Definitely will spend a ton of time in the store comparing the 2 as bringing each home for a amount of time won't work. What kind of issues are common with 75" screens that I need to look out for? If I'm going to have to go through a bunch of sets, might just go forth with the 65 and call it a day.
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Definitely will spend a ton of time in the store comparing the 2 as bringing each home for a amount of time won't work. What kind of issues are common with 75" screens that I need to look out for? If I'm going to have to go through a bunch of sets, might just go forth with the 65 and call it a day.
So how important is Dolby Vision? I am ready to purchase a new tv, my bulb in my old dlp finally burst a few weeks back. I have been going between the Vizio P65 and the Samsung KS8000. The Samsung I can get for about 500 less then the Vizio, and from viewing both in store I liked the Samsung better. But the lack of Dolby Vision is making me hesitant on purchasing that over the Vizio which I read does both HDR10 and DV. I plan on switching over to the xbox one S and the PS4 Pro soon, and would rather not wait till next year before buying a new tv. Just want to future proof myself the best I can.
Seems samsung new firmware actually gives better performance in hdr game mode:
https://mobile.twitter.com/HDTVTest/status/773859278050516992
https://mobile.twitter.com/HDTVTest/status/773859278050516992
They messed up their initial lag test of the E6 and had it around 54ms. I had to inform them that their numbers were off compared to other reviews. The retested and got numbers in line with what everyone else did. It should still be in their questions section at the end of their review. So who knows how accurate these are considering the B6/E6 numbers are basically flip flopped from their Game Mode numbers.
Rtings are pretty sloppy when it comes to input lag tests, at least as far as the OLED panels are concerned.
Probably or around Super Bowl time.
Trojita
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I guess I'll have to wait it out. I have a Panasonic 65VT60 but this HDR talk is making me anxious lol.
I was also thinking about the blasphemous idea of downsizing to 55", I sit like 9' away and noticed that the 65" can be a little overwhelming when it comes to games and how huge the screen is. It literally fills all of your viewing space and you kind of have to look to the side to concentrate on specific things.
They're also the only ones talking about some sort of delay/stability issue in latency, which suggests they take a long time and many readings to get a usable result, which they don't know why.
That Vizio D-series, wow. 13.4ms input lag at 4K, even with all the daisy-chaining. And 13.5ms of input lag at 1080p, basically identical.
I'm still on the fence with this TV, I really want to know how it handles 1080p content and if it has a pixel-perfect 1080p mode.
Damn. Near 70ms puts me in the wait till next year category.
Hopefully there will be a firmware update.
vpance
Gold Member
The B6 in HDR has a lower lag than when it's not in HDR. Yeah something went wrong there.
I have the same TV. Do not downsize. You will regret it.
Our TVs, while obviously lacking 4K HDR, still hold up surprising well in terms of picture quality compared to most stuff out there.
After realizing this, I'm not really anxious waiting for next years models.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Never ever ever ever downsize. You will only regret. And doesn't matter how good the IQ is, you can't replace physical size.
Nobody knows for sure but you'll probably need a new TV. Or you could buy a Samsung TV and buy a new One Connect box or whatever it's called whenever HDMI 2.1 lands.
I'm hoping firmware can do the job here though. Would be shitty otherwise.
Ah, damn
I sure hope so. Only reason I can afford this TV right now is through the accommodations working at Best Buy and I am in dire need of an upgrade.
GAFmeansLIFE
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ACH1LL3US
Member
They are not sloppy with their input lag numbers.
I was the one who did all the oled lag testings earlier in this thread with my Leo Bodnar.
Oled's I tested like the b6, e6, c6, ef9500 all would have different numbers every time I tested them. Variance would be up to 15ms and sometimes if you waited long enough the numbers would change.
Leo Bodnar doesnt play well with oled, period.
To my knowledge Leo Bodnar device doesn't produce HDR signals or 4K ones, are they still using it for testing or something else? If it's not a valid test device for OLED then it shouldn't be used, or should be flagged as such when published.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
Lol no way. It's $4k+ now. Not dropping to $2k next year.
Bornstellar
Member
Owning one, there's nothing wrong with the curve.
Could it be something to do with a setting on the set? I remember Rtings and a few other sites had trouble measuring the input lag for the Sony X930D, and then reading later that a setting (it might have been motionflow or something similar) would cause the input lag to fluctuate up and down.
Not sure if this was posted, but here's a demo of the new Panasonic OLED. Watch it on a 4K display if you can. Looks gorgeous on video. Can't imagine how good it looks in person. The guy filming said it was superior to LG's current flagship G6. Please bring this to the USA Panasonic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjLdtz_NBNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjLdtz_NBNI
Impressive.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Wow. Something like this has to be in my future. So tired of LCD.
holygeesus
Banned
To be honest, it looks as good as any other OLED to me, as it is being fed deliberately chosen demo material to show it's potential under optimum conditions. What we really need is a demo of it streaming 4K video from the likes of Netflix, as this is where current OLED (still) comes up a little short, and I say that as a B6 owner.
Would also like to know this
holygeesus
Banned
Running at 100 will not shorten the lifespan of an OLED. Many professional calibrators set OLED Light to 100 when calibrating and set the contrast lower to accommodate, as it diminishes the auto-dimming technology of these sets.
Firstly, don't use any settings you find online, especially those that mess with the white balance. They will do more harm than good. ISF Expert modes are the way to go - disable all processing and set brightness using a test pattern, if you have one, and adjust OLED light and contrast to what looks best to you, as unless you get the set professionally calibrated, or have a light reading meter yourself, you can't set white levels on OLEDs using test patterns.
These sets have decent colour balance out of the box, so I wouldn't touch those either. Defaults will be more accurate than using any settings you see on the net, for your TV.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
This.
You aren't gonna see a sudden 2k drop even when next year's model hit. Plus the best sales will go quickly as a lot of people will be waiting to try and snatch last year's model on the cheap next year.
The PS4 Pro and Xbox One S only support HDR10. Who knows at at this point if Scorpio will support Dolby Vision.
Can you elaborate?
Notor!ousG
Member
Does OLED still have burn-in issues?
Darryl M R
Member
I'm looking at the 800D 49inch for a new TV that will probably be replaced in 2 years. I don't want to go all out just yet.
I’ve had an LG E6 (OLED) for almost 4 months now and have been extremely happy with it, including gaming, and one of my biggest concerns was input lag.
I haven’t tested it many faster games with it, but I did try the new Odin Sphere, which can be a very fast-paced game and it passed with flying colors. No issues with input lag or delay. Also have played Diablo III and noticed no delays on reaction with characters using skills/abilities or walking around in general. I have played some turn-based RPGs as well, and where they aren’t as good of a test, there has been no delay at all that I have noticed when navigating menus.
For those who can afford the LG OLED line (at least the E6), I highly recommend it, even including with gaming.
holygeesus
Banned
Sure. Any low bit-rate material suffers on both this generation and the previous LG OLEDs. Shadow detail - you either crush shadow detail, or set gamma and brightness accurately, so as to see shadow detail, but you will also get very bad artefacting in low bitrate video, such as that offered by Netflix and Amazon.
In short, if you feed good material to an OLED, it will shine. Feed it low quality and it just makes it look worse.
Since Rting did not rate these sets a lot of people don't know about the
49" XBR-49X700D $648.00
55" XBR-55X700D $798.00
"update required for HDR compatibility"
http://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-x750d-x700d-series
These are Direct LED! ...if you don't like Edge-lit.
Would you say it's significantly worse than what you see on high end LCD 4K HDR TVs with the same source material?
How do live sports look (and compare to LCD)?
I was actually thinking of dumping my cable and going with PlayStation Vue. Sounds like this might not be the best course of action if I get an LG OLED because I know the streams are capped at 720p. Thoughts?
holygeesus
Banned
In my experience, any higher-end TV will show artefacts on poorly encoded material, as they show so much detail - no TV is clever enough to choose between showing you 'good' detail and 'bad' - it just shows you everything. In my experience, high-end LCDs are more forgiving than OLED when it comes to compression issues.
Fantastic. Motion is an absolute joy. As long as you get lucky and get one without banding. If you get a bad one, when the camera pans, any band will show up when the ball travels the field.
You also have to get a decent one with good uniformity, otherwise sports like ice hockey are out, as some parts of the ice will look blue, some redder etc. Not fun.
This is outside my area of expertise, so I wouldn't have a clue. I would say though, again, that the lower the quality and resolution, bearing in mind the set has to blow up a 720p image to 4k internally, the more likely you are to have problems.
I really don't want to come across as too down on the set - I love my b6, but it is not always sold on the limitations it has, and you have to consider what you will be watching. There isn't a time watching a film or a TV show, where I'm not wowed at least once, and having the TV disappear, during totally black scenes, in a dark room, still blows my mind, but, like all sets, there are positives and negatives to consider.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Lol, I like that they throw in a free tablet, like that's going to push anyone over the edge on buying a $20K TV.
holygeesus
Banned
I've had my b6 for a good few weeks now and had absolutely no issues gaming with input lag. Played a variety of games and all perfect. I do play in game mode, and yet to test 4k hdr obviously but it's been great. Wholeheartedly recommend it. The variation in any input lag tests on these panels highlight something odd is going on as in person I feel none at all.
Roto Prime
Banned
Not anymore, if you leave the TV plugged in after you use it (LG TVs) it will clean the screen up.
I have a Samsung KS8500 and just got an Xbox One S. It took several tries for the Xbox to recognize the HDR capabilities and it simply does not work in Game Mode (jittery and flickering). I rebooted, reset, etc. and same deal. Is this a known issue?
The TV is awesome, btw.
The TV is awesome, btw.
DJ Lushious
Member
I completely agree to both you and ukas. They've been sloppy with their testing for a while.
And seeing how the Leo Bodnar test doesn't support HDR or 4K, then how is RTings getting their input lag numbers? Your guess is as good as mine, since they don't detail their testing method for this. And considering RTings is the only website publishing 4K + HDR input lag numbers, I'm going to ignore the results. I'll wait for the calibrators & AV community to give us numbers that I can trust.
That sure sounds sloppy to me. If you can't get a scientific reading from one instrument, then it's ridiculous to not use another testing method to get true results.
You'd think, right? Nowhere do they publish their testing method(s) for 4K + HDR. See my rant above.
