Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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I bet by 2019 70"+ OLED will be $9999 or lower.
People forget how far LG have come with their OLED production in very little time. Also, yields keep improving and they are actively still developing better WOLED tech. Early 2016 this set was expected to hit $30,000+.
All comes down to yields with these displays and thankfully they have been improving more and more, along with good sell through rate.
LG should have its new P10 OLED factory completed in 2018.
Announcement from last year.
Jigolo
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And get rid of the color filter and just use self emitting RGB OLEDs, is that too much to ask?
Nice find, James. Right on track!
Next year you can def expect to see huge improvement in motion and if IFA is anything to go by we can look forward to High frame rate support. I'd say a bump in brightness and performance too if the rumours of them switching their colour filter method hold true. Input lag will be the easiest thing for them to fix just comes down to developing proper game modes for SDR & HDR that disable as much processing as possible thankfully with the media paying ton more attention to input lag over the years I'd say we have a very strong chance of seeing big improvements.
Hell even JVC in their new ultra high end 4K projector now mention proper low input lag game mode and this is a company that in the past has not given a fuck at all with game modes that go 100ms +.
Won't happen due to issue with yields this is why Samsung pulled out they released an RGB OLED and after not being able to ramp up in size, res, without drawing ton more energy were quick to go back to LCD.
The colour filter improvements should be interesting to check out at CES, also with their new 77" OLED they are claiming full DCI-P3 coverage now so maybe they've already started rolling it out in new top end set. Will have to wait for reviews.
Nice find, James. Right on track!
Next year you can def expect to see huge improvement in motion and if IFA is anything to go by we can look forward to High frame rate support. I'd say a bump in brightness and performance too if the rumours of them switching their colour filter method hold true. Input lag will be the easiest thing for them to fix just comes down to developing proper game modes for SDR & HDR that disable as much processing as possible thankfully with the media paying ton more attention to input lag over the years I'd say we have a very strong chance of seeing big improvements.
Hell even JVC in their new ultra high end 4K projector now mention proper low input lag game mode and this is a company that in the past has not given a fuck at all with game modes that go 100ms +.
Won't happen due to issue with yields this is why Samsung pulled out they released an RGB OLED and after not being able to ramp up in size, res, without drawing ton more energy were quick to go back to LCD.
The colour filter improvements should be interesting to check out at CES, also with their new 77" OLED they are claiming full DCI-P3 coverage now so maybe they've already started rolling it out in new top end set. Will have to wait for reviews.
Nice! Seems feasible
I had a two week business trip in Paju, South Korea recently. While commuting to our meetings I saw a huge building far away between two mountains, so I've asked our guide what it was and he said it LG's new TV factory.
It really was insanely HUGE, Almost as big as the two mountains near it!
Can't wait for the OLEDs this monster will start pumping out!
I believe screen burn is all but eliminated in the 2016 variants, no?
At what time of the year do the new LG OLED models usually release? Are they even update annually on a regular basis or do they just come out whenever they're ready? Wen are they usually announced?
I know that next year's model will always be the better one. But right now it seems like 2017 will be the perfect time to finally buy one. This year's models are close, but not right there yet, considering the price.
I know that next year's model will always be the better one. But right now it seems like 2017 will be the perfect time to finally buy one. This year's models are close, but not right there yet, considering the price.
CES / Q1 is when they're usually announced and released (or at least have been the last two years)
ScepticMatt
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On the 3rd or 4th of January, 2017.
During their Consumer Electronic Show pre-show conference.
Availability roll-out some time weeks/months later, with some models coming out first.
Lucky Forward
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I've been following OLED's for a couple of years and I'd just about made up my mind to pull the trigger on a 65" B6 at the next sale. Now you guys have me thinking about holding off and seeing what January will bring with the 2017 models.
The good thing is my 2007 50" Kuro is still performing like a champ.
This year LG started rolling out the G6 early March.
Fuck I love CES! I was really digging the new design of the prototype LG High frame rate panels they were showing off at IFA.
Moreover, Can't wait to hear more about Panasonic's new OLED TV's which use LG panels but improve on processing & many other "hidden" tech secrets.
Check out the impressions:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...c-oled-tv-steals-the-show-again/#591cdca24ffd
Fuck I love CES! I was really digging the new design of the prototype LG High frame rate panels they were showing off at IFA.
Moreover, Can't wait to hear more about Panasonic's new OLED TV's which use LG panels but improve on processing & many other "hidden" tech secrets.
Check out the impressions:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...c-oled-tv-steals-the-show-again/#591cdca24ffd
An LG OLED capable of 1400 nits was shown at CEDIA recently. It's an outdoor model but shows that they are capable higher light output. Should give us an idea of what to expect from the 2017 models at CES.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffSp1d4B9WI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffSp1d4B9WI
Jigolo
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Awesome article! Thank you!
Thanks!
Yeah, I was also looking at the B6 and was so close to getting it a few times already during the last days. I probably would have, if I didn't constantly remind myself that I won't even be home for about half of next year. So waiting is the sensible thing to do in my situation anyway.
Congrats to the B6 in advance, though! I'm sure it's a fine set nevertheless and you'll be enjoying the new technological benefits earlier than us
Wireframe
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From what I heard it's sort of a cop out fix? Like the screen is repositioned slightly left/right up/down. I'm the kind of person that would pick up on that and would drive me mad.
The sets go through automated wear management (not some simple pixel shifting) when you turn the TV's off, you can also enable it via menu option if you'd like. Also, the pixels are quick to reset when you view other content.
These 2016 sets are so resistant to permanent burn in. Unless you're going to run your TV 24 hours a day and really try your hardest to cause harm you don't have anything to worry about it.
Also, testing done on 1080p sets from last year. (Keep in mind 2016 sets are even better then this 2015 set dealing with IR)
http://televisions.reviewed.com/fea...creen-burn-in-problems-causes-image-retention
Also, here is LG's patent for people that want to know how the automated wear management works.
http://www.google.com/patents/US8988329
Lastly, I've seen people use AMOLED burn in as proof that these LG sets have big burn in issues which is silly as hell considering the way LG's WOLED implementation works.
Backfoggen
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I hope this means increased color luminance too.
Hmmm really? You have a link? That would bother me too if it was often.
Edit: nevermind, saw geoneo's helpful response
Walker_Boh
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I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask but I want your guys' opinion on two TVs that I am looking at. First up is this TV from Sharp. Apparently HDR was patched in and it is decent for games according to the reviews I've seen. The other one is Samsung's KU6300. I'm getting the PS4 Pro for Christmas and both of these TVs are in my price range, which one should I get GAF?
NYR
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I would go Samsung. Sharp has a bad reputation of being size over quality. They also sold its Mexican TV factory to Hisense, as well as the right to use Sharp branding on the TVs it sells in the Americas, beginning next year. As of 2016, Sharp will not be manufacturing TVs for sale in the Americas.
I wound also suggest upgrading to the 50 inch for $150 more.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...-4k-ultra-hd-tv-black/5113200.p?skuId=5113200
osiris3355
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Walker_Boh
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USF
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Thanks, totally agree with you
holygeesus
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Yes it is. It is amazing the myths and FUD people believe in regard these sets.
What did you end up getting?
MyFistYourFace
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Anyone familiar with Samsung un60js700dfxza? My sams club has a display model for $834 (originally $1,678). I understand it's the 2015 model. I was looking at it and the Samsung un60ku630dfxza and found the un60js700dfxza to have a better picture. What worries me is it being a display model but I didn't see any signs of burn in and it looked flawless. Another option is the Vizio e series, but I think I like the Samsung' a picture quality more. Looking for ~$900 or under 4K tv.
Wireframe
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TheInternetNomad
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Anyone have any good recommendations for a good 42-50'' 4k tv in Canada. maybe something with a high refresh rate so i can use it as an external monitor for my gaming laptop as well as my ps4 and other consoles.
my budget is around $800
my budget is around $800
Militaratus
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I got meself the EU version of the Samsung 55KS8000 and I calibrated it. While 4K HDR movies look great in Netflix, the visual quality of certain PS4 1080p games definitely pale in comparison. Sometimes I see color "stages" in some games whenever they use a fake-gradient, and I first noticed this on this new TV while I never really noticed this on my previous TV. Does this say more about the TV or about my perception?
Nope. My friend actually commented on how he expected games to look blurry on mine (E6) but ended up praising the upscaling.
You'll definitely want a PS4 Pro/Scorpio/PC if you want to get the best out of the TV though.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
There is no proof of burn in being widespread on OLED TVs, but you know that already since it is pretty much common knowledge.
Also
The 32ms input delay on a G6 OLED is not the same as 32ms delay on an LED/LCD TV since the pixel response time is a few orders of magnitude faster on OLED because of the nature of the technology.
Unless you are Daigo/ J. Wong and are skilled enough to count frames on SFV and/or have the reflexes of Ted Williams, the "slow input delay" of the 2016 LG OLEDs is just an overblown narrative propagated by an Internet culture of cynics who don't even own these TVs.
Formulate your own opinion based on experience. We will all be better off for it.
BTW, I am also subject to this rule.
I wonder how much impact that has? It's true, I'm finding the input latency (even on the B6) to be quite manageable. Games like Super Mario World and Mega Man 3 are impacted greatly by lag and they feel very responsive on the B6. In fact, with the XRGB connected to my Kuro and the B6 at the same time, the B6 is faster (not that the Kuro was considered fast).
I would love even faster input response but it still feels quite good.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Now that is a thing for sure. HDR gaming lag will be an issue in the future with the 2016 LG OLEDs. Current games won't have these problems though.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Yeah. On paper, some of the LG OLEDs don't have the best lag numbers out there,but the 55E6 I have in my bedroom feels as responsive as any TV I've owned.
It actually doesn't seem like it'll be an issue.
I've loaded up HDR content on the OLED where you have full mouse control and the mouse feels very responsive. In comparison, when I attached the PC to my capture card, the mouse suffers horribly with input lag.
Yappadappadu
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In my case it doesn't. I notice the difference to my 22 ms Sony LED, but still good enough. I would be absolutely happy with a similar input lag of abt. 35 ms when gaming in HDR.
To be fair you also seem to be okay with the higher input lag (compared to the other 2016 OLEDs) of the B6, so maybe you're not as sensitive to it?
There's no issue with HDR input lag on 2016 OLEDs.
Time to stop spreading FUD, guys.
Yeah, I'm not horribly sensitive to it. There's a threshold for me where things become unresponsive.
Like, playing the PS1 version of Mega Man 3 on the Vita...that feels like absolutely trash.
Yappadappadu
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You're probably referring to avforums, but IMO it's too early to say that it's no issue. There is the report from a C6 owner that he definitely notices the difference, so more impressions and more importantly measurements are in order.There's no issue with HDR input lag on 2016 OLEDs.
Time to stop spreading FUD, guys.