lag then I'll be all over the B6 during Black Friday. A long shot, I know, but a guy has to dream.

 

[Nostremitus]

Any recommendations for a TV around 500-600 dollars?

Not sure if anyone's responded yet, but it'd be better to save up a bit more and get something better. When you do buy, make sure it supports HDR and HDCP 2.2. You'll be seeing 4K TVs being sold second hand because they can't play native 4K content because they came out before the current copyright protection standards existed.

Without HDCP 2.2 you can't watch 4K Netflix or connect an UHD Bluray( or Xbox One S) player and watch 4k movies.

 

[GeoNeo]

That's what was said early this year at a german LG event. Don't remember anymore if it was LG themselves. Would need to check.
Do you have an example where the 55" of a model has a higher measured brightness than the 65" size?

LG are full of shit if they claimed this. Would be great to see you link it since they would be blatantly lying

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled65e6v-201608104333.htm

E6 65" Measured peak brightness of 625 cd/m2

CNet Review of their 55" B6 Measured peak brightness of 651 cd/m2

http://www.cnet.com/products/lg-oledb6p-series/2/

any change lg comes out with a 75 oled next year for 5,000?

Their 77" OLED costs over $20,000 you won't see such a price drop due to yields & QA at such a size. I'd say by 2019-2020 I would not be shocked to see it priced so low as yields improve. Also, other issue is they don't make such sizes in high volumes since most of the market buys 60" and under with 55" being the most popular size for most brands. Hopefully things change and we can all welcome 70"+++ sizes into our homes.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

HDTVTest reviewed the G6 looks like the G6's offer better light output (732 cd/m2) vs 625 cd/m2 of the E6.



Looks like LG bins the panels.

Other differences.



E6 review: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled65e6v-201608104333.htm

G6 review: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled65g6v-201608304343.htm

Honestly I won't be shocked if next years models come even closer to reaching 1000 nits.

From the rumors I've heard mentioned on forums is that LG is def going to be tackling the problem of motion res in next years model big time. Can't wait for CES.



No LCD's come close to matching the black level performance of the OLED's. Not to mention the issue of blooming in LCD's that utilize FALD & viewing angles.

P Series does a pretty good job, with its FALD and choice of nits.

 

[New002]

Just the gif I was looking for.

90% sure I'll be making the leap this weekend after checking it out in person today.

 

[Kyoufu]

It's a shame games won't support Dolby Vision.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

It's a shame games won't support Dolby Vision.

Which is a shame considering Dolby did all the research, I doubt we would have HDR right now without there efforts. But, the industry decides to give them the middle finger because they want it for free. I mean why shouldn't Dolby get paid after doing all the research.

 

[GeoNeo]

It will be interesting to see how things pan out because Netflix, Amazon, Vudu are def support Dolby Vision. Also, with the new MediaTek SOC supporting Dolby Vision out of the box it should hopefully cost less for manufacturers to implement it in new models. Licencing fees I bet you is fuck all it's just cheap ass manufacturers looking to nickle & dime.

I mean the Z9D Sony set has MediaTek SOC (New one since it's not detailed anywhere) yet on their highest end TV that costs a fuck ton Sony won't cough up for Dolby Vision support.

Though, some of the Europe manufacturers that are going to be showing off OLED displays at IFA will support Dolby Vision too.

Simply put without Dolby's development of Vision 4K would not have been as impressive as it is. Most people don't give two fucks about a resolution jump yet you show 'em some amazing Dolby Vision Shows or Demos and it blows their socks off.

 

[flozuki]

I hope they release these outside of Europe. Their plasma line was amazing for the price/performance ratio. Would love to see them do the same with OLED.

It is not their first OLED. They already have an amazing set but faaaar more expensive than comparable LG-sets^^

 

[GeoNeo]

It is not their first OLED. They already have an amazing set but faaaar more expensive than comparable LG-sets^^

Yup, it cost a lot. ^^ but it did provide some amazing scaling & video processing that is still lacking on the LG sets.

Input lag was horrible though.

I can't wait to see what they do this time around looks like they know exactly what to target to make their next OLED as "perfect" as can be.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

It will be interesting to see how things pan out because Netflix, Amazon, Vudu are def support Dolby Vision. Also, with the new MediaTek SOC supporting Dolby Vision out of the box it should hopefully cost less for manufacturers to implement it in new models. Licencing fees I bet you is fuck all it's just cheap ass manufacturers looking to nickle & dime.

I mean the Z9D Sony set has MediaTek SOC (New one since it's not detailed anywhere) yet on their highest end TV that costs a fuck ton Sony won't cough up for Dolby Vision support.

Though, some of the Europe manufacturers that are going to be showing off OLED displays at IFA will support Dolby Vision too.

Simply put without Dolby's development of Vision 4K would not have been as impressive as it is. Most people don't give two fucks about a resolution jump yet you show 'em some amazing Dolby Vision Shows or Demos and it blows their socks off.

Everyone should watch this interview, that's curious about the current state of HDR.

https://youtu.be/NcLWK4k62T0

 

[flozuki]

Yup, it cost a lot. ^^ but it did provide some amazing scaling & video processing that is still lacking on the LG sets.

Input lag was horrible though.

I can't wait to see what they do this time around looks like they know exactly what to target to make their next OLED as "perfect" as can be.

It had other flaws too but this will always be the case even with the best of the best if you nitpick. Still I will always be intrigued by Panas OLED plans^^ The scaling wasn't a problem for me until today with the E6 fortunately but I rarely use sources below 720p. All in all it is the only TV besides my old Pana Plasma I will not exchange and use until it is damaged

By the way yesterday I saw Sonys ZD9 in action. All in all a fine set from what I was able to see in the short amount of time but I am happy for not waiting and buying the E6 instead. Will be interesting to see how it fares in reviews against premium Panasonic- and Samsung-LCD sets as I had better initial impressions with these (while always being a little bit of a Pana fanboy).

 

[George Claw M.D.]

I was perfectly content waiting for 4K to mature a little longer before jumping in, but an unfortunate accident has me needing to replace my beloved KRP-500M.

After catching up with the latest on displays on avsforum and here, and checking out displays at various stores, it seems like waiting until at least 2017 would be the prudent choice. Standards are still being established and getting a set now may screw me over if it doesn't support future things like HDMI 2.1, dynamic HDR, etc.. Also, I'd have to upgrade my AVR to support all the latest features, too. And that's something I definitely want to make sure will last a good while before becoming obsolete.

That said, I don't think I'm patient enough to wait an unknown amount of time for things to clear-up. So I've narrowed my choices to 3 displays.

1) 65" LG C6 OLED
Best PQ. Supposedly great passive 3D. Downsides are cost. I'd prefer larger, but the list price for the 77" is astronomical. Also, I'd prefer flat to curved. I don't want to pay an extra $1000 for the E6 when I have no use for the soundbar. LG must agree that curved is worse because the B6 is inferior to the C6, aside from having a flat panel, yet they cost the same. If the C6 were flat, I'd probably already have this display now. And the biggest downside, at least to me, is image retention/burn-in. I've never owned an OLED display before so maybe I'm overly paranoid and it's not really an issue. But it's a stark contrast from never having to worry about image retention, let alone burn-in on my Kuro.

2) 75" Vizio P75-C1 LCD
SIZE! For a little cheaper than the LG, you get a whopping 10" more screen. PQ obviously isn't as good as the OLED, but it's still decent, and the SIZE! Great input lag but no 3D.

3) 65" Samsung KS8000 LCD
This is the "holdover" set. By far the cheapest at less than half the price of the top 2 sets. But still a decent display that can hold me over until I'm ready to buy a top-tier 4K display. Great input lag supposedly in both SDR and HDR modes when using game mode. No 3D.

I can probably wait a month or 2 though, since I think prices tend to drop around October/November and news at IFA may push prices down on current sets, too. But then it may also make me not want to buy a current set anymore, either. Lol

 

[GeoNeo]

It had other flaws too but this will always be the case even with the best of the best if you nitpick. Still I will always be intrigued by Panas OLED plans^^ The scaling wasn't a problem for me until today with the E6 fortunately but I rarely use sources below 720p. All in all it is the only TV besides my old Pana Plasma I will not exchange and use until it is damaged

By the way yesterday I saw Sonys ZD9 in action. All in all a fine set from what I was able to see in the short amount of time but I am happy for not waiting and buying the E6 instead. Will be interesting to see how it fares in reviews against premium Panasonic- and Samsung-LCD sets as I had better initial impressions with these (while always being a little bit of a Pana fanboy).

There was only few nice scaling options that the Pana had, but nothing mind blowing to put it over the current LG sets at all. In fact the E6 does a damn good job of upscaling from what I've seen! Of course you feed any of these TV's a crappy cable or pay tv signal and it will always look ass hehe. I def think OLED will come to being as perfect as possible for a display within a year or two. The current things it can improve in are nothing really hard to implement so I look forward to seeing what the future holds for this wonderful technology. Being a 60" 9.5G Kuro Owner & Panasonic Plasma owner I was really sad to see Plasma die off, however when OLED finally came around I was attracted to it like a moth to a flame!

Edit: George Claw M.D: If you buy right now you need to accept that you'll be going in as an early adapter of HDR display. No promise at all that any of the TV's you listed will be updated to support Dynamic HDR. Pretty much you'll get a much clearer picture at CES 2017. Hopefully we hear more at IFA, but I would not be shocked if Manufacturers were tight lipped till CES 2017 before we find out anything.

 

[GeoNeo]

Oh shit first look Panasonic OLED for 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15KCI4Xq6rA

Holy fucking shit that is a stunning design.

 

[Evo X]

Oh shit first look Panasonic OLED for 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15KCI4Xq6rA

Holy fucking shit that is a stunning design.

DAMN!

This could be my next TV.

 

[axb2013]

Resolution race will never stop, it can mutate into something else should we ever stop pushing the pixel density.

I can however define a perfect monitor or TV that would last for the foreseeable future and it's arrival could easily be next year:
-4K@120Hz. (To setttle this once and for all, TV's cannot magically bypass interface limitations. As of today, there are no high refresh rate 4K panels on the market, not even the cables to carry that much bandwidth to begin with. The closest you can get to 4k/60+ today is buy a new nvidia GPU, their DP signal is 1.3 and 1.4 compliant.
-OLED, <20ms input lag
-it supports the winning HDR standard

The cherry on top of it would be Freesync compliance because rumors are circulating that nvidia drivers can be hacked to recognize Freesync monitors as mobile g-sync displays.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

I was perfectly content waiting for 4K to mature a little longer before jumping in, but an unfortunate accident has me needing to replace my beloved KRP-500M.

After catching up with the latest on displays on avsforum and here, and checking out displays at various stores, it seems like waiting until at least 2017 would be the prudent choice. Standards are still being established and getting a set now may screw me over if it doesn't support future things like HDMI 2.1, dynamic HDR, etc.. Also, I'd have to upgrade my AVR to support all the latest features, too. And that's something I definitely want to make sure will last a good while before becoming obsolete.

That said, I don't think I'm patient enough to wait an unknown amount of time for things to clear-up. So I've narrowed my choices to 3 displays.

1) 65" LG C6 OLED
Best PQ. Supposedly great passive 3D. Downsides are cost. I'd prefer larger, but the list price for the 77" is astronomical. Also, I'd prefer flat to curved. I don't want to pay an extra $1000 for the E6 when I have no use for the soundbar. LG must agree that curved is worse because the B6 is inferior to the C6, aside from having a flat panel, yet they cost the same. If the C6 were flat, I'd probably already have this display now. And the biggest downside, at least to me, is image retention/burn-in. I've never owned an OLED display before so maybe I'm overly paranoid and it's not really an issue. But it's a stark contrast from never having to worry about image retention, let alone burn-in on my Kuro.

2) 75" Vizio P75-C1 LCD
SIZE! For a little cheaper than the LG, you get a whopping 10" more screen. PQ obviously isn't as good as the OLED, but it's still decent, and the SIZE! Great input lag but no 3D.

3) 65" Samsung KS8000 LCD
This is the "holdover" set. By far the cheapest at less than half the price of the top 2 sets. But still a decent display that can hold me over until I'm ready to buy a top-tier 4K display. Great input lag supposedly in both SDR and HDR modes when using game mode. No 3D.

I can probably wait a month or 2 though, since I think prices tend to drop around October/November and news at IFA may push prices down on current sets, too. But then it may also make me not want to buy a current set anymore, either. Lol

I had a similar thought proccess and in the end went for option 3. I figured that HDR is in it's infancy, and many changes / standardizations / improvements will be made in the coming years. Same deal with OLED.

So I decided to buy the cheaper but still good Samsung right now. Then I will get a monster OLED in 4 or 5 years when the tech and pricing is much better.

In the long run it will probably cost me roughly the same as buying a top OLED set right now, but I will end up with a newer and much better set in the end.

The KS8000 is still a really nice set in the meantime too!

 

[Rodin]

Just the gif I was looking for.

90% sure I'll be making the leap this weekend after checking it out in person today.

You can't fight Shia!

Let us know what you think if you buy it

It had other flaws too but this will always be the case even with the best of the best if you nitpick. Still I will always be intrigued by Panas OLED plans^^ The scaling wasn't a problem for me until today with the E6 fortunately but I rarely use sources below 720p. All in all it is the only TV besides my old Pana Plasma I will not exchange and use until it is damaged

By the way yesterday I saw Sonys ZD9 in action. All in all a fine set from what I was able to see in the short amount of time but I am happy for not waiting and buying the E6 instead. Will be interesting to see how it fares in reviews against premium Panasonic- and Samsung-LCD sets as I had better initial impressions with these (while always being a little bit of a Pana fanboy).

We should all be!

Also seems that your impressions of the Z9D are somewhat in line with the WhatHi-fi review. Nice

I was perfectly content waiting for 4K to mature a little longer before jumping in, but an unfortunate accident has me needing to replace my beloved KRP-500M.

After catching up with the latest on displays on avsforum and here, and checking out displays at various stores, it seems like waiting until at least 2017 would be the prudent choice. Standards are still being established and getting a set now may screw me over if it doesn't support future things like HDMI 2.1, dynamic HDR, etc.. Also, I'd have to upgrade my AVR to support all the latest features, too. And that's something I definitely want to make sure will last a good while before becoming obsolete.

That said, I don't think I'm patient enough to wait an unknown amount of time for things to clear-up. So I've narrowed my choices to 3 displays.

1) 65" LG C6 OLED
Best PQ. Supposedly great passive 3D. Downsides are cost. I'd prefer larger, but the list price for the 77" is astronomical. Also, I'd prefer flat to curved. I don't want to pay an extra $1000 for the E6 when I have no use for the soundbar. LG must agree that curved is worse because the B6 is inferior to the C6, aside from having a flat panel, yet they cost the same. If the C6 were flat, I'd probably already have this display now. And the biggest downside, at least to me, is image retention/burn-in. I've never owned an OLED display before so maybe I'm overly paranoid and it's not really an issue. But it's a stark contrast from never having to worry about image retention, let alone burn-in on my Kuro.

2) 75" Vizio P75-C1 LCD
SIZE! For a little cheaper than the LG, you get a whopping 10" more screen. PQ obviously isn't as good as the OLED, but it's still decent, and the SIZE! Great input lag but no 3D.

3) 65" Samsung KS8000 LCD
This is the "holdover" set. By far the cheapest at less than half the price of the top 2 sets. But still a decent display that can hold me over until I'm ready to buy a top-tier 4K display. Great input lag supposedly in both SDR and HDR modes when using game mode. No 3D.

I can probably wait a month or 2 though, since I think prices tend to drop around October/November and news at IFA may push prices down on current sets, too. But then it may also make me not want to buy a current set anymore, either. Lol

Dude image retention is less of an issue on OLED compared to any Plasma, even more so in 2016 models, and burn in isn't a problem at all. We talked about this last night. If that's what's stopping you from buying the C6, just pull the trigger. You will barely notice the curved screen when it's on, but it makes 3D content better, looks beautiful and it's miles ahead compared to the other two sets (which are good choices if you are on a limited budget, but if you can afford OLED it shouldn't be a question).

 

[guitarguy316]

Whoever was looking at b6, be aware I put lag is higher than the c/e

 

[GeoNeo]

Resolution race will never stop, it can mutate into something else should we ever stop pushing the pixel density.

I can however define a perfect monitor or TV that would last for the foreseeable future and it's arrival could easily be next year:
-4K@120Hz. (To setttle this once and for all, TV's cannot magically bypass interface limitations. As of today, there are no high refresh rate 4K panels on the market, not even the cables to carry that much bandwidth to begin with. The closest you can get to 4k/60+ today is buy a new nvidia GPU, their DP signal is 1.3 and 1.4 compliant.
-OLED, <20ms input lag
-it supports the winning HDR standard

The cherry on top of it would be Freesync compliance because rumors are circulating that nvidia drivers can be hacked to recognize Freesync monitors as mobile g-sync displays.

The native refresh rate of these LG OLED panels is 120Hz just sucks that we are limited by shitty ass HDMI standard which is always lagging behind Display Port & other connection methods (thunderbolt for example).

I sadly don't see any TV manufacturer paying the licensing fee for DP 1.4 because to most of them they simply don't consider PC users/gamers a target audience..which I think is silly as fuck seeing as how many PC gamers are willing to spend top dollar on products that they deem is pushing technology forward. For a few extra dollars you could end up converting that into many more customers.

Also, lastly the other things I'd like to see improved for next years models.

- Motion Resolution 600 lines for current sets with right settings is a shame considering the potential of OLED's. (if rumors on AVS are true Motion Res is gonna get a huge upgrade in 2017 models.)

- Better handling of just above black when it comes to the way LG processes the signal.

- Faster SOC that does not lag the UI while in HDR mode only slight annoying thing I've seen on E6. WebOS overall is freaking amazing.

- Bonus: 1,000 nits ! (Would be more than happy if brightness was bumped to 800nits to be honest haha.)

 

[dark10x]

1) 65" LG C6 OLED
Best PQ. Supposedly great passive 3D. Downsides are cost. I'd prefer larger, but the list price for the 77" is astronomical. Also, I'd prefer flat to curved. I don't want to pay an extra $1000 for the E6 when I have no use for the soundbar. LG must agree that curved is worse because the B6 is inferior to the C6, aside from having a flat panel, yet they cost the same. If the C6 were flat, I'd probably already have this display now. And the biggest downside, at least to me, is image retention/burn-in. I've never owned an OLED display before so maybe I'm overly paranoid and it's not really an issue. But it's a stark contrast from never having to worry about image retention, let alone burn-in on my Kuro.

Man, you're just lucky that you can buy in USD.

The European prices for OLEDs are so bad. The B6 in Europe costs MORE than the E6 in the US. Let that sink in.

That's why I had to opt for the B6 (and I got it on sale even). If you look on Amazon Germany right now (as I live in Germany), the 55" E6 would set you back $6023

That's over six thousand USD when the same thing is available on Amazon US for less than $3500.

As an American living abroad, it makes me feel pretty sick. :\

 

[Evo X]

My E6 is perfection. I don't need anything else.

It's certainly a fantastic tv, but don't fool yourself. There are some obvious issues that need to be addressed before it can be called perfect.

Right now, it's got inferior motion resolution compared to plasma, relatively dim HDR compared to LCD, not the best shadow detail, and too high lag for serious gaming in HDR mode.

OLED is the future, but there are still some ways to go.

Enjoy your tv though. The wait for next year's model is killing me while you get to experience entertainment nirvana now.